Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

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The NDP in Saskatchewan and Alberta have joined together to announce they do not support a recent private member’s bill from a federal NDP Member of Parliament on restricting advertising from big oil companies.

The bill was introduced by Ontario MP Charlie Angus last week to “stop the misleading advertising and promotion of fossil fuels in Canada,” according to an announcement from the federal party.

The would-be law, Bill C-372.
Ive heard of hydrocarbons but what are "fossil fuels"? I have a tonne of fossils but none will burn. Ive never heard of or seen a fluid or gas permineralize and as far as I know it is impossible.
 
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Ron in Regina

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It’s clear the carbon tax is driving up the price of gas, groceries, and home heating during a cost-of-living crisis.

Manitobans are struggling to make food budgets and dealing with an affordability crisis.

The federal government is unfairly exempting home heating oil from the carbon tax for three years for the Atlantic provinces and leaving the prairies to face high heating bills.

The Liberal NDP government is looking out for their political interest. We need to ensure we are looking out for Manitobans and those putting food on the table, small business. Enough is enough, axe the tax. I hear you Canadian Federation of independent business and stand with you!
 
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The Liberals clearly think they're on a winner, tying the need for more tax revenue to the allegedly salutary goal of reducing carbon emissions.

Don't seem to be working too well, by the polls. Guess we'll see in a year and a half or so.

Just remember. . . in any tax code more than ten pages long, the excess heavily favors the rich.
 

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Wife and I live on our pensions. not a whole lot. We file our taxes together. This last year she has got 4 checks for a total of just over $800 climate incentive. Not sure if that puts us ahead of the game or not.
That said, it is still a scam for the working person.
 

Ron in Regina

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According to Abacus Data, 44 per cent of Canadians have a negative view of the carbon tax and only 36 per cent have a positive opinion. When it comes to the rebates (= a portion returned due to overpayment) for the carbon tax, only 48 per cent of eligible Canadians understood that the Climate Action Incentive Payment was even related to the carbon tax (vaguely, in name only, in a wealth distribution sort’a way, anyway). The rebate will now be dubbed the Canada Carbon Rebate, in an attempt to drive that point home??

Most disturbingly for the Liberals, the same poll showed that 12 per cent of 2021 Liberal voters won’t be voting for the Liberal party again because of the carbon tax and one in four Canadians cite the carbon tax as the reason they won’t be casting a ballot for a Liberal candidate. The rest of us won’t be voting Liberal due to a combination of factors, not exclusively related to the carbon tax.
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The Liberal government “may” have had some recent polling in mind when it decided to rebrand its carbon tax rebate last week…because when many people have to choose between rent and food, it’s definitely gotta be a branding issue???

But will the rebrand change the way Canadians think about the carbon tax rebate, or the policy as a whole? Marketing professionals are skeptical.
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When Labour Minister Seamus O’Regan announced the rebrand last week, he said the government was trying to make the policy easier to understand for Canadians. Still, another consequence of the name change is the separation from the political backlash that has been focused on the carbon tax.

“Maybe it (the rebrand) helps a bit, but part of the problem is that it’s been branded the carbon tax and the carbon tax rebate (in political discourse) and it will be pretty hard for the government to break away from that,” said Andrew Enns, an executive vice president at Leger polling firm.
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“People hate the carbon tax because 60 per cent pay more into it than they get back in his phoney rebates. Today, he announced a costly rebranding of the hated carbon tax,” said Poilievre when the change was announced.

“We did some polling in September for the National Post. We found that 68 per cent don’t want to pay more for gas,” he said, & 32% where either diehard Liberals or didn’t understand the question???

“This notion that it’s responsible for increased cost of gasoline (and diesel, and anything moved unit diesel, & propane, and natural gas, etc….) and other goods that move with gasoline — for a lot of Canadians they’re tired of paying more.”

