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I concur, but if the same amount of work isn’t being accomplished, and the federal public servants numbers have increased in the last decade by about 40%, with most of that during the COVID years, and consultants have also taken over a chunk of their workload in order to have worse outcomes for those paying for this, maybe something different like going to work eight hours a day even three days/week might be something to try?
Why? Is it hard to dick around and waste time in the office?

I'm asking seriously. I've always had private offices with doors since the AF days.
 
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Why? Is it hard to dick around and waste time in the office?

I'm asking seriously. I've always had private offices with doors since the AF days.
Personally, and this is just my experience because I also happen to have a job where I could do much of what I do from home if I chose to do so…If I’m at the office, without the demands of home overlapping, I get much more done in a shorter amount of time…& what I could accomplish in the office in 8 hours might take me 12 or more at home…with not boundaries on my start/stop time from those that think my time is unlimited & my “cell# for emergencies” becomes my Line#2.
 
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Federal employees' unions say most civil servants oppose the planned reduction in telework and report struggles with transportation and work-family balance. Many also say they're more productive when they work from home.
If going to the office to work is so difficult, then quit your cushy job and go get a real job, where one is expected to show up on time, ready for work.
 

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That was only a decade to go for me. I hear you.
I spent last week working in Tofino. Does that count? Hey, does turdOWE count surfing in Tofino as work? And I spent last winter working in Vancouver on the Broadway subway. That is more remote from the real world than I care to get. That one at least was a good shift. 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off.
 
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Author of the article:Bryan Passifiume
Published Oct 11, 2024 • Last updated 2 days ago • 2 minute read

OTTAWA — What happens when you live a 20-minute drive from work but refuse to get your licence, hate taking the bus and love going to the gym?


When you’re a public servant with a mandate to only go into the office three days a week, you naturally apply for special dispensation to be excused from the government’s return-to-office mandate.

That was the tale that gripped Reddit’s home for Canadian public servants this week, after a user decided to air his grievances Thursday in a now-deleted post to /r/CanadaPublicServants.

“Though I live a 20-minute drive from my work office, I do not possess a driver’s licence and have no plans to ever get one,” wrote Reddit user Open_Caregiver_9130, who explained they live outside of the National Capital Region.

“It takes me an hour one way to get to the office via public transit, adding two hours of commuting to my day for three days of week we are required to go into the office.”



Having grown accustomed to working from home during the pandemic, public servants reacted with dismay after the government mandated workers a minimum of three days in the office starting Sept. 9 — a measure the unions have vowed to fight.

The user also expressed concern that no gym existed within walking distance of their office, and the government had no plans to provide access to one.

“I love my HQ team that I work with online from a region, but the commute and lack of concern for employees wellness and health at my office is not good for me. Is there anything I can do?” they concluded their message with.

“I repeatedly raise me issues with management and my colleagues on my team, but no accommodation offers have been provided.”



The post, which as of the time of its deletion featured zero upvotes, garnered a somewhat hostile response from fellow public servants.

“Your post is dripping with entitlement and I suspect you will delete it shortly,” wrote user HandcuffsOfGold, the subreddit’s moderator and a reliable voice of reason in the group.

“The inconvenience of an hour-long transit commute a lack of an on-site gym are not violations of your human rights that require your employer to provide ‘accommodations’.”

Open_Caregiver_9130 also seemed to think that since “willingness to travel” wasn’t a condition of their employment, that should be grounds to allow work from home.

“Bruh, that’s called ‘going to work'” one user responded incredulously.


“Come on…….you choose where to live, you choose not to get a license,” wrote another.

“Given everything you’ve listed there is no need for accommodation. Jeepers.”

The size of Canada’s public service swelled since the Trudeau Liberals took power, currently at a record high of nearly 368,000 employees.

That’s a 42% increase since 2015, while Canada’s population only grew by 14% over the same time period.

Polling conducted over the summer show a plurality of Canadians want to see the public service put in a crash diet, with 47% hoping to see public payrolls drastically reduced.

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Ooh I need your love babe,
Guess you know it's true.
Hope you need my love babe,
Just like I need you.
Hold me, love me, hold me, love me.
Ain't got nothin' but love babe,
Eight days a week.
Love you ev'ry day girl,
Always on my mind.
One thing I can say girl,
Love you all the time.
Hold me, love me, hold me, love me.
Ain't got nothin' but love babe,
Eight days a week.
Eight days a week
I love you.
Eight days a week
Is not enough to show I care.
Ooh I need your love babe, ...
Eight days a week ...
Love you ev'ry ...
Eight days a week. Eight days a week. Eight days a week.
 

