You're really determined to label me a Jew hater when that's not the case. Are you that determined about everything? Or just believing in false issues?
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You're really determined to label me a Jew hater when that's not the case. Are you that determined about everything? Or just believing in false issues?
Just the Jews living in Israel, and New York and Montreal and and
Yup, Israel must be held to a higher standard than everyone else, even tho' they already do an exceptional job in ensuring that Palestinian citizens are warned before each attack. Guess that's still not enough. So, how is Israel supposed to convince Hamas NOT TO USE THEIR POPULATION AS SHEILDS?
So, just to make a comment about the first part of this video where the stats on US Veto power and Israel stands.
What the US has done, is what modern parents have done with their kids. They've allowed Israel to get away with things that should be at least held accountable somehow, if only to say 'that's over the line' and in so doing, Israel now knows nothing will happen to them, no repercussions vs. what might happen with other countries...
They can do what they wish.
And you wonder why there's a backlash world wide over this?
Now, I know everyone else here is going to whine about how Israel shouldn't be held to those standards and Palestine deserves what they get, blah, blah...
I'm not going to repeat myself for the upteenth time over how Hamas is evil. Rather I've serious questions for you lot and trying to get the why's.
Rifts emerge among top Israeli officials over how to handle the war against Hamas in Gaza
Rifts are emerging among top Israeli officials over the handling of the war against Hamas in Gaza. A member of the country's War Cabinet cast doubt over the strategy for releasing hostages, and the country’s prime minister rejected the United States' calls to scale back its offensive.www.ctvnews.ca
Live updates | US jets strike Yemen a sixth time, as Israel's war in Gaza raises regional tensions
U.S. fighter jets struck Houthi rebel sites in Yemen for a sixth time Friday, taking out anti-ship missile launchers that were prepared to fireabcnews.go.com
Official warns 'absolute defeat' of Hamas not possible: Israeli press review
Meanwhile, several members of the government believe Netanyahu is prolonging the war for political survivalwww.middleeasteye.net
Only 15% of Israelis want Netanyahu to keep job after Gaza war, poll finds
Survey finds most want to reject reported US demands to ease fighting and think military pressure will get hostages back; optimism for future security sags after post-Oct. 7 bumpwww.timesofisrael.com
New Polling Shows How Much Global Support Israel Has Lost
Research from Morning Consult shows that favorable views of Israel have declined in 42 of 43 countries polled since the war in Gaza began.time.com
The people of Israel are not only losing faith in their government, despite the barbarity of Hamas' attack, they're turning against it because they realize if this continues, no further hostages will make it home alive (which anyone sane could have predicted from the get go). So question one - If the Israeli people are losing faith, why are there people who continually ignore these Israeli's and instead side with the extremists who want this war to continue until Hamas (you hope) is wiped out for good?
And speaking of...
Israeli Opinions On Fighting with Hamas
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
Israeli Polls Regarding Peace with the Palestinians and a Palestinian State
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
Polling numbers between October and November showing some interesting things.
Side question - why is it okay to bomb or bomb near hospitals? Why can't Israel send in it's special forces people to root out Hamas people in that area, reducing the risk to those inside said hospital?
Israeli forces pound Khan Younis near major Gaza hospital
GAZA: Israeli forces advanced into the southern Gaza Strip's main city on Thursday (Jan 18), pounding areas near the enclave's biggest functioning hospital, aswww.channelnewsasia.com
Set aside the blatant racism... give a real, honest reason why this is acceptable? And I'm not denying Hamas uses such places as shields, and people in the war know this, but WHY is it acceptable to disregard this? Can you, in answering this, honestly admit if this were Russia, or China, or any other nation doing this near a hospital, it would be "okay"?
