WE really need to get rid of this guy

Taxslave2

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Let’s fix that .
The liberal government will simply ignor the call for an inquiry .
I don't think so. Granted, if they can make it all go away, they will. If they can't make it go away, they are going to set up an inquiry that will look closely at something irrelevant that happened while Harper was PM. Or tie it to the conservatives talking to the lady from Germany that was here.
 

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With regard to your last sentence, I disagree that in that it's not only his problem but ours as well.

We have lived the last 40+ years with disagreements BUT they've not been as divisive as it is currently. I still maintain the whatever disagreements we had in the past, it's NOTHING like we have today and this needs to be rectified by having a government that is honest & has integrity. Apparently, those attributes no longer are in existence as we are now experiencing.
You have two words in there the left do not like. Honesty and integrity. They simply can't win an election with those as the parameters.
 
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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he is not “ruling out” making a public inquiry into foreign interference a condition for continuing the governance deal with the federal Liberals, but says that is not a decision he is making just yet.

Soooo….he’s not ruling out…& he’s not ruling it in….so….he’s not really doing anything…but he could, and he might, or he might not…so….it’s pretty much the status quo since Justin & Jagmeet came out of the closet in late January of 2022.

Singh told The Roy Green Show on Saturday that he plans to bring up the issue of foreign interference with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during their meetings on the confidence-and-supply agreement signed between the New Democrats and Liberals.

I listened to this show. When asked direct questions directly, he non-answered like a ….good liberal party member?

“I’m not precluding in any way ruling out that it could come to a point that we’ve got to exercise that ability. That’s something we absolutely have the ability to do,” Singh said in the interview.


When asked again:

“I’m just saying that’s not a decision we’re making today.”

Green asked: “The agreement is in play depending on the situation. Is that what I hear you saying?”

“It’s always in play,” Singh said. “It’s going to be a constant question that we ask ourselves throughout the term of the agreement. We’re going to constantly ask questions, ‘Do we want to continue or not? Is the government doing what’s needed or not?’ It’s an ongoing question.”

Because it’s 2015-ish…I mean 2025-ish? Wow…

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau addressed concerns regarding foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections on Friday. Trudeau said Canadians can be assured that the integrity of both elections was proven by a “non-partisan” supervision and documentation. He added that public inquires are currently being held to identify issues in the federal election process to protect Canada’s democracy.
 

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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he is not “ruling out” making a public inquiry into foreign interference a condition for continuing the governance deal with the federal Liberals, but says that is not a decision he is making just yet.

Soooo….he’s not ruling out…& he’s not ruling it in….so….he’s not really doing anything…but he could, and he might, or he might not…so….it’s pretty much the status quo since Justin & Jagmeet came out of the closet in late January of 2022.

Singh told The Roy Green Show on Saturday that he plans to bring up the issue of foreign interference with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during their meetings on the confidence-and-supply agreement signed between the New Democrats and Liberals.

I listened to this show. When asked direct questions directly, he non-answered like a ….good liberal party member?

“I’m not precluding in any way ruling out that it could come to a point that we’ve got to exercise that ability. That’s something we absolutely have the ability to do,” Singh said in the interview.


When asked again:

“I’m just saying that’s not a decision we’re making today.”

Green asked: “The agreement is in play depending on the situation. Is that what I hear you saying?”

“It’s always in play,” Singh said. “It’s going to be a constant question that we ask ourselves throughout the term of the agreement. We’re going to constantly ask questions, ‘Do we want to continue or not? Is the government doing what’s needed or not?’ It’s an ongoing question.”

Because it’s 2015-ish…I mean 2025-ish? Wow…

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau addressed concerns regarding foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections on Friday. Trudeau said Canadians can be assured that the integrity of both elections was proven by a “non-partisan” supervision and documentation. He added that public inquires are currently being held to identify issues in the federal election process to protect Canada’s democracy.
Should have been the Red Green Show , at least he is handy in a no b.s. kind of way .
 

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In June 2021, when the House demanded documents related to the Winnipeg Lab and Chinese scientists escorted out, the Trudeau government not only refused to release the information, but they also went to court to stop its release.

