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[Serryah]

Yes, we should all take on new identities and pronouns to accommodate how someone else feels.

Are you male or female?

How do you know?

If we cut "parts" off of you (if you claim you are only whatever gender because of your parts), are you still male/female?

That IS what you want, right? That's how it'll work?

No?

You're right. Doesn't matter the answers to those questions, you're... whatever I say you are, because your gender is how you "feel" and I don't need to pay attention to how you "feel".

Except Gender is NOT about "feelings". When people say they "feel" a gender, it's because that's the only word that fits how to describe it, other than "I AM" (and regardless of feelings or claim, people like you STILL deny the person their gender).

But hey, if you get to deny me or anyone else our gender status based on your ignorance to reality...

You're not the gender you are, because *I* say you're not, and your reality doesn't matter, only mine does.

You're male? Nah, you're not. And your "wife"? Not female.

Because I say so.

And doesn't matter what YOU say on the matter.

(now imagine a majority of society agreeing with that, and following that idea, I guarantee any "it doesn't bother me" attitude you have would fade away VERY fast)

Oh, and if you bring up "Gender is based on Chromosomes" - then are you now going to advocate that every infant born be checked for their Chromosomes immediately? Yes? Well then, add that to the list of health care that Government covers. But okay, what do we call XXY, XYX, YYX, YXX , YYX and anyone other than XX or XY?

You CANNOT force gender. Can't.

THAT has been proven.

You can deny it, you can ignore it, you can get confused by it, you can lack understanding of it, you can be lost by the complexity of it.

You CANNOT force it.

Yes, if you're male, you're male. If you're female, you're female. But if you're a trans female, you are STILL female, you're just trans. And if you're a trans male, you're STILL male, you're just trans.

There are two genders. And everyone is one or the other. Gender has nothing to do with it.

WTEverlovingF does THAT mean?

There are two genders but gender has nothing to do with it? That makes NO sense.

What is the "it" you are suggesting here?

 

[petros]

If my dick and balls were cut off, I'd still rely on logic and think geometrically.

Non binary makes no sense. Women dont think logically or geometrically one day and emotionally the next. Thats fucking bullshit.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Are you male or female?

Male.

How do you know?

When I take a piss, I know.

If we cut "parts" off of you (if you claim you are only whatever gender because of your parts), are you still male/female?\

Yes. If you cut off my dick, I am still a male. Who are we, by the way? Is there some subculture of people going around cutting off peoples genitals.

That IS what you want, right? That's how it'll work?

What IS what I want? WTF are you talking about. Take a breath.

No?

See above.

You're right. Doesn't matter the answers to those questions, you're... whatever I say you are, because your gender is how you "feel" and I don't need to pay attention to how you "feel".

I'm not making my gender an issue. I am a biological male. Next?

Except Gender is NOT about "feelings". When people say they "feel" a gender, it's because that's the only word that fits how to describe it, other than "I AM" (and regardless of feelings or claim, people like you STILL deny the person their gender).

I'm denying them their gender? I'm saying that they don't get to force me how to think, and that's the be-all and end-all.

But hey, if you get to deny me or anyone else our gender status based on your ignorance to reality...

You're not the gender you are, because *I* say you're not, and your reality doesn't matter, only mine does.

Now you're sort of getting it. I am not telling you how to think; that is up to you. You just don't get to tell me how to think. It's a two-way street. IT's the whole, "Here are my pronouns you will address me as...

You're male? Nah, you're not. And your "wife"? Not female.

Because I say so.

And doesn't matter what YOU say on the matter.

I know that's what you keep saying. If you think I'm a shrubbery and my wife is an eggplant, I don't care because I know you are mentally ill and I live in this place called reality.

You CANNOT force gender. Can't.

THAT has been proven.

You can deny it, you can ignore it, you can get confused by it, you can lack understanding of it, you can be lost by the complexity of it.

You CANNOT force it.