Analysis: Risk of spiraling Mideast violence grows as war in Gaza inflames tensions
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip has raised the temperature on tensions across the Middle East, increasing the risk that other conflicts in the region could spin out of control. Whether it is assaults on shipping vessels by Houthi rebels in Yemen or tit-for-tat attacks...toronto.citynews.ca
The polls are clear: While at war with Israel, Hamas defeated Fatah
The challenge to Gaza’s future governance is clear: Israelis are set on destroying Hamas militarily and politically while Palestinians are set on elevating it, Stephan Miller writes.www.euronews.com
So the second question - Is this entire fiasco worth it, if it's only going to elevate Hamas, destroy the PA - which at least Israel could try to work with - and ensure that the issues continue for another two generations?
At this point Netanyahu has admitted full out that Israel will control Gaza, the Palestinians there will be removed (by whatever means) and denies a two-state solution with Palestinians. Which goes against EVERYTHING that was agreed upon for the founding of Israel.
There are over 25,000 people dead (estimated). Is that enough blood for the lives lost on Oct 7th? How many more need to die to equal things out? Because let's talk reality, what Israel is doing isn't trying to get hostages back - and if you think it is please explain how that's going to happen with indiscriminate bombing and refusal to work for anything to release the remaining hostages? - it is using Oct 7th as an excuse for not only revenge, but to remove Palestinians in Gaza for their own "From the River to the Sea" (which I suppose is okay to say because it's Bibi saying it?).
How many will honestly admit that how they feel about the destruction of the people in Gaza isn't because of Hamas, but because of racism/anti-Islamic sentiments?
‘It is a time of witch hunts in Israel’: teacher held in solitary confinement for posting concern about Gaza deaths
Meir Baruchin, who was fired and jailed for criticising the military, says that many who agree with him are afraid to go public
Israel’s Crackdown on Palestinian Dissent
Aida Touma-Sliman discusses the suppression of anti-war expression in Israel, and what it means for the country’s Arab population.
Israel’s Freedom of Expression Falls Victim to the War in Gaza
Since Oct. 7, hundreds of citizens — most Palestinian but many Jewish as well — have been fired, threatened or harassed in an official campaign to throttle antiwar dissent
newlinesmag.com
If Israel wants the "feel good" support it think it deserves, it should look to the West.
For all the support it might have in polling, there ARE people who live in Israel against what's going on.
I'd suggest looking at what these people are not only saying, but living through, as proof that Israel is more and more becoming what it claims to hate. And maybe it's not so "free" and "Democratic" anymore.
And then there's those who recognize the genocide their country is doing, and demanding it be stopped. But of course; crickets.
Israeli public figures accuse judiciary of ignoring incitement to genocide in Gaza
Letter to attorney general and state prosecutor demands action to stop ‘explicit calls to commit atrocious crimes’
Gaza: Report from the ground
We are reaching yet another staggering milestone in Gaza – nearly 25,000 people reported killed, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health. Seventy per cent of them women and children. Another 61,500 – at least – have been injured. Several thousands more are under the rubble, many presumed dead...
"During my time here, I have managed to meet a number of released detainees. These are men who were detained by Israeli Security Forces in unknown locations for between 30 to 55 days. They described being beaten, humiliated, subjected to ill-treatment, and to what may amount to torture. They reported being blindfolded for long periods – some of them for several consecutive days. One man said he had access to a shower only once during his 55 days in detention. There are reports of men who were subsequently released – but only in diapers, without any adequate clothing in this cold weather.
What they told me was consistent with reports our Office has been gathering of the detention of Palestinians on a broad scale, including many civilians, held in secrecy, often subject to ill-treatment, with no access to their families, lawyers or effective judicial protection. The families of detainees – believed to number in the thousands – have not been provided with information on the fate or location of their loved ones."
This shit right here? If it were any other country, there'd be cries even from the US about how this isn't right and something needs to be done. But because it's Israel, again, crickets. But then, maybe Israel learned this shit from the US - Abu-Ghraib anyone?
I don't care WHO does it - Israel, Hamas, the US, China, Russia, Canada - ANYONE who treats people - even prisoners taken in a war situation - like this are fucking disgusting monsters who deserve to have the same done to them.
