The Worst PM Ever. Period!

[petros]

Lefties...the people who say there isnt gender but demand female leadership?

Those people? The ones that want funding for their lifestyle rather than access to their immediate needs?

The people who hate rich people but demand someone marginalized should be paid large sums for things they never really experienced.

The people who scream "my body, my choice" but get pissed if I dont want a vaccine.

People who cry about bike lanes but bitch when their bus is late because of bike lanes bottlenecking traffic.

The people who trash statues but demand more arts funding.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Lefties...the people who say there is gender but demand female leadership?

Those people? The ones that want funding for their lifestyle rather than access to their immediate needs?

The people who hate rich people but demand someone marginalized should be paid large sums for things they never really experienced.

The people who scream "my body, my choice" but get pissed if I dont want a vaccine.

People who cry about bike lanes but bitch when their bus is late because of bike lanes bottlenecking traffic.

The people who trash statues but demand more arts funding.

Pretty much. Some of your criticisms are irrelevant and stupid, but most of 'em have at least a germ of truth to 'em.

They're no less socialist than you, they just want the government tit to produce a different flavor.

 

[Nick Danger]

Then it follows to reason that things like welfare and government pensions should be scrapped too. If those leeches can't fend for themselves why expect my tax dollars to cover their collective asses ?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Then it follows to reason that things like welfare and government pensions should be scrapped too. If those leeches can't fend for themselves why expect my tax dollars to cover their collective asses ?

NOW yer gettin' it!

Wanna fare well? Work. Happy, comfortable old age? Save. Or be real nice to your kids.

Roads too. If there needs to be a road from here to there, some bright young entrepreneur'll buy the necessary land/rights of way and build one. Then he'll charge tolls. If he was right about the need and picks his price point wisely, he'll profit. If not, he'll go broke. Either way, I don't have to pay for roads I don't use, gol-dang it!

 

[bob the dog]

I have no problem with private sector unions . They can and at times do negotiate themselves out of a job . There are no such constraints in the public sector .

Are there any private sector unions left? UAW doesn't really apply.

 

[bob the dog]

Sure, better healthcare for those who can afford it. What's next on the hit list, public education ?

That would be a very positive step. Kids learn nothing but the educators need the jobs. Parents give up control of their children only to have to pick up the pieces twenty years down the road. Kids are victims of the school system.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Sure, better healthcare for those who can afford it. What's next on the hit list, public education ?

Already have private education is sky rocketing why? What incentive is left in the no-one left behind system?

 

[Twin_Moose]

That's pretty much the definition of a socialist. Somebody that wants to keep their socialist systems and fiddle around with the rules.

I have no problem going to a free market system, the poor will suffer though, that's why I'm ok with single payer system. Just Gotta clean it up get the leeches and abusers out to serve the citizens in a more timely manner.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Then it follows to reason that things like welfare and government pensions should be scrapped too. If those leeches can't fend for themselves why expect my tax dollars to cover their collective asses ?

Pensions are literally your/our money paid in and mismanaged by our Gov.

 

[Nick Danger]

I think we have a decent system in place, free market with social programs where needed. But there is some tweaking needed because as you say, there are leeches and abusers within the system, and it's worth noting that they are not restricted to the poor end of the economic spectrum. The problem there is how to weed out the abusers without punishing legitimate participants.

I see education and healthcare as basic rights within our current system. I don't believe that being able to buy your way to the head of the line is in keeping with the intent of universal healthcare, and a two tier health system inevitably leads to better care for those who can afford it. I don't see anything wrong with a bigger house or a nicer car if you have the money, but when it comes to healthcare get in line with everybody else.

There are some pretty good models in the Scandinavian countries to look to. People immediately point to their higher taxes, but at the end of the day their quality of life and general happiness is light years ahead of Canada's.

The 20 Happiest Countries in the World

 

[Nick Danger]

Pensions are literally your/our money paid in and mismanaged by our Gov.