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The public service has unquestionably ballooned under Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Official figures put the current federal workforce at almost 388,000, up from 257,000 when the Liberals took office. That’s 111,000 more people on the public payroll, a jump of 40 per cent. Canada’s population has grown just 15 per cent over the same period. Only Trudeau’s father, as prime minister 40 years ago, employed more bureaucrats per Canadian.

Costs have grown in tandem. While the Canadian Union of Public Employees disputes reports that public servants earn more on average than private-sector workers, benefits for government workers far outpace others.

Three times as many are covered by pensions than in the private sector; and while all but a few public pensions offer defined benefits, only a third of private pensions do. While generous pensions are a fading memory for most Canadians, Treasury Board President Anita Anand agreed this year to expand Ottawa’s plan to an even larger pool of civil servants.

Anyway….

There’s a wondrous circularity to the demand of federal public servants to work from the comfort of their homes rather than trudging into the offices around Ottawa that were built to house them.

Here’s the circle: COVID-19 came along and put huge demands on their services. The Trudeau government responded by hiring enormous numbers of new employees who were able, due to pandemic restrictions, to temporarily work from home. Now the virus is under control but the swollen numbers remain, and they don’t want to return to the office because, they claim, there’s not enough room available to accommodate them all.

Innocent observers might think that, with the emergency over, Ottawa no longer needs all those extra bodies it hired. Let the numbers decline back to pre-COVID levels and voila, problem solved. But innocent observers have obviously never run a union, or a government department, where the idea of reduced membership is about as popular as a case of shingles.

It’s a fundamental tenet of collective bargaining that a job, once created, never ceases to be necessary. So the current position of federal labour leaders is that demanding employees return to the office is both mischievous and cruel, and that working from home should henceforth be the rule rather than the exception.

So…

Public employees retire earlier, take more time off and are much harder to dismiss. While employee numbers in Ottawa have exploded, some of Canada’s biggest companies have been slashing staff to cope with financial pressures: more than 6,000 at BCE; 3,000 at TD Bank; an estimated 800 at Corus Entertainment; 650 at Enbridge; plus hundreds more at Canada Goose, Hudson’s Bay Co., Indigo Books & Music, Laurentian Bank and others. Even the CBC said it would cut 800 jobs despite its annual $1.3-billion public subsidy, until the Trudeau government kicked in an extra $96 million.

The federal payroll has been growing even as Canadian productivity declines. While careful not to place the blame on burgeoning government costs, Anand has announced — nine years into her government’s mandate — both a task force and a federal study into everything from the size and productivity of Ottawa’s workforce, to its use of technology.

In spite of their favoured position, federal employees have spent months campaigning against efforts to get them back into the office. The Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC), which represents 240,000 workers, went to court to challenge a directive requiring them to spend at least three days a week, instead of two, in the office. The Canadian Association of Professional Employees (CAPE), with 27,000 members, is demanding a parliamentary committee conduct a hearing into the order.

According to union leaders, federal workers are upset at just about everything to do with government employment if it involves a desk and chair outside the home. There’s not enough space, offices can be noisy, morale is low, commuting is upsetting, parking is difficult and expensive, and higher-ups don’t know what they’re doing.

CAPE president Nathan Prier said members have lost confidence in senior management and its “poorly designed, poorly implemented workplace policies.” The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission earned a blast from PSAC president Sharon DeSousa when it offered assigned office seating as a prize in a charity fundraiser. Union leaders vowed “a summer of discontent” when they first learned of the back-to-office order and have hardly quit complaining about Ottawa’s “anti-worker” attitude ever since.

Apart from the sense of wonderment it inspires, there’s a distinct feel of disconnect about the bureaucrats’ tirade. Their ultimate bosses, the federal Liberals, are under siege. Their popularity is in the tank, there are rumblings of a caucus revolt, cabinet ministers are quitting in bunches and the prime minister can’t go a day without being asked if he’s ever going to leave.

MPs’ own jobs are hanging by a thread and there could be an election soon, which could lead to a new government with a new prime minister whose message is all about controlling costs, downsizing government and getting “more for less.”

You’d think people who work for the government would be aware of these things. Maybe they need to spend more time in the office.
Then, on top of a 40% increase in staffing due to COVID that’s been over for years now…the 40% increase in staffing remained, & earlier this year, the Toronto Sun reported that while Canadians struggle with the ongoing cost-of-living crisis, public servants and employees of government agencies earned hundreds of millions of dollars in overtime????
“Taxpayers are paying through the nose because everywhere you look the size and cost of government is ballooning,” said Terrazzano.

