The annoyance machine is just to tell me it is now a PC time to get up (also not get yelled at) and I can be awake vertical instead of horizontal.
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I learned in the service to be asleep vertical instead of horizontal. That's one of those "life lessons" that has come in handy more times than I can count.
Done that more than once. There were times we worked so much that I swear we grabbed 30 seconds of sleep while peeing.
the fact it's misused by some doesnt' make the concept stupid. It is valueable to be able to distingush that which happens because of it's own accord and that which is caused to happen by a deliberate influence.
Not very natural. Beer is also not 'naturally' occurring. lots of things aren't natural and still wonderful
The fact that some people use the term inappropriately or to foster faulty logic doesn't change that. They're the ones who are wrong, not us.
Alcohol is. We have video evidence of apes getting shitfaced on rotting fruit and acting silly.the fact it's misused by some doesnt' make the concept stupid. It is valueable to be able to distingush that which happens because of it's own accord and that which is caused to happen by a deliberate influence.
Not very natural. Beer is also not 'naturally' occurring. lots of things aren't natural and still wonderful
Well, sillier.
Birds in our front yard every Spring. We have a mountain ash tree. These red berries, freeze and thaw and by Spring must be little booze containers. When the time is right all of a sudden you have hundreds of birds (not all the same species) gobbling these alcohol berries down as quick as they can…. Then falling out of the tree or bouncing off of our picture window repeatedly….& this happens every Spring!!!
Sure, but beer isnt (and frankly the apes are still one up on some of the beer drinkers i've seen. You never see apes saying "hold my friut...").
For that matter most of the things that go into beer are natural (ish), but that doesn't make beer a 'natural' thing. Just made of natural things.
It's not like it's a huge deal or a grey concept - "natural" or 'nature' or the like just refers to things that happen as a result of the intrinsic properties of a thing rather than by choice or interference of another thing. It's natural that sugars by their nature break down and ferment under the right conditions, it's not natural for bud light to be brewed and put into a can and sold to people who don't know better. It is natural that some people will abuse that beer and do something stupid.
OK, but is it natural that some bright spark will observe that X has a mildly beneficial or euphoric effect and say "Hey, I bet if we concentrate it to 10,000 times its naturally-occurring strength, it'll be amazing!"Sure, but beer isnt (and frankly the apes are still one up on some of the beer drinkers i've seen. You never see apes saying "hold my friut...").
For that matter most of the things that go into beer are natural (ish), but that doesn't make beer a 'natural' thing. Just made of natural things.
It's not like it's a huge deal or a grey concept - "natural" or 'nature' or the like just refers to things that happen as a result of the intrinsic properties of a thing rather than by choice or interference of another thing. It's natural that sugars by their nature break down and ferment under the right conditions, it's not natural for bud light to be brewed and put into a can and sold to people who don't know better. It is natural that some people will abuse that beer and do something stupid.
Not if we look at the more standard definition, although you might say that it's "natural" in the sense that it's a logical progression of a person's intrinsic intelligence. But again, if we look at the definition of 'nature' and 'natural' as being in essence those outcomes inherent in a system then when we're talking about the world in general the maufacture of alcoholic beverages would not be a naturally occurring thing, it requires input beyond it's naturally occurring design. Even tho some would use the phrase "its only natural" that someone would see a thing like that and seek to adapt it.
I mean, most things progress from nature to 'non natural' adaptations - sticks are quite natural and occur naturally, cord fibre is naturally occuring, putting a string on a stick and using it to throw other sticks at things is not naturally occurring. It is quite natural for humans to live in packs. It is not natural for them to build large cities and institute excise taxes.
So... that trans people are created without outside interference... means what then if not "natural" according to your definition?
And as TB pointed out, GLBT have existed and still continue to exist despite all the push against them to be "bred out" or any logical reason for it not to occur. So... again, that means what?
Credit where due, that was Ron.
I think he might overvalue evolution. Any trait that doesn't detract from survival tends to get a pass.
That alone is a persuasive argument for the Darwinian theory of evolution to justify the existence of the Gay community.
At eight billion and counting, I'm more worried about the ecological phenomenon known as "dieback." I'm pretty sure the species is OK for survival otherwise.
You should always remember that evolution favors mutations that improve chances to survive and reproduce under current conditions.
One asteroid can totally fuck up your world-domination plans.
Ron then; sorry Ron
That is how it's "supposed" to work. You'd think with how long "non-straight" people have been around, and that it's found in nature (though realistically you can't use animals as a full scale excuse as they can't equal humans in a lot of ways), it'd be a 'no brainer'. But then again, current "cool things to do" is to be a science denier so...
Pretty much.
Which has people even in "the community" wondering at 'our' purpose, per say, for survival. Lots of guesses, but no concrete evidence for any of it.
Unless you're the asteroid.
Also basically useless. I am sure the last 15 hours worth could have been done in 5 with a bit of sack time.
That most likely means that they are not a result of purely "natural" (genetics) forces in humans. Which lines up with our research. There's no 'gay gene', altough there seems to be genetic combinations which are much more likely to be gay. So geneology plays a role, but it's also other factors which aren't fully understood yet including environmental.
The big question then is, so what? who cares. Gays exist, however we get there. What we do know is that it's not some sort of personal choice or the like, so there's gays so lets move on and deal with it.
Yes, but traits that FAVOR survival tend to be promoted and passed forward.
There is little doubt that having a percentage of the population being gay helps the survival chances of the species. And not just ours, we see "gays" in several other species and it tends to have the same effect. But lets stick with ours.
Children are a MASSIVE drain on resources for any species. They consume more than adults in resources and don't put any back into the system for quite some time. Gays will be unlikely to have children, certainly not as many children. Yet they produce resources. So in our society, that means they're paying school taxes for children they'll never have, they're helping care for and support families that have children. frequently both partners are working and paying tax and won't be taking any mat leave, etc etc. Which means there's more resources for kids and more resources for the society as a whole.
There are other benefits as well but the simple fact is we're better off with a small percent of the population being gay than we are if there were no gays and that's true of many animals. So i would tend to argue that evolution promotes a small percentage being gay.
I figure gays and lesbiams were handy to help raise children, protect the family and tend crops while men went off to war.
Kinda like how the lesser wolves in a pack dont breed but help to hunt and help raise the cubs.
Kinda like how the lesser wolves in a pack dont breed but help to hunt and help raise the cubs.