Any rational thoughts about taxes? ......

Tecumsehsbones

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How are corporations taxed at present - got any details?
In the United States, corporations are taxed on profits, not revenues. And there are reams of exceptions built into the tax code that end up with many corporations, including some of the richest in the world, paying no income tax at all.
 

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A long article, Anna. It will take a while to digest. One immediate thought I have, is that anything that discourages Big Consumption would be a good thing for the planet.

In running my eye down the paragraphs I see another semantic issue to trip over - 'Flat tax' is mentioned but it doesn't seem to mean what I thought it would. I wonder how many different meanings people give it.

Is a progressive consumption tax what you would recommend/prefer, and with no other taxation? What about non-consuming services, or all those 'fees and levies'?
 

petros

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Not much; We're rural seniors with full prop tax discount so we don't pay much. In town would be a lot different. People there are already hurting, but how else can small cities with dying industries survive?
That's great but they are raising the mill to keep up with growth where I live.
 

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Not much; We're rural seniors with full prop tax discount so we don't pay much. In town would be a lot different. People there are already hurting, but how else can small cities with dying industries survive?
Cutting services. Do you really need boulevards with flower gardens? How about rainbow crosswalks?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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ROFLMFAO. Where do you think corporations are getting the money from to pay taxes? I suppose one could consider it a consumption tax but it really isn't.
Of course you think that, because in your knee-jerk truckling to corporations, you repeat whatever BS lines they feed you, and can't be bothered to think through the implications.

For example, the quoted passage is just a version of the old corporate threat when faced with any possibility of regulation, "We'll pass on those costs to consumers." Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. Corporations pass on all costs to consumers. It's called "pricing."

Should someone who is actually capable of thinking in anything other than pre-loaded sayings care to examine the implications, I'll be happy to lay it out for them. Say, maybe VIBC or Anna Ember.

Meanwhile, y'all have a real nice evening now, hear?
 

taxslave

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Of course you think that, because in your knee-jerk truckling to corporations, you repeat whatever BS lines they feed you, and can't be bothered to think through the implications.
Should someone who is actually capable of thinking in anything other than pre-loaded sayings care to examine the implications, I'll be happy to lay it out for them. Say, maybe VIBC or Anna Ember.
That is way above your ability. I simply pointed out the indisputable fact that corporate taxes are just added to the retail price so the consumer pays the business income tax. Hard for an internet lawyer to understand, I know. Now corporate tax on revenue generated out of the country is a different story.
 

VIBC

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Cutting services.
"Cutting services." is not a sentence. What do you mean by saying it?
Do you really need boulevards with flower gardens? How about rainbow crosswalks?
Who, me? I don't need any of those things.

What a city needs, builds, maintains is decided by its citizens, via elections, referendums, activism, volunteering, apathy, rebellion etc etc. Individuals can be disappointed in the results but that's how things work.

By the way growing flowers costs little or nothing so why not have gardens? It's probably cheaper than paving.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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That is way above your ability. I simply pointed out the indisputable fact that corporate taxes are just added to the retail price so the consumer pays the business income tax. Hard for an internet lawyer to understand, I know. Now corporate tax on revenue generated out of the country is a different story.
Well, you do appear to have about a grade 8 understanding of pricing.
 

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Corporations do not pay taxes, all they do is pass the cost on to the consumer.


The only fair tax is a consumer tax.
 

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Are there really people who think a modern society can exist without services financed by taxes?
If some services should be added, or some services and govt spending axed to save money, which ones and why?
Would it be right to cut services a majority of the population needs or wants?
Is it a good idea to use tax rules to incentivize/subsidize industries and/or social change?
What would a better/fairer tax system look like? (And why?)

There's a part of Britain which has no income taxes - Bermuda.

Some countries have no income taxes, too - Monaco, the Bahamas, Andorra. They're all very small countries, though.

By the way, Canada's tax rates are one of the highest in the world, at 38%.

America's is 21% and Britain's 19%.