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The cops appear to have had the necessary tools, what seemed to be lacking was the political will to deal with the situation in a professional manner. Or quite possibly the politicians thought they could induce a riot and come in looking like heros. Instead of the zeros they really are.
I don't even know WHAT happened. Its' all VERY weird, this was handled differently than we've seen any other major protest. I mean this isn't the first time, we had the G7 protests which were rolling protests for weeks and basically shut the city down (no honking tho. Amateurs .)

But this was handled differently to all of that. It sounds like the cops had a plan, but it sounds like the city wanted negotiatons which was working, but it sounds like the feds had other ideas (and perhaps didn't WANT a negotiated end), and the one thing that's clear is that NOBODY but the prime minister wanted the emergency act, which raises the question WHY did he want it? Just to screw with people's bank accounts? Would he have done more if the senate hadn't said they'd shoot it down? This was easily the most peaceful protest of it's size in Canadian history - and nobody knew how to cope with it?

I just don't even know what to say.
 

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The cops appear to have had the necessary tools, what seemed to be lacking was the political will to deal with the situation in a professional manner. Or quite possibly the politicians thought they could induce a riot and come in looking like heros. Instead of the zeros they really are.
The cops didn’t need any tools because they understood that no action was necessary.
 
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The report provides no proof of foreign involvement, and does not indicate where the OPP’s intelligence came from.

I’m putting a five cent bet on the CBC!! Takers?

The OPP’s Feb. 19 assessment about possible foreign interference appears to be at odds with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), the federal agency responsible for keeping tabs on domestic national security threats.
Wasn't there an admission by someone that Trudeau was taking the info from the MSM when he enacted the EA? Have to go back & check but I seem to recall something....I cud be x tho'
 

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Wasn't there an admission by someone that Trudeau was taking the info from the MSM when he enacted the EA? Have to go back & check but I seem to recall something....I cud be x tho'
There was a claim he was relying on reports from the CBC. Of course this inquiry is a chance for him to come forward and provide OTHER sources he relied on as well. So - Mr trudeau, which other intelligence reports other than an unsubstantiated CBC article did you rely on?

*Crickets*
 
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“The Canadian government is ultimately responsible for the invocation of the Emergencies Act and is accountable for its use,” said Senator David Arnot in February.

However, accountability isn’t something Justin Trudeau is good at.

When the ethics commissioner handed down a damning report in the SNC-Lavalin affair Trudeau’s response was defiant.

The commissioner found Trudeau sought to influence his attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, into giving SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution.

“I have no doubt that the result of Mr. Trudeau’s influence would have furthered SNC-Lavalin’s interests. The actions that sought to further these interests were improper since the actions were contrary to the constitutional principles of prosecutorial independence and the rule of law,” the commissioner found.

Trudeau’s response. “I take responsibility for the mistakes I made,” he said before refusing to apologise for his actions.

That, apparently, is what accountability looks like.

“The business of government relies upon people accepting responsibility for their mistakes. Pretending we haven’t made mistakes, carrying on as if everyone can’t see that we have made them, and hoping that things will magically come right is not serious politics,” wrote Suella Braverman, when she resigned as Britain’s Home Secretary last week.

The business of the Canadian government, as Trudeau made clear, is to accept responsibility for mistakes, but do nothing about it and carry on as if nothing had happened.

Expect a similar response should Rouleau find the government blundered over invoking the Emergencies Act. So if Trudeau won’t accept responsibility, & if Singh as an OPPOSITION Member won’t ask for or expect responsibility….then that would fall upon Canadians when Singh allows them a voice next in 2025.
 
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“The Canadian government is ultimately responsible for the invocation of the Emergencies Act and is accountable for its use,” said Senator David Arnot in February.

However, accountability isn’t something Justin Trudeau is good at.

When the ethics commissioner handed down a damning report in the SNC-Lavalin affair Trudeau’s response was defiant.

The commissioner found Trudeau sought to influence his attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, into giving SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution.

“I have no doubt that the result of Mr. Trudeau’s influence would have furthered SNC-Lavalin’s interests. The actions that sought to further these interests were improper since the actions were contrary to the constitutional principles of prosecutorial independence and the rule of law,” the commissioner found.

Trudeau’s response. “I take responsibility for the mistakes I made,” he said before refusing to apologise for his actions.