Yet, morons are trying to do just that to pre-pubscent kids by brainwashing them and giving them puberty blockers. Can you give me an Amen, brothers and sisters?

Yes, if you're male, you're male. If you're female, you're female. But if you're a trans female, you are STILL female, you're just trans. And if you're a trans male, you're STILL male, you're just trans.

I am not a number! I am a free man!

What is the "it" you are suggesting here?

I always suggest a doobie. It calms things down.

 

[Serryah]

Male.

No you're not.

When I take a piss, I know.

Your piss is a different color? Texture? Something about it not the same as a woman?

Yes. If you cut off my dick, I am still a male.

No, you're not. A dickless man is not a man. (or they aren't according to some people and funnily enough, they're all like you; hateful bigots.)

What IS what I want? WTF are you talking about. Take a breath.

You want gender to mean a certain thing that YOU decide.

I'm not making my gender an issue.

You're making gender as a whole an issue.

I am a biological male.

No, you're not.

I'm denying them their gender?

You are. When you tell a trans person they are not the gender they say they are, you deny their gender.

Didn't know that concept was so hard for you to understand; you certainly find it easy to say often enough.

I'm saying that they don't get to force me how to think, and that's the be-all and end-all.

Okay, and you don't get to force anyone else how to think.

Now you're sort of getting it. I am not telling you how to think;

Yes, you are. You keep saying that a trans person's gender is not real.

That's telling me - or others - what to think.

You just don't get to tell me how to think.

If you don't want to think a trans person is the gender they claim, that's one thing.

Not respecting their request to be called the gender they are is a whole other issue. THAT is the general problem with people like you.

It's a two-way street. IT's the whole, "Here are my pronouns you will address me as...

Exactly. Here are my pronouns, address me as this out of the respect of me being a person.

If you don't want to be respectful to others, then don't get your panties in a knot when people get pissed back at you for your being an asshole to them.

I know that's what you keep saying. If you think I'm a shrubbery and my wife is an eggplant, I don't care

You don't care, until you do.

because I know you are mentally ill and I live in this place called reality.

See? Already you're "upset" by the idea that you aren't male and your wife is not female.

I'm mentally ill? Rather, YOU are the mentally ill one. I mean, you're the one claiming your wife is an eggplant, and you a shrubbery.

I at least keep things to still being 'human'.

And you're not male, your wife isn't female and your "feelings" about your and her's gender don't matter. Only I am right, because that's how you want things to be.

Yet, morons are trying to do just that to pre-pubscent kids by brainwashing them and giving them puberty blockers.

Yes, yes, keep saying that and maybe one day it'll be true if you believe it hard enough. Until then, the reality is... not that at all. So, keep lyin', sweet cheeks.

Blockers are, btw, best practice for medical care to dysphoric patients. So are you now going to claim to be a doctor and deny patients their medical care?

Sure then, perhaps we should start denying YOU any medical care YOU need.

I am not a number! I am a free man!

You are whatever the hell someone else says you are, because what YOU want doesn't matter

I always suggest a doobie. It calms things down.

It certainly doesn't work for you so... maybe you need a new type to indulge in.

 

[petros]

No you're not.



Your piss is a different color? Texture? Something about it not the same as a woman?



No, you're not. A dickless man is not a man. (or they aren't according to some people and funnily enough, they're all like you; hateful bigots.)



You want gender to mean a certain thing that YOU decide.



You're making gender as a whole an issue.



No, you're not.



You are. When you tell a trans person they are not the gender they say they are, you deny their gender.

Didn't know that concept was so hard for you to understand; you certainly find it easy to say often enough.



Okay, and you don't get to force anyone else how to think.



Yes, you are. You keep saying that a trans person's gender is not real.

That's telling me - or others - what to think.



If you don't want to think a trans person is the gender they claim, that's one thing.

Not respecting their request to be called the gender they are is a whole other issue. THAT is the general problem with people like you.



Exactly. Here are my pronouns, address me as this out of the respect of me being a person.