“It seems pretty clear that (the rebrand) was a deer caught in the headlights sort of reaction and the solution is very surface level,” Steck said. “They should have asked Canadians what would have been more intuitive to them instead of dictating something that clearly fell short” but that’s the Liberal way for at least the last majority of a decade.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Still a month away from April Fools Day.
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On the latest Enbridge gas bill you can see how we are paying more for fees now than for the actual gas. One example of a recent gas bill shows a $22.88 customer charge, $28.74 delivery charge, $12.33 for transportation to Enbridge, $4.25 cost adjustment, a “federal carbon charge” of $32.21, and don’t forget $17.03 for HST.

The actual gas supply portion of the bill was $30.57, which means out of a $148.01 bill, almost $118 of it is for fees and taxes.
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For those that point out that the carbon tax(s) are only $X/litre of gasoline are missing out on so much the picture…& Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax — increasing by 23% on April 1…well, is it helping with affordability of just living day to day?
“Canada’s own emissions (1.5% of the global total) are not large enough to materially impact climate change. Consequently, Canada’s primary means of limiting the economic costs of climate change are through participation in a globally coordinated emissions reduction regime.”

Trudeau’s carbon tax will increase to $80 per tonne of emissions on April 1, up from $65 per tonne, on its way to $170 per tonne in 2030. The cost of natural gas, widely used for home heating in Canada, will increase by 15.25 cents per cubic metre, up from 12.39 cents per cubic metre, on its way to 32.4 cents per cubic metre in 2030. “How Dare We Heat Our Homes In Canada, In the Winter!
To reverse plummeting support for the carbon tax, the Liberal/NDP feds changed the name of their rebates from the Climate Action Incentive Payment to the Canada Carbon Rebate. There is no tax relief, just a new name for the rebates.

It seems the government thinks the rubes just don’t understand how thankful we should be, how good we’ve got it and the infinite wisdom of our wise leaders in Ottawa.

People in Saskatchewan will no longer get a carbon rebate, he said, because it’s difficult to provide rebates when no money is being collected.

“They will no longer get the rebate,” Wilkinson (Justin Trudeau’s Federal Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson) said.

Dustin Duncan, the minister responsible for SaskEnergy, said the province decided not to remit (the carbon tax’s just on home heating) out of fairness, pointing to a decision Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made when Ottawa exempted home heating oil from the carbon charge, a move that largely benefits Atlantic Canadians.

Moe (Saskatchewan’s Premier Scott Moe) said while the province’s natural gas utility, SaskEnergy, has stopped remitting the federal charge, residents are still paying it on gasoline, diesel, propane and all other goods.

People in Saskatchewan will no longer get a carbon rebate, he said, because it’s difficult to provide rebates when no (?) money is being collected (?) says Justin Trudeau’s Federal Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson.

“If the (federal) government follows through on this threat, they will once again be penalizing Saskatchewan families for wanting to be treated the same as other Canadians,” Moe wrote on the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

“If Saskatchewan people stop getting the rebate entirely, Saskatchewan should stop paying the carbon tax entirely,” said Moe.

Dustin Duncan, the minister responsible for SaskEnergy, said the provincial government recognizes there may be consequences.

Dustin Duncan told reporters in Ottawa the province decided not to remit out of fairness, pointing to a decision Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made when Ottawa exempted home heating oil from the carbon charge, a move that largely benefits Atlantic Canadians.
“Our view is that if the prime minister thought that a reduction in the carbon tax and a reduction in the rebate for Atlantic Canadians meant that would be a net positive in terms of affordability for those residents, surely the economics should hold true for Saskatchewan.” Right?
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Moe said Atlantic Canadians are still getting rebates even though those who use home heating oil aren’t paying the levies.

Trudeau said Thursday the three-year exemption (for Atlantic Canada) is meant to help (boost his failing polls in Atlantic Canada, &) those who use home-heating oil to upgrade to heat pumps, which pollute less.

“Yes, proportionately there’s a lot in Atlantic Canada, but they’re right across the country (in tiny-tiny amounts),” he said. “This isn’t a program for one part of the country versus others.”
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Ron in Regina

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Shouldn't be a problem. They give the rebate to people that don't own a vehicle if their income is low enough.
Punchline is…SK people are still paying the Carbon Taxes on everything else except home heating as of January…so it’s not like they’re not paying any carbon taxes…

The Maritimes with their home heating exemption…are they still getting a rebate on the other carbon taxes they’re paying?