That, apparently, is what accountability looks like.

“The business of government relies upon people accepting responsibility for their mistakes. Pretending we haven’t made mistakes, carrying on as if everyone can’t see that we have made them, and hoping that things will magically come right is not serious politics,” wrote Suella Braverman, when she resigned as Britain’s Home Secretary last week.

The business of the Canadian government, as Trudeau made clear, is to accept responsibility for mistakes, but do nothing about it and carry on as if nothing had happened.

Expect a similar response should Rouleau find the government blundered over invoking the Emergencies Act. So if Trudeau won’t accept responsibility, & if Singh as an OPPOSITION Member won’t ask for or expect responsibility….then that would fall upon Canadians when Singh allows them a voice next in 2025.
Singh has sunk the NDP into obscurity , at this point the two parties should just merge .
 

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Singh has sunk the NDP into obscurity , at this point the two parties should just merge .
That certainly will be the CPC message next election. Frankly the libs will be pushing that too - "might as well vote for us directly and forget about the NDP to stop the evil Polievre-zilla from attacking our country and tokyo. "

I suspect that jaggers will try to pull some sort of last minute act of defiace to make people think he's really independent of the libs, but i doubt people will buy it at that point.
 

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Too bad - they should be called to testify about their "misinformation"
As the second full week of hearings by the Public Order Emergency Commission winds down, it’s becoming increasingly clear just how weak the government’s rationale appears to be for invoking the Emergencies Act.

As I wrote last week, key witnesses, including the OPP’s intelligence chief Supt. Pat Morris, shredded the federal narrative that the protesters were a violent and dangerous fringe who posed an imminent threat to the nation’s capital.

Morris’s point of view was reconfirmed by OPP Commissioner Thomas Carrique, who asserted categorically that there was no “credible threat” to national security posed by the Freedom Convoy.

Echoing the OPP, Ottawa Police Service incident commander Supt. Robert Bernier made clear that the Emergencies Act was not required for the police to do their job.

Added to this, interim Ottawa police chief Steve Bell said that while the emergency powers were “helpful,” they were not “needed” for the police, the OPP and the RCMP as part of their unified command to do their job.

It’s obvious that emergency powers being helpful is not an adequate criterion to invoke them, and it’s going to be very hard for the government to make a convincing case that there was no viable alternative except imposing an emergency.

Leave the police aside — there’s ample reason to have little faith in Ottawa’s outgoing mayor, Jim Watson. One of his more outlandish suggestions after the protests had already been cleared was that protesters’ vehicles that had been seized be sold and the proceeds used for policing costs.

City solicitor David White, in a memo that since been made public, shot down the idea, saying the city had no legal authority to permanently seize vehicles in such a manner. The fact that Watson, the mayor of a G7 capital, was apparently unaware of this and was proposing tactics that you would more usually find in a banana republic is flabbergasting and scary.

Yet, this is of a piece with the federal government’s freezing of the bank accounts not just of the protesters but those who gave them a few dollars of support online.

Equally disturbing was some of Chief Bell’s verbiage during his testimony to the commission of inquiry. He repeatedly referred to the protests as an “occupation” and the protesters as “occupiers,” terms widely used by critics and opponents of the protests. Such terms are clearly intended to delegitimize what was in fact a peaceful disobedience movement, of a type that Canada or Ottawa has not seen much of, but which is common around the world, including in our neighbour to the south.

Perhaps Bell as a private citizen believes the protest was an occupation, but it’s surely inappropriate for him to use this term when giving testimony as police chief. Strictly speaking, an occupation refers to outsiders, such as a foreign army, taking over part of your territory. It’s ludicrous to apply that to a situation where fellow Canadians came to the nation’s capital to protest federal mandates.

Where should they have gone to protest? Greenland?

What’s more, as police chief, should it not be incumbent upon him to use neutral rather charged language? It would be as if the police chief referred to someone as a criminal before they had been convicted or even charged. Such non-neutral language from a police chief seems to point to a biased view of the protests.

Likewise, when challenged under cross examination by Convoy lawyer Brendan Miller, Bell, who repeatedly invoked “VIOLENCE” being done to city residents, conceded that his use of the term did not refer to ACTUAL violence as defined by the Criminal Code but a violence that was “FELT” by Ottawa residents.

