Gun Control is Completely Useless.

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Here is why gun violence is down in America over the last 75 years:

1934
The first piece of national gun control legislation was passed on June 26, 1934. The National Firearms Act (NFA) — part of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s “New Deal for Crime“— was meant to curtail “gangland crimes of that era such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre.”

1938
The Federal Firearms Act (FFA) of 1938 required gun manufacturers, importers, and dealers to obtain a federal firearms license. It also defined a group of people, including convicted felons, who could not purchase guns, and mandated that gun sellers keep customer records. The FFA was repealed in 1968 by the Gun Control Act (GCA), though many of its provisions were reenacted by the GCA.

1939
In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case United States v. Miller, ruling that through the National Firearms Act of 1934, Congress could regulate the interstate selling of a short barrel shotgun. The court stated that there was no evidence that a sawed off shotgun “has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia,” and thus “we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.”

1968
Following the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Attorney General and U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed for the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. The GCA repealed and replaced the FFA, updated Title II of the NFA to fix constitutional issues, added language about “destructive devices” (such as bombs, mines and grenades) and expanded the definition of “machine gun.”

1986
In 1986 the Firearm Owners Protection Act was passed by Congress. The law mainly enacted protections for gun owners — prohibiting a national registry of dealer records, limiting ATF inspections to once per year (unless there are multiple infractions), softening what is defined as “engaging in the business” of selling firearms, and allowing licensed dealers to sell firearms at “gun shows” in their state. It also loosened regulations on the sale and transfer of ammunition.

The bill also codified some gun control measures, including expanding the GCA to prohibit civilian ownership or transfer of machine guns made after May 19, 1986, and redefining “silencer” to include parts intended to make silencers.

1993
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 is named after White House press secretary James Brady, who was permanently disabled from an injury suffered during an attempt to assassinate President Ronald Reagan. (Brady died in 2014). It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. The law, which amends the GCA, requires that background checks be completed before a gun is purchased from a licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer. It established the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is maintained by the FBI.

1994
Tucked into the sweeping and controversial Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, signed by President Clinton in 1994, is the subsection titled Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act. This is known as the assault weapons ban — a temporary prohibition in effect from September of 1994 to September of 2004. Multiple attempts to renew the ban have failed.

Many efforts to control guns and gun violence have been tried.

The battle continues


It's strange how many people can't get it through their thick heads, that the violence has very little to do with guns, guns don't point and fire themselves...………………….bloody imbeciles!
 

Colpy

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Here is why gun violence is down in America over the last 75 years:

1934
The first piece of national gun control legislation was passed on June 26, 1934. The National Firearms Act (NFA) — part of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s “New Deal for Crime“— was meant to curtail “gangland crimes of that era such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre.”

1938
The Federal Firearms Act (FFA) of 1938 required gun manufacturers, importers, and dealers to obtain a federal firearms license. It also defined a group of people, including convicted felons, who could not purchase guns, and mandated that gun sellers keep customer records. The FFA was repealed in 1968 by the Gun Control Act (GCA), though many of its provisions were reenacted by the GCA.

1939
In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case United States v. Miller, ruling that through the National Firearms Act of 1934, Congress could regulate the interstate selling of a short barrel shotgun. The court stated that there was no evidence that a sawed off shotgun “has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia,” and thus “we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.”

1968
Following the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Attorney General and U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed for the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. The GCA repealed and replaced the FFA, updated Title II of the NFA to fix constitutional issues, added language about “destructive devices” (such as bombs, mines and grenades) and expanded the definition of “machine gun.”

1986
In 1986 the Firearm Owners Protection Act was passed by Congress. The law mainly enacted protections for gun owners — prohibiting a national registry of dealer records, limiting ATF inspections to once per year (unless there are multiple infractions), softening what is defined as “engaging in the business” of selling firearms, and allowing licensed dealers to sell firearms at “gun shows” in their state. It also loosened regulations on the sale and transfer of ammunition.

The bill also codified some gun control measures, including expanding the GCA to prohibit civilian ownership or transfer of machine guns made after May 19, 1986, and redefining “silencer” to include parts intended to make silencers.

1993
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 is named after White House press secretary James Brady, who was permanently disabled from an injury suffered during an attempt to assassinate President Ronald Reagan. (Brady died in 2014). It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. The law, which amends the GCA, requires that background checks be completed before a gun is purchased from a licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer. It established the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is maintained by the FBI.

1994
Tucked into the sweeping and controversial Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, signed by President Clinton in 1994, is the subsection titled Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act. This is known as the assault weapons ban — a temporary prohibition in effect from September of 1994 to September of 2004. Multiple attempts to renew the ban have failed.

Many efforts to control guns and gun violence have been tried.

The battle continues


Sigh


Do some research before you post....PLEASE!!! Or was it just convenient you quit in 1994?



The US murder rate in 1994 was 9.0 per 100,000.


https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014


Since then, almost every state has introduced right to carry laws, either requiring minimal training or "constitutional carry" requiring no training or license.


Like this illustrates very well:


https://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php



The "assault weapons ban" was allowed to die in 2004. It had a "sunset clause" of 10 years, studies showed it had no positive effect, and the Congress refused to renew it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban


In 2008, the Supreme Court ruled that the right to keep and bear arms was an individual right, and a number of areas subsequently have had too strict gun laws shut down. (Washington DC, Chicago, and San Francisco et al, if memory serves)


https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Heller+decision


So, less guns you think?


In 1994 the USA either manufactured or imported 2.3 million firearms.


In 2018 the USA either manufactured or imported just under 5 million firearms.


https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/report/2019-firearms-commerce-report/download



The murder rate in 2017, after 20 years plus of easing firearms restrictions?