If you don't want to be respectful to others, then don't get your panties in a knot when people get pissed back at you for your being an asshole to them.



You don't care, until you do.



See? Already you're "upset" by the idea that you aren't male and your wife is not female.

I'm mentally ill? Rather, YOU are the mentally ill one. I mean, you're the one claiming your wife is an eggplant, and you a shrubbery.

I at least keep things to still being 'human'.

And you're not male, your wife isn't female and your "feelings" about your and her's gender don't matter. Only I am right, because that's how you want things to be.



Yes, yes, keep saying that and maybe one day it'll be true if you believe it hard enough. Until then, the reality is... not that at all. So, keep lyin', sweet cheeks.

Blockers are, btw, best practice for medical care to dysphoric patients. So are you now going to claim to be a doctor and deny patients their medical care?

Sure then, perhaps we should start denying YOU any medical care YOU need.



You are whatever the hell someone else says you are, because what YOU want doesn't matter



It certainly doesn't work for you so... maybe you need a new type to indulge in.

Get help.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

No you're not.



Your piss is a different color? Texture? Something about it not the same as a woman?



No, you're not. A dickless man is not a man. (or they aren't according to some people and funnily enough, they're all like you; hateful bigots.)



You want gender to mean a certain thing that YOU decide.



You're making gender as a whole an issue.



No, you're not.



You are. When you tell a trans person they are not the gender they say they are, you deny their gender.

Didn't know that concept was so hard for you to understand; you certainly find it easy to say often enough.



Okay, and you don't get to force anyone else how to think.



Yes, you are. You keep saying that a trans person's gender is not real.

That's telling me - or others - what to think.



If you don't want to think a trans person is the gender they claim, that's one thing.

Not respecting their request to be called the gender they are is a whole other issue. THAT is the general problem with people like you.



Exactly. Here are my pronouns, address me as this out of the respect of me being a person.

If you don't want to be respectful to others, then don't get your panties in a knot when people get pissed back at you for your being an asshole to them.



You don't care, until you do.



See? Already you're "upset" by the idea that you aren't male and your wife is not female.

I'm mentally ill? Rather, YOU are the mentally ill one. I mean, you're the one claiming your wife is an eggplant, and you a shrubbery.

I at least keep things to still being 'human'.

And you're not male, your wife isn't female and your "feelings" about your and her's gender don't matter. Only I am right, because that's how you want things to be.



Yes, yes, keep saying that and maybe one day it'll be true if you believe it hard enough. Until then, the reality is... not that at all. So, keep lyin', sweet cheeks.

Blockers are, btw, best practice for medical care to dysphoric patients. So are you now going to claim to be a doctor and deny patients their medical care?

Sure then, perhaps we should start denying YOU any medical care YOU need.



You are whatever the hell someone else says you are, because what YOU want doesn't matter



It certainly doesn't work for you so... maybe you need a new type to indulge in.

Nope, I don't care, I never cared if people thought I was male or not.
I know who I am, I'm not the one making demands.

 

[harrylee]

Get help.

Male, female, mentally ill.......

 

[Serryah]

Nope, I don't care,

Yes, you do. Else you wouldn't give a damn what someone's gender is.

I never cared if people thought I was male or not.

But you care if OTHER people are male or not?

I know who I am, I'm not the one making demands.

So you don't give a damn if you're misgendered then?

If you do give a damn, then yes, you ARE "making demands"; you're demanding people recognize you as the gender YOU think you are.

Just like trans people.

Guess you've got a lot more in common with them than you thought, eh?

 

[petros]

So you don't give a damn if you're misgendered then?

How the Hell would that ever happen?

 

[Ron in Regina]

So you don't give a damn if you're misgendered then?

How the Hell would that ever happen?

Happens to me all the time.

Especially when I shave off my lady-goat.

 

[petros]

Happens to me all the time.
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Especially when I shave off my lady-goat.