Again, such an assertion might possibly make sense coming from a psychiatrist or a psychological counsellor, but seems rather bizarre coming from the chief of police, whose day job is enforcing the law, not psychologizing what some residents may or may not have felt.

If the rest of the hearings go like this, it’s hard to believe an impartial commission could conclude otherwise than the government failed to make its case for the invocation of the Emergencies Act.

However, the Liberals have their waiting saviour in the NDP and Jagmeet Singh. Singh has said, while the inquiry is in progress, that even if the commission finds fault with the government, his party won’t pull the plug on Trudeau’s minority, thus propping them up until their term expires in 2025.

Rationalize it however Singh may, this is nothing other than the most cynical political calculus, since an early election is likely to prove ruinous to the veto that a party unlikely to ever form a government has over the current governing party.

In the ultimate analysis, the narrative tone was set from the outset by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and it continues to this day.

Commenting on the actions of Ontario Premier Doug Ford, Trudeau praised Ford for “standing with the people of Ottawa, of Ontario and of Canada, and not others.”

Unless the prime minister believes, contrary to the evidence, that members of the Freedom Convoy came from Mars, or at any rate from outside Canada, he’s quite literally “othering” fellow Canadians.

Trudeau is no longer even bothering with the pretence that he governs for all Canadians, and not just the minority (not even a plurality) who voted for him.
 

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The report provides no proof of foreign involvement, and does not indicate where the OPP’s intelligence came from….
Interesting…
….I’m putting a five cent bet on the CBC!! Takers?

The OPP’s Feb. 19 assessment about possible foreign interference appears to be at odds with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), the federal agency responsible for keeping tabs on domestic national security threats.
Interesting again. Two weeks into the inquiry.

In a Feb. 19 report from the Ontario Provincial Police's Provincial Operations Intelligence Bureau, analysts raised the spectre of foreign influence in the protest.

"The available information suggests that foreign adversaries “May” have attempted to leverage the freedom movement blockades and protests to protect or enhance their own strategic economic and political interests," analysts wrote in the 12-page report, made public by the inquiry examining the federal government's decision to invoke the Emergencies Act to end the protest.

"There (are) no foreign actors identified at this point supporting or financing this convoy," Vigneault told the meeting, adding that CSIS also was not seeing funding for the protest coming from foreign states.
The Canadian Security Intelligence Service(CSIS, /ˈsiːsɪs/; French: Service canadien du renseignement de sécurité, SCRS) is Canada's primary national intelligence agency. It is responsible for collecting, analysing, reporting and disseminating intelligence on threats to Canada's national security, and conducting operations, covert and overt, within Canada and abroad. The agency also reports to and advises the minister of public safety on national security issues and situations that threaten the security of the nation.
 

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Likewise, when challenged under cross examination by Convoy lawyer Brendan Miller, Bell, who repeatedly invoked “VIOLENCE” being done to city residents, conceded that his use of the term did not refer to ACTUAL violence as defined by the Criminal Code but a violence that was “FELT” by Ottawa residents.

Then, on the “My Google was broken” front:
 

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Former Ottawa police chief also stated that the convoy had "tension & that it was ready to explode" and it was not "family friendly". He obviously didn't bother to go down to find out for himself. Likely just listened to the CBC!
 
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Former Ottawa police chief also stated that the convoy had "tension & that it was ready to explode" and it was not "family friendly". He obviously didn't bother to go down to find out for himself. Likely just listened to the CBC!

Okay, so what about people in Ottawa who say the same/similar things? I'm sure not *everyone* just listened to CBC and is a parrot of it, like you assume?
 

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Okay, so what about people in Ottawa who say the same/similar things? I'm sure not *everyone* just listened to CBC and is a parrot of it, like you assume?
Educate yourself . Read the reports and watch the videos, it is all documented start to finish . There are many articles and blog posts from the citizens of Ottawa , but not many reports of intimidation and harassment .
 
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Okay, so what about people in Ottawa who say the same/similar things? I'm sure not *everyone* just listened to CBC and is a parrot of it, like you assume?
Educate yourself . Read the reports and watch the videos, it is all documented start to finish . There are many articles and blog posts from the citizens of Ottawa , but not many reports of intimidation and harassment .
There’s always at least three sides to every story:
Ottawa police laid more than 500 charges during last winter’s “Freedom Convoy” occupation of the city’s downtown and the city’s acting deputy police chief acknowledged that “in a large number” of other incidents police could do little more than take down information about complaints.