What Hamas did does NOT mean Israel should do this to innocent civilians in return. Not, and claim to be somehow of the superior moral authority in the region. There IS no morality when anyone does this.
THIS is the reality of Israel's actions. They're not just out to "Stop Hamas", and anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly a damned idiot.
No more excuses, no more "Well Hamas did..." no, no even THAT doesn't give Israel the right to be like this.
And if you think it does, you can join their morally bankrupt cult of Guilt.
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I’m only about 3 minutes into the above vid, and I’ve a question that I’m sure I can probably find the answer to myself, but here’s what lead to my question:
So, just to make a comment about the first part of this video where the stats on US Veto power and Israel stands.
What the US has done, is what modern parents have done with their kids. They've allowed Israel to get away with things that should be at least held accountable somehow, if only to say 'that's over the line' and in so doing, Israel now knows nothing will happen to them, no repercussions vs. what might happen with other countries...
They can do what they wish.
And you wonder why there's a backlash world wide over this?
Now, I know everyone else here is going to whine about how Israel shouldn't be held to those standards and Palestine deserves what they get, blah, blah...
I'm not going to repeat myself for the upteenth time over how Hamas is evil. Rather I've serious questions for you lot and trying to get the why's.
Rifts emerge among top Israeli officials over how to handle the war against Hamas in Gaza
Rifts are emerging among top Israeli officials over the handling of the war against Hamas in Gaza. A member of the country's War Cabinet cast doubt over the strategy for releasing hostages, and the country’s prime minister rejected the United States' calls to scale back its offensive.
Live updates | US jets strike Yemen a sixth time, as Israel's war in Gaza raises regional tensions
U.S. fighter jets struck Houthi rebel sites in Yemen for a sixth time Friday, taking out anti-ship missile launchers that were prepared to fire
Official warns 'absolute defeat' of Hamas not possible: Israeli press review
Meanwhile, several members of the government believe Netanyahu is prolonging the war for political survival
Only 15% of Israelis want Netanyahu to keep job after Gaza war, poll finds
Survey finds most want to reject reported US demands to ease fighting and think military pressure will get hostages back; optimism for future security sags after post-Oct. 7 bump
New Polling Shows How Much Global Support Israel Has Lost
Research from Morning Consult shows that favorable views of Israel have declined in 42 of 43 countries polled since the war in Gaza began.
The people of Israel are not only losing faith in their government, despite the barbarity of Hamas' attack, they're turning against it because they realize if this continues, no further hostages will make it home alive (which anyone sane could have predicted from the get go). So question one - If the Israeli people are losing faith, why are there people who continually ignore these Israeli's and instead side with the extremists who want this war to continue until Hamas (you hope) is wiped out for good?
And speaking of...
Israeli Opinions On Fighting with Hamas
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
Israeli Polls Regarding Peace with the Palestinians and a Palestinian State
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
Polling numbers between October and November showing some interesting things.
Side question - why is it okay to bomb or bomb near hospitals? Why can't Israel send in it's special forces people to root out Hamas people in that area, reducing the risk to those inside said hospital?
Israeli forces pound Khan Younis near major Gaza hospital
GAZA: Israeli forces advanced into the southern Gaza Strip's main city on Thursday (Jan 18), pounding areas near the enclave's biggest functioning hospital, as
Set aside the blatant racism... give a real, honest reason why this is acceptable? And I'm not denying Hamas uses such places as shields, and people in the war know this, but WHY is it acceptable to disregard this? Can you, in answering this, honestly admit if this were Russia, or China, or any other nation doing this near a hospital, it would be "okay"?
Analysis: Risk of spiraling Mideast violence grows as war in Gaza inflames tensions
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip has raised the temperature on tensions across the Middle East, increasing the risk that other conflicts in the region could spin out of control. Whether it is assaults on shipping vessels by Houthi rebels in Yemen or tit-for-tat attacks...