Our taxes also support the medical and education systems. No real difference there.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I think we have a decent system in place, free market with social programs where needed. But there is some tweaking needed because as you say, there are leeches and abusers within the system, and it's worth noting that they are not restricted to the poor end of the economic spectrum. The problem there is how to weed out the abusers without punishing legitimate participants.

I see education and healthcare as basic rights within our current system. I don't believe that being able to buy your way to the head of the line is in keeping with the intent of universal healthcare, and a two tier health system inevitably leads to better care for those who can afford it. I don't see anything wrong with a bigger house or a nicer car if you have the money, but when it comes to healthcare get in line with everybody else.

There are some pretty good models in the Scandinavian countries to look to. People immediately point to their higher taxes, but at the end of the day their quality of life and general happiness is light years ahead of Canada's.

The 20 Happiest Countries in the World

Commie.

 

[Nick Danger]

Commie.

Fossil.

 

[taxslave]

Commie.

Nah, just uninformed.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Fossil.

Paramecium.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Our taxes also support the medical and education systems. No real difference there.

What taxes support CPP?

 

[Nick Danger]

What taxes support CPP?

Sure, they call it a "contribution", but anyone with a lick of sense knows it's just another tax. The money I "contribute" today just goes to cover others collecting the cheques, the same way people are paying a school tax on their municipal tax bill when they don't have children in the education system. You're not going to draw me into a scrap over semantics.

Two-tier health care is not a good thing. It is Conservative window dressing to download the cost of healthcare on to the private sector and improve the looks of their bottom line. It has been shown over and over that what actually happens is that resources are leeched away from the public system resulting in longer wait times and shortage of staff. It just adds to the plague of financial privilege that is slowly tearing our system apart. If we don't reign it in soon we will just end up in a mess like our neighbours to the south.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Sure, they call it a "contribution", but anyone with a lick of sense knows it's just another tax.

Well, there's your problem right there!

 

[Twin_Moose]

Sure, they call it a "contribution", but anyone with a lick of sense knows it's just another tax. The money I "contribute" today just goes to cover others collecting the cheques, the same way people are paying a school tax on their municipal tax bill when they don't have children in the education system. You're not going to draw me into a scrap over semantics.

Two-tier health care is not a good thing. It is Conservative window dressing to download the cost of healthcare on to the private sector and improve the looks of their bottom line. It has been shown over and over that what actually happens is that resources are leeched away from the public system resulting in longer wait times and shortage of staff. It just adds to the plague of financial privilege that is slowly tearing our system apart. If we don't reign it in soon we will just end up in a mess like our neighbours to the south.

Is your union pension a tax? Why not?

 

[Dixie Cup]

You have a point, but only to a point. Wealth and power don't really honour partisan boundaries. In Canada where both major parties are close to center, it's still the rich that hold the rudder. In terms of left wing vs right wing philosophy, the left is more about "us" while the right puts the emphasis on "me". More often than not I hear conservatives scoff at terms like "The greater good" and "Globalism" as if they are evils to be avoided at all costs.

I don't agree that the "left is more about "us"" The Liberals have become more and more left of center and are not the Party of the people anymore - not since Trudeau Sr. anyway and maybe even before, but certainly not now. Conservatives have had their issues and continue to evolve as more and more people see how bad the Liberals are for this country.

As for "(hear)ing conservatives scoff at terms like "The greater good" and "Globalism" as if they are evils to be avoided at all costs" I don't know about the "greater good" (what does that actually mean politically?) and Globalism is certainly NOT the road to go down and should be "scoffed at". It would mean giving up our sovereignty and I doubt you or any other Canadian wishes that on our country. Why would we want the likes of oligarchs & tyrants (aka UN, WHO, big tech et al) telling us what we are allowed to do or say?

So 1 out of the 2 is certainly worth "scoffing" about!!

I want to elaborate on "the greater good" because I feel that this term is something different politically than generally. The greater good would be pipelines to tide waters both east and west so that the "greater good" would be of benefit for ALL Canadians insofar as employment & tax revenues. But in actual fact, the "greater good" means whatever is beneficial to "some" and not all. So I would "scoff" at that as well.