COVID-19 'Pandemic'

[taxslave]

Trudeau led his country out of a pandemic while Trump's lack of leadership leaves the US in deep crisis
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/poli...rus-north-american-trade-agreement/index.html
(CNN)For months, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's hair kept growing.
As the coronavirus pandemic kept barbershops closed to customers, his tidy trim grew into a wave that evolved eventually into a mop with bangs. For some, the mane came to embody the shared sacrifices that Trudeau -- quarantined at his home in Ottawa -- was asking fellow Canadians to endure to stop the spread of coronavirus.
Things progressed differently 450 miles south in Washington.

You are truly delusional.

 

[JLM]

Trudeau led his country out of a pandemic.

Correction - it was more the likes of Bonnie Henry and her counterparts across the country, who deserve the bulk of the credit for this...…….NOT the Bozo in Ottawa. Learn to do some research!

 

[Phoenyx]

I'm not sure it matters too much. What you did previously is understandable. Probably no harm in reposting the questions. Welcome to the forum.

Thank you . And I'll take your advice as so far, most of the people responding in the thread I made over there are just insulting me (with one notable exception ). So, here are the questions that I have, inspired by articles that I've read:
I know I'm not alone here in questioning what the truth is behind Covid 19 here. I've heard many stories at this point. A few off the top of my head:


1- There isn't solid evidence that the Cov 2 Virus is a new Coronavirus:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/09...at-the-coronavirus-fulfills-kochs-postulates/


2- There isn't much evidence that Cov 2 has killed anyone:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/...y-association/



3-Did the Cov 2 Virus escape from a lab in Wuhan, China?:
https://www.newsweek.com/scientists-...y-says-1504656


And since this is a Canadian forum:
COVID Deaths in Canada: A Questionable Statistic: Before Canadians surrender anymore of their freedoms to COVID-19 propaganda, can we stop and ask some critical questions?| Off Guardian


So, what do people think? I'm hoping we can get some constructive dialogue going on this...

 

[JLM]

You didn’t read the article , maybe you can answer the question , where are the deaths ?

I'm sure the next of kin will point them out!

 

[gerryh]

Thank you . And I'll take your advice as so far, most of the people responding in the thread I made over there are just insulting me (with one notable exception ). So, here are the questions that I have, inspired by articles that I've read:
I know I'm not alone here in questioning what the truth is behind Covid 19 here. I've heard many stories at this point. A few off the top of my head:
1- There isn't solid evidence that the Cov 2 Virus is a new Coronavirus:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/09...at-the-coronavirus-fulfills-kochs-postulates/
2- There isn't much evidence that Cov 2 has killed anyone:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/...y-association/
3-Did the Cov 2 Virus escape from a lab in Wuhan, China?:
https://www.newsweek.com/scientists-...y-says-1504656
And since this is a Canadian forum:
COVID Deaths in Canada: A Questionable Statistic: Before Canadians surrender anymore of their freedoms to COVID-19 propaganda, can we stop and ask some critical questions?| Off Guardian
So, what do people think? I'm hoping we can get some constructive dialogue going on this...

You want to explain how one would sequence the DNA of the covid 19 virus? I'm very interested in your obvious superior knowledge.

 

[Hoid]

You want to explain how one would sequence the DNA of the covid 19 virus? I'm very interested in your obvious superior knowledge.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

here is the genome info.

did not understand this was a multi thread misunderstanding.

covid 19 is absolutely related to previous sars and sars-like viruses

 

[Phoenyx]

You want to explain how one would sequence the DNA of the covid 19 virus? I'm very interested in your obvious superior knowledge.

When did I say I had "superior knowledge"? I posted a bunch of articles that made me question various aspects of the official story. I imagine there's a reason behind your question. Instead of holding on to it like some proverbial sword of damocles, how about you reveal it?

 

[Hoid]

You are truly delusional.

That was a cut and paste

I didn't write any of it

 

[DaSleeper]

He's just another Alex Jones fan,.

 

[Phoenyx]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/
here is the genome info.
did not understand this was a multi thread misunderstanding.
covid 19 is absolutely related to previous sars and sars-like viruses

Alright, let's get some context in here. Rosemary, a medical journalist friend of mine, co-wrote the following article:
Scientists Have Utterly Failed to Prove that the Coronavirus Fulfills Koch’s Postulates | Off Guardian

In the article she argues (not surprisingly, given the title of the article) that the Cov 2 Virus hasn't passed the test of Koch's Postulates.

Now, I will acknowledge that in the comments to the article, one poster wrote:
**
The limitations of Koch’s criteria are even more obvious when we consider viral diseases, which were not yet discovered when the postulates were formulated. Thomas Rivers, who has been called the ‘father of modern virology’, wrote:

‘‘It is unfortunate that so many workers blindly followed the rules, because Koch himself quickly realized that in certain instances all the conditions could not be met. . . . Thus, in regard to certain diseases, particularly those caused by viruses, the blind adherence to Koch’s postulates may act as a hindrance instead of an aid.’’

Many viruses do not cause illness in all infected individuals, a requirement of postulate #1. An example is poliovirus, which causes paralytic disease in about 1% of those infected. Further compromising postulate #1 is the fact that infection with the same virus may lead to markedly different diseases, while different viruses may cause the same disease. Postulates #2 and #3 cannot be fulfilled for viruses that do not replicate in cell culture, or for which a suitable animal model has not been identified.

https://www.virology.ws/2010/01/22/kochs-postulates-in-the-21st-century/
**


Would this be the stance of many posters here?