The polls are clear: While at war with Israel, Hamas defeated Fatah
The challenge to Gaza’s future governance is clear: Israelis are set on destroying Hamas militarily and politically while Palestinians are set on elevating it, Stephan Miller writes.
So the second question - Is this entire fiasco worth it, if it's only going to elevate Hamas, destroy the PA - which at least Israel could try to work with - and ensure that the issues continue for another two generations?
At this point Netanyahu has admitted full out that Israel will control Gaza, the Palestinians there will be removed (by whatever means) and denies a two-state solution with Palestinians. Which goes against EVERYTHING that was agreed upon for the founding of Israel.
There are over 25,000 people dead (estimated). Is that enough blood for the lives lost on Oct 7th? How many more need to die to equal things out? Because let's talk reality, what Israel is doing isn't trying to get hostages back - and if you think it is please explain how that's going to happen with indiscriminate bombing and refusal to work for anything to release the remaining hostages? - it is using Oct 7th as an excuse for not only revenge, but to remove Palestinians in Gaza for their own "From the River to the Sea" (which I suppose is okay to say because it's Bibi saying it?).
How many will honestly admit that how they feel about the destruction of the people in Gaza isn't because of Hamas, but because of racism/anti-Islamic sentiments?
Dude on the right (blue shirt) says that the UN Security Council has brought 88 motions agains Israel, & the US has Vetoed 56 of them…so a bias. Sounds biased anyway.
Got me thinking…the UN Security Council, what percentage of its total motions (knowing there’s 200+ countries on the planet, etc…) are against Israel vs all the other countries combined? I don’t know that answer yet but it might put the US’d vetoes into some kind of perspective??
Is it more or less that 50%? Of all the UN Security Councils motions (or whatever the term), are more than 1/2 of them against Israel vs the rest of the planet combined?
so let the terrorists do whatever they want but don't fight back. How typical.‘It is a time of witch hunts in Israel’: teacher held in solitary confinement for posting concern about Gaza deaths
Meir Baruchin, who was fired and jailed for criticising the military, says that many who agree with him are afraid to go publicwww.theguardian.com
Israel’s Crackdown on Palestinian Dissent
Aida Touma-Sliman discusses the suppression of anti-war expression in Israel, and what it means for the country’s Arab population.
Israel’s Freedom of Expression Falls Victim to the War in Gaza
Since Oct. 7, hundreds of citizens — most Palestinian but many Jewish as well — have been fired, threatened or harassed in an official campaign to throttle antiwar dissent
If Israel wants the "feel good" support it think it deserves, it should look to the West.
For all the support it might have in polling, there ARE people who live in Israel against what's going on.
I'd suggest looking at what these people are not only saying, but living through, as proof that Israel is more and more becoming what it claims to hate. And maybe it's not so "free" and "Democratic" anymore.
And then there's those who recognize the genocide their country is doing, and demanding it be stopped. But of course; crickets.
Israeli public figures accuse judiciary of ignoring incitement to genocide in Gaza
Letter to attorney general and state prosecutor demands action to stop ‘explicit calls to commit atrocious crimes’
Gaza: Report from the ground
We are reaching yet another staggering milestone in Gaza – nearly 25,000 people reported killed, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health. Seventy per cent of them women and children. Another 61,500 – at least – have been injured. Several thousands more are under the rubble, many presumed dead...www.ohchr.org
"During my time here, I have managed to meet a number of released detainees. These are men who were detained by Israeli Security Forces in unknown locations for between 30 to 55 days. They described being beaten, humiliated, subjected to ill-treatment, and to what may amount to torture. They reported being blindfolded for long periods – some of them for several consecutive days. One man said he had access to a shower only once during his 55 days in detention. There are reports of men who were subsequently released – but only in diapers, without any adequate clothing in this cold weather.