(Personally, I’ve never received one of these Justin Cheques myself)
 

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People in Saskatchewan will no longer get a carbon rebate, he said, because it’s difficult to provide rebates when no money is being collected.
…but that’s soooo before the weekend…
“They will no longer get the rebate,” Wilkinson (Justin Trudeau’s Federal Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson) said.
That’s a quote. It’s what Wilkinson said.

Federal Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson said last week that Ottawa will no longer be giving the rebates to Saskatchewan residents because Premier Scott Moe's government is refusing to remit the federal levy on natural gas.
Dustin Duncan, the minister responsible for SaskEnergy, said the province decided not to remit (the carbon tax’s just on home heating) out of fairness, pointing to a decision Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made when Ottawa exempted home heating oil from the carbon charge, a move that largely benefits Atlantic Canadians.
"They will no longer get the rebate," Wilkinson said.
Even a CBC quote…
Moe (Saskatchewan’s Premier Scott Moe) said while the province’s natural gas utility, SaskEnergy, has stopped remitting the federal charge, residents are still paying it on gasoline, diesel, propane and all other goods.
Good point. Argue that one? If “no soup for you!” then why provide the ingredients for the soup?
People in Saskatchewan will no longer get a carbon rebate, he said, because it’s difficult to provide rebates when no (?) money is being collected (?) says Justin Trudeau’s Federal Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson.
I’m not thinking Wilkinson has thought that one through, & he’s not use to someone standing up to him, or his edicts. How could someone possibly question his authority?
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“If the (federal) government follows through on this threat, they will once again be penalizing Saskatchewan families for wanting to be treated the same as other Canadians,” Moe wrote on the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.
Sort’a like how the Maritimes, where the Liberals ‘might’ win back some seats are treated?
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“If Saskatchewan people stop getting the rebate entirely, Saskatchewan should stop paying the carbon tax entirely,” said Moe.
Uh-oh….spaghettiOs? What now? House of cards, gust of wind? Whoopsies?
Better attack the messenger because he sure as hell can’t attack the message. Not logically and without outright mis truths.

Asked about concerns that some Saskatchewan households will be losing out financially if no rebates come, the premier questioned “is it about emissions or is it about wealth redistribution?”

“They’re going to pay less tax,” Moe said.
Dustin Duncan, the minister responsible for SaskEnergy, said the provincial government recognizes there may be consequences.

Dustin Duncan told reporters in Ottawa the province decided not to remit out of fairness, pointing to a decision Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made when Ottawa exempted home heating oil from the carbon charge, a move that largely benefits Atlantic Canadians.
“Our view is that if the prime minister thought that a reduction in the carbon tax and a reduction in the rebate for Atlantic Canadians meant that would be a net positive in terms of affordability for those residents, surely the economics should hold true for Saskatchewan.” Right?
Like, fair & balanced to all peoples? Not just select ones that ‘might’ be swayed back to voting for the Justinites?
Moe said Atlantic Canadians are still getting rebates even though those who use home heating oil aren’t paying the levies.

Trudeau said Thursday the three-year exemption (for Atlantic Canada) is meant to help (boost his failing polls in Atlantic Canada, &) those who use home-heating oil to upgrade to heat pumps, which pollute less.

“Yes, proportionately there’s a lot in Atlantic Canada, but they’re right across the country (in proportionately tiny-tiny amounts),” he said. “This isn’t a program for one part of the country versus others.”
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Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe expects residents could get less money back through the Canada Carbon Rebate following the province’s decision not to remit the federal carbon tax on natural gas used for home heating.

“We’ve mirrored a decision the federal government has made,” Moe told reporters Monday. “We would expect to be treated equally among this nation when it comes to whatever rebate may be coming.”
“We would expect to be treated equally among this nation when it comes to whatever rebate may coming,” said Moe on Monday.

“It fits a proportional reduction in Atlantic Canada, we would expect it to be a proportional reduction here.”
“Go Scoreboard there Justin!!”
 