 

[JLM]

Thank you . And I'll take your advice as so far, most of the people responding in the thread I made over there are just insulting me (with one notable exception ). So, here are the questions that I have, inspired by articles that I've read:
I know I'm not alone here in questioning what the truth is behind Covid 19 here. I've heard many stories at this point. A few off the top of my head:


1- There isn't solid evidence that the Cov 2 Virus is a new Coronavirus:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/09...at-the-coronavirus-fulfills-kochs-postulates/


2- There isn't much evidence that Cov 2 has killed anyone:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/...y-association/



3-Did the Cov 2 Virus escape from a lab in Wuhan, China?:
https://www.newsweek.com/scientists-...y-says-1504656


And since this is a Canadian forum:
COVID Deaths in Canada: A Questionable Statistic: Before Canadians surrender anymore of their freedoms to COVID-19 propaganda, can we stop and ask some critical questions?| Off Guardian


So, what do people think? I'm hoping we can get some constructive dialogue going on this...

I'd omit your point #2, it's not factual. I have personal knowledge of one death and that's just me.

 

[Hoid]

Alright, let's get some context in here. Rosemary, a medical journalist friend of mine, co-wrote the following article:
Scientists Have Utterly Failed to Prove that the Coronavirus Fulfills Koch’s Postulates | Off Guardian

In the article she argues (not surprisingly, given the title of the article) that the Cov 2 Virus hasn't passed the test of Koch's Postulates.

Now, I will acknowledge that in the comments to the article, one poster wrote:
**
The limitations of Koch’s criteria are even more obvious when we consider viral diseases, which were not yet discovered when the postulates were formulated. Thomas Rivers, who has been called the ‘father of modern virology’, wrote:

‘‘It is unfortunate that so many workers blindly followed the rules, because Koch himself quickly realized that in certain instances all the conditions could not be met. . . . Thus, in regard to certain diseases, particularly those caused by viruses, the blind adherence to Koch’s postulates may act as a hindrance instead of an aid.’’

Many viruses do not cause illness in all infected individuals, a requirement of postulate #1. An example is poliovirus, which causes paralytic disease in about 1% of those infected. Further compromising postulate #1 is the fact that infection with the same virus may lead to markedly different diseases, while different viruses may cause the same disease. Postulates #2 and #3 cannot be fulfilled for viruses that do not replicate in cell culture, or for which a suitable animal model has not been identified.

https://www.virology.ws/2010/01/22/kochs-postulates-in-the-21st-century/
**


Would this be the stance of many posters here?

COVID 19 is one in a series of related viruses

It has killed many people and will kill many more.

There is no question about that

 

[Twin_Moose]

Your answer is in the article.

Large droplets vs small droplets?

 

[gerryh]

Large droplets vs small droplets?

But that level of uncertainty over how big a role airborne transmission plays has also led some infectious disease experts to question the push to label it a significant threat before all the research is in, backing up the WHO's current position.

"It's creating a false sense of alarm, and it doesn't contribute to our understanding or the management of this infection," said Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease physician at Toronto General Hospital.

"Now, could there be some airborne transmission? Maybe a little bit, but I think it's pretty safe to say that the vast majority of transmission falls toward the droplet end of the spectrum."

 

[Twin_Moose]

Trudeau led his country out of a pandemic while Trump's lack of leadership leaves the US in deep crisis
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/poli...rus-north-american-trade-agreement/index.html
(CNN)For months, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's hair kept growing.
As the coronavirus pandemic kept barbershops closed to customers, his tidy trim grew into a wave that evolved eventually into a mop with bangs. For some, the mane came to embody the shared sacrifices that Trudeau -- quarantined at his home in Ottawa -- was asking fellow Canadians to endure to stop the spread of coronavirus.
Things progressed differently 450 miles south in Washington.

We are approximately 2/3 if we project the 10% population in relation to the US, what if we were actually comparable to the US population would the numbers be that far off?

 

[Twin_Moose]

But that level of uncertainty over how big a role airborne transmission plays has also led some infectious disease experts to question the push to label it a significant threat before all the research is in, backing up the WHO's current position.
"It's creating a false sense of alarm, and it doesn't contribute to our understanding or the management of this infection," said Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease physician at Toronto General Hospital.
"Now, could there be some airborne transmission? Maybe a little bit, but I think it's pretty safe to say that the vast majority of transmission falls toward the droplet end of the spectrum."

Makes sense, except you can't blame a certain politician if the WHO would not adopt their position.

 

[Phoenyx]

I'd omit your point #2, it's not factual. I have personal knowledge of one death and that's just me.

Being told that a person you know died from the Cov 2 Virus doesn't mean they actually died from the Cov 2 Virus.

 

[gerryh]

Being told that a person you know died from the Cov 2 Virus doesn't mean they actually died from the Cov 2 Virus.

There ya go jlm. Did you expect anything else from a tinhatter?

 

[Hoid]

Being told that a person you know died from the Cov 2 Virus doesn't mean they actually died from the Cov 2 Virus.

Oh now i get it. You're blackshirt or some other ignore lister trying to make a bad situation just a little worse.

Back on the list you go.

 

[Phoenyx]

Oh now i get it. You're blackshirt or some other ignore lister trying to make a bad situation just a little worse.
Back on the list you go.

Why people are so confident in Cov 2 death diagnosis, I have no idea. Lots of evidence that it's messed up:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/01/covid-deaths-in-canada-a-questionable-statistic/

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/30/us-gov-website-falsely-inflating-care-home-covid-deaths/

But point this out and a lot of people will just insult you -.-