Kelly McParland: How decades of Liberal indifference created Danielle Smith

[The_Foxer]

That’s great , but the lower mainland and southern Vancouver Island are solidly behind confederation . There is support for separation in the North and central areas of the province . I do agree that we in the west should band together to counter Ottawa . I also believe the western provinces , all provinces for that matter , should be preparing for the inevitable break up of Canada . But that is just me.

They're really not. Such support is very soft, and has gone the other way many times.

Most of them actually like the idea of more power to the provinces, more political say in their direct lives, etc. Remember - one of the largest growing batches of PP supporters are coming from the youth in those areas. Traditionally the CPC does pretty well in greater vancouver.

And remember - we're not talking about seperation here. We're talking about something closer to quebec 'soverignty association', or a power group that stands up to the east.. Not leaving Canada.

You are simply wrong here entirely. British columbia would not take much convincing to support a western alliance to gain more powers and less interference from the feds.

 

[Taxslave2]

When did you ask them?

We are too busy fighting our own government to worry much about the federal stage.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

We are too busy fighting our own government to worry much about the federal stage.

What are you, personally, doing to fight your government? Just curious.

 

[Taxslave2]

What are you, personally, doing to fight your government? Just curious.

I vote. I write letters . Show up at political meetings. At one time, I was riding association president for the BC Liberals. (not related to the federal liberals). So basically more that all you arm chair dicktators put together.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I vote. I write letters . Show up at political meetings. At one time, I was riding association president for the BC Liberals. (not related to the federal liberals). So basically more that all you arm chair dicktators put together.

I agree. And I commend you for your involvement. Well done!

I disagree with you on a lot. Civic engagement ain't one of the lot.

As for me, "arm chair dicktator" is pretty much the most I can do. I'm not really invited to the Canadian (or provincial) poo-flinging fights.

 

[Taxslave2]

I agree. And I commend you for your involvement. Well done!

I disagree with you on a lot. Civic engagement ain't one of the lot.

As for me, "arm chair dicktator" is pretty much the most I can do. I'm not really invited to the Canadian (or provincial) poo-flinging fights.

That makes you the only lefty in the world that feels that way. They all come here and try to tell us how to live. Many of their terrorist groups like greenpiece even set up branch offices here.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That makes you the only lefty in the world that feels that way. They all come here and try to tell us how to live. Many of their terrorist groups like greenpiece even set up branch offices here.

Which kinda raises the question: Am I really a "lefty?"

I've said this before, but I'll repeat it: agreeing that whatever somebody is screaming about is indeed a problem does not constitute endorsement of their proposed solution. Only a moron or somebody looking for a fight (or both) fail to get that.

 

[Taxslave2]

What many of the foreign leftys are screaming about the taxpayers here do not necessarily view as a problem. Like old growth logging. Or drilling for oil.
Here is a good one for you: Back in the late 60s/early 70s the federal government put a moratorium on drilling for oil off the west coast, yet support drilling off the east coast. Or the ban of tankers turdOWE slapped on outbound oil on the west coast while the east coast imports foreign oil by tankers from the middle east.

 

[The_Foxer]

We are too busy fighting our own government to worry much about the federal stage.

Yeah, well.. that's another issue

 

[Dixie Cup]

Might as well, Kaybec finally got their sovereignty-association bullshit.

At least "try"?

 

[Dixie Cup]

That’s great , but the lower mainland and southern Vancouver Island are solidly behind confederation . There is support for separation in the North and central areas of the province . I do agree that we in the west should band together to counter Ottawa . I also believe the western provinces , all provinces for that matter , should be preparing for the inevitable break up of Canada . But that is just me.

Wasn't there a referendum in N.E. B.C. (or maybe the talk of one) for that part of the province to join Alberta? I seem to recall something about that.

 

[Jinentonix]

That’s great , but the lower mainland and southern Vancouver Island are solidly behind confederation . There is support for separation in the North and central areas of the province . I do agree that we in the west should band together to counter Ottawa . I also believe the western provinces , all provinces for that matter , should be preparing for the inevitable break up of Canada . But that is just me.

That ties into something I've been saying for about 30 years now. It's very difficult to manage/govern countries with the geographic size of Canada (and the US for that matter) and multi-ethnic backgrounds on the principles of democracy. Regions with higher populations will tend to dominate the political direction of a country, leading to much dissatisfaction from the other regions. Cultural differences can also influence the direction. Often times the two intersect.

In Canada, Ontario and Quebec determine the political direction of the other 8 provinces and 3 territories. (The fact that Quebec has ANY say is an affront to a lot of people, especially in Western Canada, and for good reason.)
Although less problematic in the US due to weighted votes, 4 states can still potentially determine the direction of the rest of the country.

Nothing has changed to make me change me mind in those last 30 years either. It's inevitable that both Canada and the US will either fracture into smaller states or become fully authoritarian regimes to try and prevent the fracture from happening, especially as more natural resources become strategic resources.
And little Mr. "I Wanna Be the First Post-Nation State" is merely hastening the process.

 

[pgs]

Wasn't there a referendum in N.E. B.C. (or maybe the talk of one) for that part of the province to join Alberta? I seem to recall something about that.

That comes up occasionally but never goes anywhere . One semi interesting thing about the area is that they don’t do daylight savings time and stay on the same clock year round .

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

That comes up occasionally but never goes anywhere . One semi interesting thing about the area is that they don’t do daylight savings time and stay on the same clock year round .

Maybe then they want to be a part of Saskatchewan.

 

[The_Foxer]

The only time in history when seperation sentiment was high enough that it might actually have succeeded was just before Harper was elected. (at least - that we know of from actual polling). However - it is common for strong anti-eastern sentiment to be prevelant. BC would likely back efforts to distance the west from the east.

 

[Dixie Cup]

The only time in history when seperation sentiment was high enough that it might actually have succeeded was just before Harper was elected. (at least - that we know of from actual polling). However - it is common for strong anti-eastern sentiment to be prevelant. BC would likely back efforts to distance the west from the east.

Really? Do you think BC would back efforts? I'm inclined to disagree. Maybe N.E. B.C would be game but I'm not so sure about Vancouver or Victoria.

 

[Dixie Cup]

Unfortunately, the wet coast is so infested with extreme lefties, a Union with more advanced provinces is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. They are so far out of touch with reality, they actually believe socialism is a good thing and globull warming is a fact.

Which is why I posted what I did earlier

 

[The_Foxer]

Really? Do you think BC would back efforts? I'm inclined to disagree. Maybe N.E. B.C would be game but I'm not so sure about Vancouver or Victoria.

If we're talking about more autonomy from the feds then yes, pretty much everywhere (even victoria unless they think that right leaning people might ALSO like the deal, in which case no).

The right hates the power ottawa has and dislikes how they can impose the will of people in the east on us, and the left hates how the feds can interfere in what they see as social issues such as forcing a pipeline through or the like. Even the left wingers here tend to be pretty independant, they'd rather fight it out on a provincial level with the right than have to deal with ottawa.

Seperation is a bit of a different issue but like i said - the province has polled higher than alberta in that respect a few times in history, the last time just before harper. Also remember a large percent of the people now living in the lower mainland and the island are actually retired Albertans. BC is the only province in canada where more people move TO it from alberta than FROM it to alberta. So there's a lot of that alberta dislike for the feds around.

I don't think you'd have a problem selling a 'western firewall' or 'western soverignty association' concept in bc.

 

[Dixie Cup]

Ok, good to know. Thx for the info.

 

[petros]

Ok, good to know. Thx for the info.

Its a go in the interior.