What they told me was consistent with reports our Office has been gathering of the detention of Palestinians on a broad scale, including many civilians, held in secrecy, often subject to ill-treatment, with no access to their families, lawyers or effective judicial protection. The families of detainees – believed to number in the thousands – have not been provided with information on the fate or location of their loved ones."
This shit right here? If it were any other country, there'd be cries even from the US about how this isn't right and something needs to be done. But because it's Israel, again, crickets. But then, maybe Israel learned this shit from the US - Abu-Ghraib anyone?
I don't care WHO does it - Israel, Hamas, the US, China, Russia, Canada - ANYONE who treats people - even prisoners taken in a war situation - like this are fucking disgusting monsters who deserve to have the same done to them.
What Hamas did does NOT mean Israel should do this to innocent civilians in return. Not, and claim to be somehow of the superior moral authority in the region. There IS no morality when anyone does this.
THIS is the reality of Israel's actions. They're not just out to "Stop Hamas", and anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly a damned idiot.
No more excuses, no more "Well Hamas did..." no, no even THAT doesn't give Israel the right to be like this.
And if you think it does, you can join their morally bankrupt cult of Guilt.
No, I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, that.
I've always said there were other ways, there still are.
Not shocked YOU totally missed those mentions.
Keep us posted. I read an article on this probably over a year ago now. Can't remember the numbers now, but it was sufficiently high to make one think that condemning Israel was their only job.
Specifics concerning Israel and the UN overall.
List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia
So a bit of more recent stuff:
UN General Assembly condemns Israel 14 times in 2023, rest of world 7 - UN Watch
NEW YORK, December 20, 2023 — The UN General Assembly rebuked Israel on Tuesday in three separate resolutions, concluding the world body’s 2023 legislation with a total of 14 resolutions that single out the Jewish state, and seven on the rest of the world combined. There was one resolution each...
unwatch.org
UN condemned Israel more than all other countries combined in 2022 — monitor
General Assembly resolution backing ICJ probe capped year that saw 15 anti-Israel measures, compared to 13 against rest of world, reinforcing claims of bias at Turtle Bay
www.timesofisrael.com
As for the Security Council:
U.S. Vetoes of UN Security Council Resolutions Critical to Israel
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
Total there: 44
Not the article I read, but the numbers seem to be much the same. A definite anti Israel bias.Specifics concerning Israel and the UN overall.
List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
So a bit of more recent stuff:
UN General Assembly condemns Israel 14 times in 2023, rest of world 7 - UN Watch
NEW YORK, December 20, 2023 — The UN General Assembly rebuked Israel on Tuesday in three separate resolutions, concluding the world body’s 2023 legislation with a total of 14 resolutions that single out the Jewish state, and seven on the rest of the world combined. There was one resolution each...unwatch.org
UN condemned Israel more than all other countries combined in 2022 — monitor
General Assembly resolution backing ICJ probe capped year that saw 15 anti-Israel measures, compared to 13 against rest of world, reinforcing claims of bias at Turtle Bay
As for the Security Council:
U.S. Vetoes of UN Security Council Resolutions Critical to Israel
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
Total there: 44
Why would Israel need to be armed to the teeth?
Well for someone who would give them a card blanc - and the rest of the world has to 'follow the rules' - I'm not shocked by your response.
Good for them. The swamp must be drained. If the majority of Palestinians didn't support Hamas, this would be over by now and the hostages returned .
Palestine is demanding a cease fire with the caveat Hamas stays intact.
I like the idea of Suadis and UAE funding a thumping of all the ME radicals at once as well as NATO thumping Russia even if it means 2 or 3 kilotonne nukes popping off here and there.
I like the idea of Suadis and UAE funding a thumping of all the ME radicals at once as well as NATO thumping Russia even if it means 2 or 3 kilotonne nukes popping off here and there.
You are the best example of Ignorance is Idiocy the forum has, Tax.
Still looking in the mirror while typing. You need to get a grip on reality.