In 2021, a court never got to hear the matter, the case was made irrelevant by the election call later that year. The very same election now under suspicion of being under the influence of Chinese interference to try and ensure the Liberals were returned to power.

As early as Monday, a report could be filed with the House of Commons showing that the Procedure and House Affairs Committee has voted for a public inquiry to be called into Chinese election interference. That vote, which took place last week, went down in a 6-5 split with all six opposition MPs voting for an inquiry and all five Liberal MPs voting against.

If the report is tabled Monday, which is in doubt given that it would require Liberal MP and committee chair Bardish Chagger (the Former Minister of Excuses) to move quickly, then a full Commons vote could happen later this week.

Given the Trudeau government track record, do you really think they want this to come to a full vote of the Commons? Do you think that they want to give individual Liberal MPs the ability to exercise their conscience and vote for a full, public and independent national inquiry into election interference that allegedly helped the governing party?

That, to put it mildly, is unlikely to happen.
The Liberal line has been that election interference did happen, but it didn’t cross the threshold of impacting the whole election.

What is that threshold? It’s not defined.

Who decides when the threshold is crossed? People handpicked by Prime Minister Trudeau using metrics that he has set out. It is beyond ridiculous.

So, this week, we could see a show down on this matter and it leads to questions about what the Trudeau Liberal government will do. Will they allow a full and free vote? Will they declare any vote on this issue a confidence motion and threaten an election? Will they allow the vote to go ahead and then take the matter to court as they did in the Winnipeg Lab case? More at the above link.
 
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In June 2021, when the House demanded documents related to the Winnipeg Lab and Chinese scientists escorted out, the Trudeau government not only refused to release the information, but they also went to court to stop its release.

In 2021, a court never got to hear the matter, the case was made irrelevant by the election call later that year. The very same election now under suspicion of being under the influence of Chinese interference to try and ensure the Liberals were returned to power.

As early as Monday, a report could be filed with the House of Commons showing that the Procedure and House Affairs Committee has voted for a public inquiry to be called into Chinese election interference. That vote, which took place last week, went down in a 6-5 split with all six opposition MPs voting for an inquiry and all five Liberal MPs voting against.

If the report is tabled Monday, which is in doubt given that it would require Liberal MP and committee chair Bardish Chagger (the Former Minister of Excuses) to move quickly, then a full Commons vote could happen later this week.

Given the Trudeau government track record, do you really think they want this to come to a full vote of the Commons? Do you think that they want to give individual Liberal MPs the ability to exercise their conscience and vote for a full, public and independent national inquiry into election interference that allegedly helped the governing party?

That, to put it mildly, is unlikely to happen.
The Liberal line has been that election interference did happen, but it didn’t cross the threshold of impacting the whole election.

What is that threshold? It’s not defined.

Who decides when the threshold is crossed? People handpicked by Prime Minister Trudeau using metrics that he has set out. It is beyond ridiculous.

So, this week, we could see a show down on this matter and it leads to questions about what the Trudeau Liberal government will do. Will they allow a full and free vote? Will they declare any vote on this issue a confidence motion and threaten an election? Will they allow the vote to go ahead and then take the matter to court as they did in the Winnipeg Lab case? More at the above link.
They will probably create another crisis to put this on the back burner . Quick look at that PP over there .
 
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Ron in Regina

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday committed to new steps his government will take to combat foreign interference, including additional “independent” investigations and further steps “toward” establishing a foreign agents registry.

But none of the steps in Trudeau’s multipronged approach included a public inquiry, which Opposition leaders had signalled earlier in the day was the only method of investigation they would support.

Instead, the decision on whether or not to call such an inquiry will be made by an “independent,” special rapporteur who will have a “wide mandate” to oversee the new probes and make recommendations on how Ottawa can better combat foreign interference and inform the public about such attempts.

The determination will be one of the first tasks of the rapporteur’s mandate, Trudeau said.

“We will abide by their recommendation,” he told reporters at a news conference on Parliament Hill Monday evening, adding “an eminent Canadian” will be appointed to the position in the coming days.

Another independent eminent Canadian to be assigned by the PMO with a wide mandate again? Independent like Justice Rouleau from the Liberal Party for decades (?) or independent like Uncle Bob once removed (?) or independent like the former Head of the Trudeau Foundation? One of those kinds of independent eminent Canadians?
 