“If any politician is serious about fixing the budget and cutting taxes, they will have to shrink Ottawa’s bloated bureaucracy.” You’d think (again) that these people complaining about having to go to the office three times a week years after Covid has ended….With the temporary “work from home during Covid thing” for social distancing years in the past now…(?)…that they would at least have a finger on the pulse of the rest of the nation?
 

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Author of the article:Bryan Passifiume
Published Oct 11, 2024 • Last updated 2 days ago • 2 minute read

OTTAWA — What happens when you live a 20-minute drive from work but refuse to get your licence, hate taking the bus and love going to the gym?


When you’re a public servant with a mandate to only go into the office three days a week, you naturally apply for special dispensation to be excused from the government’s return-to-office mandate.

That was the tale that gripped Reddit’s home for Canadian public servants this week, after a user decided to air his grievances Thursday in a now-deleted post to /r/CanadaPublicServants.

“Though I live a 20-minute drive from my work office, I do not possess a driver’s licence and have no plans to ever get one,” wrote Reddit user Open_Caregiver_9130, who explained they live outside of the National Capital Region.

“It takes me an hour one way to get to the office via public transit, adding two hours of commuting to my day for three days of week we are required to go into the office.”



Having grown accustomed to working from home during the pandemic, public servants reacted with dismay after the government mandated workers a minimum of three days in the office starting Sept. 9 — a measure the unions have vowed to fight.

The user also expressed concern that no gym existed within walking distance of their office, and the government had no plans to provide access to one.

“I love my HQ team that I work with online from a region, but the commute and lack of concern for employees wellness and health at my office is not good for me. Is there anything I can do?” they concluded their message with.

“I repeatedly raise me issues with management and my colleagues on my team, but no accommodation offers have been provided.”



The post, which as of the time of its deletion featured zero upvotes, garnered a somewhat hostile response from fellow public servants.

“Your post is dripping with entitlement and I suspect you will delete it shortly,” wrote user HandcuffsOfGold, the subreddit’s moderator and a reliable voice of reason in the group.

“The inconvenience of an hour-long transit commute a lack of an on-site gym are not violations of your human rights that require your employer to provide ‘accommodations’.”

Open_Caregiver_9130 also seemed to think that since “willingness to travel” wasn’t a condition of their employment, that should be grounds to allow work from home.

“Bruh, that’s called ‘going to work'” one user responded incredulously.


“Come on…….you choose where to live, you choose not to get a license,” wrote another.

“Given everything you’ve listed there is no need for accommodation. Jeepers.”

The size of Canada’s public service swelled since the Trudeau Liberals took power, currently at a record high of nearly 368,000 employees.

That’s a 42% increase since 2015, while Canada’s population only grew by 14% over the same time period.

Polling conducted over the summer show a plurality of Canadians want to see the public service put in a crash diet, with 47% hoping to see public payrolls drastically reduced.

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What a bunch of spoiled losers! OMG!! And one wonders why, when calling CRA, you can't get the information you want because they're working from home and can't access the information you want. It's stupifyingly stupid!!
 
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Why? Is it hard to dick around and waste time in the office?

I'm asking seriously. I've always had private offices with doors since the AF days.
We have been trying to clean up my dead sister-in-law's estate for almost two years. She wasn't rich; she was mentally ill with schizophrenia and living in Coquitlam when she got cancer. This isn't our first rodeo with a family estate, but this is the worst.

It's been tearing my poor wife to pieces, but both the BC government and the Federal governments, particularly the CRA, move like they are in the office 3 hours a week. We just want to be done because my mother-in-law is 97; sooner or later, we will have to do it again.
 

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We have been trying to clean up my dead sister-in-law's estate for almost two years. She wasn't rich; she was mentally ill with schizophrenia and living in Coquitlam when she got cancer. This isn't our first rodeo with a family estate, but this is the worst.

It's been tearing my poor wife to pieces, but both the BC government and the Federal governments, particularly the CRA, move like they are in the office 3 hours a week. We just want to be done because my mother-in-law is 97; sooner or later, we will have to do it again.
somehow I'm not surprised.
 

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One of the concerns the unions have flagged is that there won’t be enough space for everyone in the office, saying workers already struggle to find available desks and meeting rooms.