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Ron in Regina

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Maybe everybody in SK should stop submitting the carbon tax.
It’s buried in everything. You’d have to stop everything….not spend a nickel…to stop paying the carbon taxes.

Anything that’s been shipped has the carbon tax(s) buried in its cost. It you turn on a light in the dark, then pay your electric bill, you’re submitting the carbon tax.
 
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It’s buried in everything. You’d have to stop everything….not spend a nickel…to stop paying the carbon taxes.

Anything that’s been shipped has the carbon tax(s) buried in its cost. It you turn on a light in the dark, then pay your electric bill, you’re submitting the carbon tax.
It's collected by several sources in the province. If they just stopped collecting it. Can't do anything about imports.
 

Ron in Regina

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It’s not just Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre calling on Justin Trudeau to stop the carbon tax hike on April 1, there are a growing number of premiers, too. Andrew Furey, the Liberal premier of Newfoundland and Labrador has written to Trudeau asking him not to raise the tax in just over two weeks’ time.

“The coming almost 25% increase (from $65 to $80 per tonne) in the federal carbon tax on April 1 is causing understandable worry and people consider how they will manage the mounting financial strain,” Furey wrote in a letter sent on Tuesday.

“We ask for the collaboration of the federal government to address the ramifications of the current challenges families face and not to compound them.”

Well, this is getting awkward. Furey now joins Ontario’s Doug Ford, Alberta’s Danielle Smith, Saskatchewan’s Scott Moe and New Brunswick’s Blaine Higgs in calling for the feds to call off their planned tax hike. Or, to put it in the language of Poilievre, they all want Trudeau to “spike the hike.”

While several of the premiers opposed to the carbon tax hike can be described as conservative, even Manitoba’s NDP Premier Wab Kinew has raised concerns about the impact of the carbon tax on family budgets in his province.

There is no doubt that Trudeau will face tremendous pressure on this file next week when the House of Commons gathers for their only sitting before the April 1 tax hike.
 

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It’s not just Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre calling on Justin Trudeau to stop the carbon tax hike on April 1, there are a growing number of premiers, too. Andrew Furey, the Liberal premier of Newfoundland and Labrador has written to Trudeau asking him not to raise the tax in just over two weeks’ time.

“The coming almost 25% increase (from $65 to $80 per tonne) in the federal carbon tax on April 1 is causing understandable worry and people consider how they will manage the mounting financial strain,” Furey wrote in a letter sent on Tuesday.

“We ask for the collaboration of the federal government to address the ramifications of the current challenges families face and not to compound them.”

Well, this is getting awkward. Furey now joins Ontario’s Doug Ford, Alberta’s Danielle Smith, Saskatchewan’s Scott Moe and New Brunswick’s Blaine Higgs in calling for the feds to call off their planned tax hike. Or, to put it in the language of Poilievre, they all want Trudeau to “spike the hike.”

While several of the premiers opposed to the carbon tax hike can be described as conservative, even Manitoba’s NDP Premier Wab Kinew has raised concerns about the impact of the carbon tax on family budgets in his province.

There is no doubt that Trudeau will face tremendous pressure on this file next week when the House of Commons gathers for their only sitting before the April 1 tax hike.
A tax increase in the midst of record domestic production to offset OPEC production cuts is going bite us in the ass.


Does Trudeau know refinery turnarounds start April 1st as well?
 

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A tax increase in the midst of record domestic production to offset OPEC production cuts is going bite us in the ass.


Does Trudeau know refinery turnarounds start April 1st as well?
Do you think he cares? He has his ideology he’s sticking to…& he is thinking generationally…about something, etc…
 

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Do you think he cares? He has his ideology he’s sticking to…& he is thinking generationally…about something, etc…
Ill be sure to teach my grandchildren about the fucking arrogant pricks known as the Trudeaus and how they need to protect the land from those Commie bastards that they will curate in the future.
 
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Ill be sure to teach my grandchildren about the fucking arrogant pricks known as the Trudeaus and how they need to protect the land from those Commie bastards that they will curate in the future.
Hopefully by the time your grandchildren have grandchildren, history books will show this Goof in the light that he deserves.