Ferguson’s (Acting Deputy Chief Trish Ferguson) testimony ran counter to protesters’ claims that the convoy had been peaceful until police moved in after the federal Emergencies Act was invoked.

A summary of charges laid between Jan. 29 and March 12 entered as evidence at the inquiry showed police laid 12 charges of assaulting a police officer, six charges of assault, five charges of possessing a weapon, three charges of assault or intimidation with a weapon, two charges of carrying a concealed weapon, one charge of possessing a restricted firearm and four charges of uttering threats of death or bodily harm.

(weirdly above, it doesn’t specifically state that it was the protesters being charged with these charges, But that in Ottawa these charges were laid between certain dates

There were also more than 200 charges of mischief, 112 charges of obstructing a police officer and 87 charges of disobeying a court order.


And then there’s this. I don’t know how to describe where this is coming from:
 

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There’s always at least three sides to every story:
Ottawa police laid more than 500 charges during last winter’s “Freedom Convoy” occupation of the city’s downtown and the city’s acting deputy police chief acknowledged that “in a large number” of other incidents police could do little more than take down information about complaints.

Ferguson’s (Acting Deputy Chief Trish Ferguson) testimony ran counter to protesters’ claims that the convoy had been peaceful until police moved in after the federal Emergencies Act was invoked.

A summary of charges laid between Jan. 29 and March 12 entered as evidence at the inquiry showed police laid 12 charges of assaulting a police officer, six charges of assault, five charges of possessing a weapon, three charges of assault or intimidation with a weapon, two charges of carrying a concealed weapon, one charge of possessing a restricted firearm and four charges of uttering threats of death or bodily harm.

(weirdly above, it doesn’t specifically state that it was the protesters being charged with these charges, But that in Ottawa these charges were laid between certain dates

There were also more than 200 charges of mischief, 112 charges of obstructing a police officer and 87 charges of disobeying a court order.


And then there’s this from the Whackadoodle left field of something or another:

Oh I know the three sides - yours, mine, and the middle which usually holds the truth.

I'm just wondering about those who lived in Ottawa who, despite what Dix said, did feel there was tension and things were not as 'family friendly' as portrayed.

(at this point my whole take on the convoy is not the same as it was, tbh)
 

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Oh I know the three sides - yours, mine, and the middle which usually holds the truth.

I'm just wondering about those who lived in Ottawa who, despite what Dix said, did feel there was tension and things were not as 'family friendly' as portrayed.

(at this point my whole take on the convoy is not the same as it was, tbh)
I understand what you’re saying, & I wonder how much of that was a reflection of the ominous news predictions and the “racist misogynistic raping horde descending upon the good folks of Ottawa” statements from Justin/Jagmeet that set the tone regardless of what actually happened?
 

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There’s always at least three sides to every story:
Ottawa police laid more than 500 charges during last winter’s “Freedom Convoy” occupation of the city’s downtown and the city’s acting deputy police chief acknowledged that “in a large number” of other incidents police could do little more than take down information about complaints.

Ferguson’s (Acting Deputy Chief Trish Ferguson) testimony ran counter to protesters’ claims that the convoy had been peaceful until police moved in after the federal Emergencies Act was invoked.

A summary of charges laid between Jan. 29 and March 12 entered as evidence at the inquiry showed police laid 12 charges of assaulting a police officer, six charges of assault, five charges of possessing a weapon, three charges of assault or intimidation with a weapon, two charges of carrying a concealed weapon, one charge of possessing a restricted firearm and four charges of uttering threats of death or bodily harm.

(weirdly above, it doesn’t specifically state that it was the protesters being charged with these charges, But that in Ottawa these charges were laid between certain dates

There were also more than 200 charges of mischief, 112 charges of obstructing a police officer and 87 charges of disobeying a court order.


And then there’s this. I don’t know how to describe where this is coming from:
From all the live video I watched the only confrontation I saw prior to the final day when the riot police moved in with there shields and clubs was one of two Ottawa police officers arresting an elderly man for a parking violation far away from said protest .