What did they do ‘pre-COVID’ which is years behind us anyway? I guess Trudeau did expand the public service dramatically while also farming much of their work out to consultants, lessening their workload from both directions, in order for government services to decline as dramatically for those attempting to use them.
Huh…& nine years into his term, with the Civil Service expanded what? 40+%-ish? To the point where there just isn’t the office space to have them even show up to work? Now what?
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The federal government has been looking for ways to tighten its budget and curb the size of the public service, which has swelled in recent years. Really? It has?

While the Liberal government has said it would do so through attrition and hiring freezes, cutting the jobs of permanent government employees “wasn’t” on the table….but…
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…But Canada’s biggest public sector union, the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC), says that no longer seems to be the case. Maybe budgets don’t balance themselves.

During a meeting on Thursday between Treasury Board officials and PSAC, the union said it was told the government will be “widening the net” to reduce its spending, looking to cut term and casual employees and “opening the door for departments to slash permanent employees” through layoffs.
Public service unions will start the week with an early-morning rally opposing the policy….but where? Is Monday one of the three days/week that they have to actually go to work?
The union said the Liberal government has assigned budget reduction targets “in salary line items” to federal departments. But it has not released those targets, claiming they were protected under Cabinet privilege and would only be made public in June 2025.

June 2025? Why June 2025? Jagmeet gets ‘his’ pension in February 2025 & the election can’t happen any later than October 20th 2025….or October 27th if the Liberals & NDP really wanna give the taxpayers one last hard thrust before they pull out? So why June 2025?

("The Liberal party's prospects are not that great. So, there's a high likelihood that many, if not all of these cabinet ministers could lose their seats if the polls hold until the next election," said Abacus Data's David Coletto)

Silas said the idea of cutting casual and term positions “is bad enough,” but the idea of cutting permanent positions is “shameful.” He said there was a lack of detail in the government’s presentation about the potential cuts, but that departments and agencies were coming up with their own plans and were “encouraged” to consult with unions, etc….

How many of these positions existed before Trudeau inflated the public sector by 40+%ish? Even factoring in an increase based upon a %’age of the population increase due to rampant uncontrolled immigration? Asking for a friend.

According to the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat, the size of the public service in 2024 is 367,772—up from 300,450 in 2020….& up from what in 2015?

In April, the federal government announced it would seek to cut the size of the public service by 5,000 full-time positions primarily through natural attrition over the course of four years (with the last three of them with the Liberals as the opposition), & maybe not even the official opposition, as part of an effort to save $15.8 billion over five years and reallocate it elsewhere?
I concur, but if the same amount of work isn’t being accomplished, and the federal public servants numbers have increased in the last decade by about 40%, with most of that during the COVID years, and consultants have also taken over a significant chunk of their workload in order to have worse outcomes for those paying for this, maybe something different like going to work eight hours a day even three days/week might be something to try?
In February, Treasury Board President Anita Anand told the Ottawa Citizen that there should be little impact to public-service jobs as part of the spending review, though some departments may undergo workforce changes because of redeployment to higher-priority activities or attrition.

Anita Anand is the Treasury Board President? I thought she was foreign affairs (before Joly got that) or Head of the Ministry of National Defence (before Bill Blair got that)? I think I’m a couple of musical chairs cabinet shuffles behind….

“That is not the goal of this exercise,” Anand said at the time, adding that decisions would lie with deputy ministers of each ministry before they’re shuffled again next and that government was somewhat “circumscribed by what statutes mandate.”

The minister was not available for an interview on Friday…’cuz nobody is sure who it is at this point since that last Shuffle? When’s the next one?

A government source who was not authorized to speak on the matter (= the officially unofficially sanctioned announcement to test the waters) said there seems to be a different approach within federal departments and agencies on where to find budget reductions???
Federal cabinet ministers Filomena Tassi, Carla Qualtrough, and Dan Vandal announced Thursday they will not run for re-election.
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Senior government sources tell CTV News at least one other – Marie-Claude Bibeau – doesn't plan to run again, setting the stage for Justin Trudeau to shuffle his cabinet in the coming weeks.😳

Anticipating a larger rearrangement of the Liberal front bench this fall, two weeks ago CTV News surveyed all cabinet ministers about their plans for the next federal election.

Every office responded saying that their minister intended to run again – including Tassi, Qualtrough, and Vandal's offices, but that’s sooo two weeks ago.

P.S. Anita Anand is the Minister of Transportation this week, since September of 2024, so for the last month or two now, so far…
 

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Huh…& nine years into his term, with the Civil Service expanded what? 40+%-ish? To the point where there just isn’t the office space to have them even show up to work? Now what?
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The federal government has been looking for ways to tighten its budget and curb the size of the public service, which has swelled in recent years. Really? It has?