Not even with her hat on.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yes, you do. Else you wouldn't give a damn what someone's gender is.

I didn't and don't, in fact I didn't think about it until it started being stuck in my face everywhere I turned.

But you care if OTHER people are male or not?

You're either misinterpreting what I said or ignoring it. But for the sake of discussion, I'll repeat myself. I don't care what anybody identifies as, just like I don't care if somebody believes in god. Show me a trans person identifying as a woman, and I will not look at them as a woman. I will look at Trans people the same way I always looked at them: as an individual who is not comfortable in their skin; therefore, they endeavor to be something else. It's not ignorance or bigotry; it's not phobia. Gay men are attracted to the sex they were born into, but their gender is still male. Why? If they feel the need to engage with the same sex do we not call them women. Because biology and common sense state they are that gender.

So you don't give a damn if you're misgendered then?

The only people I see screaming about being misgendered are the "KARENS" of the trans community with their faux outrage in restaurants and victim mentality. To which I say, Get a life; you are not the center of the universe.

If you do give a damn, then yes, you ARE "making demands"; you're demanding people recognize you as the gender YOU think you are.

Just like trans people.

Guess you've got a lot more in common with them than you thought, eh?

Holy shit, do you write speeches for Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland?

 

[Jinentonix]

 

[Serryah]

I didn't and don't, in fact I didn't think about it until it started being stuck in my face everywhere I turned.

You do and you have. The only reason it might be "stuck in your face" is you decided to be a total asshole to a trans person and they corrected your ignorant ass.

You're either misinterpreting what I said or ignoring it.

Not likely.

But for the sake of discussion, I'll repeat myself. I don't care what anybody identifies as,

Yes, you do. You absolutely do. Else you wouldn't be this pissed about it continually.

just like I don't care if somebody believes in god. Show me a trans person identifying as a woman, and I will not look at them as a woman.

And you just proved you DO care. Because you will not look at a trans person as the gender they are. And it bothers you enough that you deny that person their gender.

Funny though, you bring up trans women...

No comment about trans men?

Is that your misogyny peeking through?

I will look at Trans people the same way I always looked at them: as an individual who is not comfortable in their skin; therefore, they endeavor to be something else.

"Be"? No, they ARE.

Just like you say you "are" a male.

Even though I say you aren't, because you don't get to tell me your gender, only I get to decide that (like you decide the gender for trans people). And your gender isn't male.

But otherwise - yeah, trans people are "not comfortable in their skin"... that's it... that's all it is... (and since you're an idiot, that's heavy sarcasm)

It's not ignorance or bigotry;

It is absolute ignorance when you're informed on the issue, or on the status of the person, and choose to ignore it.

it's not phobia.

It is, because when it comes to transphobia, it's not just fear - it's hatred, mistrust, aversion to trans people.

And you show that constantly.

So yes, you're absolutely phobic.

Gay men are attracted to the sex they were born into, but their gender is still male.

... well I'm glad you know that much?

Why?

Because they're gay and they are in agreement with the gender they are and their attraction is to the same gender...?

If they feel the need to engage with the same sex do we not call them women.

Because they're not women, they're men. Their gender is the same as the sexual attraction they have.

Because biology and common sense state they are that gender.

Funny you bring "Biology" and "Common sense" into it when you have neither common sense, nor understanding of, or desire to admit, that biology also states that people who are trans are in fact who they say they are.

And all that... whatever the fuck that was about your gay man bit... has nothing to do with trans people what so ever and their gender status.

The only people I see screaming about being misgendered are the "KARENS" of the trans community

Wow... you really show you ignorance there too.

with their faux outrage in restaurants and victim mentality.

When someone misgenders you, yeah, you are a victim. A victim of ignorance, of bigotry and just plain old human assholery.

It's not "faux outrage"; denial of the person you are is serious, but not like you give a damn either way to that, right?

You're just happy as a pig in shit with your bigotry and phobia of trans people.