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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he is not “ruling out” making a public inquiry into foreign interference a condition for continuing the governance deal with the federal Liberals, but says that is not a decision he is making just yet.

Soooo….he’s not ruling out…& he’s not ruling it in….so….he’s not really doing anything…but he could, and he might, or he might not…so….it’s pretty much the status quo since Justin & Jagmeet came out of the closet in late January of 2022.

Singh told The Roy Green Show on Saturday that he plans to bring up the issue of foreign interference with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during their meetings on the confidence-and-supply agreement signed between the New Democrats and Liberals.

I listened to this show. When asked direct questions directly, he non-answered like a ….good liberal party member?

“I’m not precluding in any way ruling out that it could come to a point that we’ve got to exercise that ability. That’s something we absolutely have the ability to do,” Singh said in the interview.


When asked again:

“I’m just saying that’s not a decision we’re making today.”

Green asked: “The agreement is in play depending on the situation. Is that what I hear you saying?”

“It’s always in play,” Singh said. “It’s going to be a constant question that we ask ourselves throughout the term of the agreement. We’re going to constantly ask questions, ‘Do we want to continue or not? Is the government doing what’s needed or not?’ It’s an ongoing question.”

Because it’s 2015-ish…I mean 2025-ish? Wow…

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau addressed concerns regarding foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections on Friday. Trudeau said Canadians can be assured that the integrity of both elections was proven by a “non-partisan” supervision and documentation. He added that public inquires are currently being held to identify issues in the federal election process to protect Canada’s democracy.
To hear Jagmeet Singh temporize on whether this latest, huge scandal is enough for him to walk out of his self-serving and otherwise inexplicable deal to keep the Liberal ship afloat, is a separate outrage in itself. What’s to think about? A party leader who will let abuse by a foreign government of two Canadian elections go by without unshackling himself and his party from the government he supports, is not worthy of being a party leader.
NDP leader Jagmeet Singh told reporters in a press conference earlier in the day that he would accept nothing less than a public inquiry, but would not commit right away to ending the supply-and-confidence agreement if the Liberals refuse.

“I don’t think this should be in any way a private or a secret committee,” said Singh. “Of course, there will be some information… (that) may be required to be kept confidential, but the process should be public.”
 
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Admittedly I haven't followed the stuff about the China issue because I thought it was pretty clear - Investigate publicly and share what's learned - and I expected Trudeau to fuck it up.

Then this popped up in my feed.


Which got me wondering after Dominic LeBlanc (the fathead and unfortunately the MP for my region... no I didn't vote for him but he's French so...) called PP out for something he said yesterday, I got looking into things.



Sooner Trudeau's gone the better, but I have to wonder, as the article brings up at the end, where would we be if PP's little bill had continued; just how would our elections be more secure?

To clarify, I honestly think NO government is safe when it comes to China because China - the Government - can't be trusted at all. Their own ideas of Manifest Destiny are what is driving them to all this, and there are too many people who put greed over everything else to let their will be done.
 

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Good for Marc Garneau, he’s getting out while the going’s — well, it’s not good, and it’s certainly not going to get any better for the Liberals.

As a rattled Justin Trudeau showed in the House of Commons Wednesday, things are only going to get worse with the Liberals being swamped by new allegations on the electoral interference front and unable to find a safe harbour.
We’re going to have a rapporteur examine Chairman Xi’s surreptitious needlework during our Canadian elections. As opposed to, in place of, or more precisely, to avoid a public inquiry.

Rapporteur is a French word for “Someone I will myself and only me appoint to look into my lack of diligence and transparency when dealing with matters that jeopardize my image or that of my government — which, really, are the same thing.”
Not a public inquiry. After all, a public inquiry would be … public. There’s nothing like a private inquiry to soothe the public mood. The fox should always report on the situation in the henhouse.

By the way, Justin Trudeau’s announcement on Monday of this week that he is launching some kind of inquiry — however shielded and unpublic — means, as he was definitely implying just last week, that it is no longer a manifestation of “anti-Asian racism” to do so. This is very good news. To be honest, I don’t think there was anyone at all, except for Trudeau himself, who ever had that thought in the first place.