5.3 per 100,000................a 41% DECREASE, while laws were eased, and gun sales went through the roof.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate



And I hear the rate dropped in 2018.........but I haven't seen the data yet.


The facts speak for themselves......less gun laws, more guns, less murder.


Explain please.


Or..........consider yourself owned.
 
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26. The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as denying the existence of any other rights or freedoms that exist in Canada.

That seems pretty straight forward and easy to understand.
 

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It's strange how many people can't get it through their thick heads, that the violence has very little to do with guns, guns don't point and fire themselves...………………….bloody imbeciles!
All violence has plummeted. Gun laws did nothing to help reduce non-gun violence but it sure plummeted. Why can't people grasp that?
 

JLM

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All violence has plummeted. Gun laws did nothing to help reduce non-gun violence but it sure plummeted. Why can't people grasp that?


Because the media outlets make money off it. People just gobble up that shit which attracts scads of advertisers.
 

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Gun control really works — here's the science to prove it

https://www.businessinsider.com/science-of-gun-control-what-works-2018-2

There are more than 38,000 gun deaths in the US every year, and approximately 85,000 non-fatal injuries.

Despite some restrictions on gun research, scientists have sought to evaluate how certain policies affect gun deaths.

read em and weep
Policies that seem to reduce rates of gun violence include stricter background checks, limiting access to dangerous weapons, and prohibiting domestic abusers from owning weapons.
 

petros

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Gun control really works — here's the science to prove it
Policies that seem to reduce rates of gun violence include stricter background checks, limiting access to dangerous weapons, and prohibiting domestic abusers from owning weapons.
Seem to? You call that the "science to prove it"?

That's a guess. Real science never guesses
 

Hoid

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You're a climate change denier.

Nobody cares what you think about science.
 
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Colpy

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Gun control really works — here's the science to prove it

https://www.businessinsider.com/science-of-gun-control-what-works-2018-2

There are more than 38,000 gun deaths in the US every year, and approximately 85,000 non-fatal injuries.

Despite some restrictions on gun research, scientists have sought to evaluate how certain policies affect gun deaths.

read em and weep
Policies that seem to reduce rates of gun violence include stricter background checks, limiting access to dangerous weapons, and prohibiting domestic abusers from owning weapons.


Yeah, don't address my post,.


Of course, you can't.


EXPLAIN, dumbass, why murder rates DROPPED significantly between 1994 and 2018 in the USA, despite record gun sales, the emergence of the right to carry handguns across the USA, and significant roll backs in gun legislation.


And considering that FACT, cited BTW, I can completely discount the article you quote, which pretends murder rates rose after concealed carry became a thing. Liars. Like all gun grabbers.


You see, I deal in FACTS, not the opinions of lying pricks with an agenda.


A 41% decrease in the US murder rate.


Compare to Canada..........in 1994 the murder rate was 1.98 per 100,000.


We had just passed one ludicrous gun law, and in 1995 passed a law (the Firearms Act) that was so convoluted, restrictive, expensive, unconstitutional, and oppressive that it set a new benchmark for bad law in Canada.


In Canada, in 2017,the murder rate was 1.8 per 100,000. A drop of 10%, compared to the 41% drop the USA experienced at a time of radically loosening laws.


You're owned still.
 

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Gun violence has dropped because gun control measures are having their intended effect.
 

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Here is why gun violence is down in America over the last 75 years:
1934
The first piece of national gun control legislation was passed on June 26, 1934. The National Firearms Act (NFA) — part of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s “New Deal for Crime“— was meant to curtail “gangland crimes of that era such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre.”
1938
The Federal Firearms Act (FFA) of 1938 required gun manufacturers, importers, and dealers to obtain a federal firearms license. It also defined a group of people, including convicted felons, who could not purchase guns, and mandated that gun sellers keep customer records. The FFA was repealed in 1968 by the Gun Control Act (GCA), though many of its provisions were reenacted by the GCA.
1939
In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case United States v. Miller, ruling that through the National Firearms Act of 1934, Congress could regulate the interstate selling of a short barrel shotgun. The court stated that there was no evidence that a sawed off shotgun “has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia,” and thus “we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.”
1968
Following the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Attorney General and U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed for the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. The GCA repealed and replaced the FFA, updated Title II of the NFA to fix constitutional issues, added language about “destructive devices” (such as bombs, mines and grenades) and expanded the definition of “machine gun.”
1986
In 1986 the Firearm Owners Protection Act was passed by Congress. The law mainly enacted protections for gun owners — prohibiting a national registry of dealer records, limiting ATF inspections to once per year (unless there are multiple infractions), softening what is defined as “engaging in the business” of selling firearms, and allowing licensed dealers to sell firearms at “gun shows” in their state. It also loosened regulations on the sale and transfer of ammunition.
The bill also codified some gun control measures, including expanding the GCA to prohibit civilian ownership or transfer of machine guns made after May 19, 1986, and redefining “silencer” to include parts intended to make silencers.
1993
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 is named after White House press secretary James Brady, who was permanently disabled from an injury suffered during an attempt to assassinate President Ronald Reagan. (Brady died in 2014). It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. The law, which amends the GCA, requires that background checks be completed before a gun is purchased from a licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer. It established the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is maintained by the FBI.
1994
Tucked into the sweeping and controversial Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, signed by President Clinton in 1994, is the subsection titled Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act. This is known as the assault weapons ban — a temporary prohibition in effect from September of 1994 to September of 2004. Multiple attempts to renew the ban have failed.
Many efforts to control guns and gun violence have been tried.
The battle continues
ANd yet criminals still have guns despite it being against the law. Obviously more gun laws do not work. Whereas lengthy prion sentences have been proven 100% effective at keeping convicted felons off the street.