While the Liberal government has said it would do so through attrition and hiring freezes, cutting the jobs of permanent government employees “wasn’t” on the table….but…
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…But Canada’s biggest public sector union, the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC), says that no longer seems to be the case. Maybe budgets don’t balance themselves.

During a meeting on Thursday between Treasury Board officials and PSAC, the union said it was told the government will be “widening the net” to reduce its spending, looking to cut term and casual employees and “opening the door for departments to slash permanent employees” through layoffs.

The union said the Liberal government has assigned budget reduction targets “in salary line items” to federal departments. But it has not released those targets, claiming they were protected under Cabinet privilege and would only be made public in June 2025.

June 2025? Why June 2025? Jagmeet gets ‘his’ pension in February 2025 & the election can’t happen any later than October 20th 2025….or October 27th if the Liberals & NDP really wanna give the taxpayers one last hard thrust before they pull out? So why June 2025?

("The Liberal party's prospects are not that great. So, there's a high likelihood that many, if not all of these cabinet ministers could lose their seats if the polls hold until the next election," said Abacus Data's David Coletto)

Silas said the idea of cutting casual and term positions “is bad enough,” but the idea of cutting permanent positions is “shameful.” He said there was a lack of detail in the government’s presentation about the potential cuts, but that departments and agencies were coming up with their own plans and were “encouraged” to consult with unions, etc….

How many of these positions existed before Trudeau inflated the public sector by 40+%ish? Even factoring in an increase based upon a %’age of the population increase due to rampant uncontrolled immigration? Asking for a friend.

According to the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat, the size of the public service in 2024 is 367,772—up from 300,450 in 2020….& up from what in 2015?

In April, the federal government announced it would seek to cut the size of the public service by 5,000 full-time positions primarily through natural attrition over the course of four years (with the last three of them with the Liberals as the opposition), & maybe not even the official opposition, as part of an effort to save $15.8 billion over five years and reallocate it elsewhere?

In February, Treasury Board President Anita Anand told the Ottawa Citizen that there should be little impact to public-service jobs as part of the spending review, though some departments may undergo workforce changes because of redeployment to higher-priority activities or attrition.

Anita Anand is the Treasury Board President? I thought she was foreign affairs (before Joly got that) or Head of the Ministry of National Defence (before Bill Blair got that)? I think I’m a couple of musical chairs cabinet shuffles behind….

“That is not the goal of this exercise,” Anand said at the time, adding that decisions would lie with deputy ministers of each ministry before they’re shuffled again next and that government was somewhat “circumscribed by what statutes mandate.”

The minister was not available for an interview on Friday…’cuz nobody is sure who it is at this point since that last Shuffle? When’s the next one?

A government source who was not authorized to speak on the matter (= the officially unofficially sanctioned announcement to test the waters) said there seems to be a different approach within federal departments and agencies on where to find budget reductions???
Federal cabinet ministers Filomena Tassi, Carla Qualtrough, and Dan Vandal announced Thursday they will not run for re-election.
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Senior government sources tell CTV News at least one other – Marie-Claude Bibeau – doesn't plan to run again, setting the stage for Justin Trudeau to shuffle his cabinet in the coming weeks.😳

Anticipating a larger rearrangement of the Liberal front bench this fall, two weeks ago CTV News surveyed all cabinet ministers about their plans for the next federal election.

Every office responded saying that their minister intended to run again – including Tassi, Qualtrough, and Vandal's offices, but that’s sooo two weeks ago.

P.S. Anita Anand is the Minister of Transportation this week, since September of 2024, so for the last month or two now, so far…
Yup . It is easy spending free money .
 

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Anita Anand is the Treasury Board President? I thought she was foreign affairs (before Joly got that) or Head of the Ministry of National Defence (before Bill Blair got that)? I think I’m a couple of musical chairs cabinet shuffles behind….
The minister was not available for an interview on Friday…’cuz nobody is sure who it is at this point since that last Shuffle? When’s the next one?
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Anticipating a larger rearrangement of the Liberal front bench this fall, two weeks ago CTV News surveyed all cabinet ministers about their plans for the next federal election.

Every office responded saying that their minister intended to run again – including Tassi, Qualtrough, and Vandal's offices, but that’s sooo two weeks ago.
I think Trudeau should eject “Randy” from his Cabinet, & replace him with “Other Randy!” as he’s my favourite Randy.
 
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I think Trudeau should eject “Randy” from his Cabinet, & replace him with “Other Randy!” as he’s my favourite Randy.
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