To which I say, Get a life; you are not the center of the universe.

Yes, YOU should get a life, and while you're at it, learn some decency.


In the end, Missy, you are the one causing this to be "shoved in your face". Don't want to have trans people be who they are? Go to an island, seclude your pussy ass self and live out "your reality" there. Trans people are out and loud about who they are because sub-human pieces of shit like you continually tell them they are sick, they deserve to die, they are delusional and all the other bullshit that goes with it. If you would just shut up and go about YOUR life, and get others who think and act like you to do the same, trans people wouldn't need to be as obnoxious and idiotic as they can be.

 

[Serryah]

Definition of PREJUDICE

injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims; preconceived judgment or opinion; an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[pgs]

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Definition of PREJUDICE

injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims; preconceived judgment or opinion; an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Nice quote . You should look in a mirror and think about it .

 

[Jinentonix]

If you would just shut up and go about YOUR life, and get others who think and act like you to do the same, trans people wouldn't need to be as obnoxious and idiotic as they can be.

They wouldn't need to be, but they still would be. Being an obnoxious, idiotic fuck is a trait, not a "feeling".

 

[harrylee]

Serryah said:
If you would just shut up and go about YOUR life, and get others who think and act like you to do the same, trans people wouldn't need to be as obnoxious and idiotic as they can be.

Yep, we should ALL do that, trans people included.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Serryah said:
If you would just shut up and go about YOUR life, and get others who think and act like you to do the same, trans people wouldn't need to be as obnoxious and idiotic as they can be.

Yep, we should ALL do that, trans people included.

I urge you to go with that noble sentiment!

 

[petros]

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Trans people in British Columbia have:

The right to advertise our own sexual services online or anywhere else. However, web pages and print magazines that carry our ads may face charges.
The right for our partners and anyone else in a ‘legitimate living arrangement’ to benefit financially from our sexual services, provided the relationships are not exploitive. However, you should be aware that the term ‘legitimate living arrangement’ has not yet been defined in law. Also, most work relationships between sex workers and others who benefit from their work are currently criminalized.
When seeking support, the right to access gendered spaces that correspond with our felt gender identity, regardless of our anatomy.
Unfortunately, the right to receive gendered services and participate in gender-based activities has one exception. A transphobic court case decided that if the organization offering the service is a non-profit organization whose primary purpose is to serve women, it is allowed to discriminate against trans women. That said, many women’s organizations welcome and include trans women.
The right not to be harassed, targeted, arrested, or intimidated by police for doing sex work.
The right to privacy in our home from the police. Generally, we do not need to answer the door if the police come to our home. There are exceptions. You must answer the door when police come to your home if:
They have a warrant (check that the address and date on the warrant are correct).
We have conditions in a bail or probation order.
They are chasing someone who has run into the building.
They are trying to help someone who is in immediate danger.
They believe evidence of a crime is being destroyed.
The right to keep our identity private from the police. Officers do not have the right to know our identity unless they have reasonable suspicion that we have committed a crime.
In this case, they are entitled to our name, address, and birthdate. There is no general requirement to carry identification papers with us, so we don’t have to show them identification unless you are driving a car.
Protection from search and seizure. This means unless we are detained or arrested, we do not have to let police search our body or possessions (including our car). An exception to this rule exists when crossing the border into Canada.
The right to be referred to by the name and pronouns that we use.
The right to have our concerns taken seriously when we report a crime.
The right to turn to the police for help. The priority of the police is to ensure the safety and security of everyone, including sex workers.
The right to have all reports of violence against us treated as serious criminal matters by the police.
If you are a sex worker, it is illegal to:
Communicate for the sale of sexual services in a public place, or any place that is open to public view, that is or is next to school grounds, playgrounds, or daycare centres.
The communicating law puts those of us who work outside at the greatest risk of arrest.
Stop or attempt to stop a vehicle, impede pedestrian or car traffic, or impede an entrance/exit to a venue for purposes of sex work.