Gun Control is Completely Useless.

JamesBondo

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Canada is not Australia.

You are failing to consider the critical koala factor in reducing violence.


When I google ' koala factor in reducing violence' I get the following search result:


' You are talking to someone that has his own head so far up his ass, hls nickname resembles the brandname of a small engine found in ice augers.'
 

JamesBondo

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so yo claim you "got no legitimate interest and no say in the matter. And want none"......................................


so when can we expect you to shut up and fcuk



off back home???????????????????????????????


go mind your own cabbage patch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




😂😂😂😂😂
 

Curious Cdn

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So yo claim you "got no legitimate interest and no say in the matter. And want none"......................................


so WHEN CAN WE EXPECT YOU TO SHUT UP AND FCUK



OFF back home???????????????????????????????


Go mind your own cabbage patch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AND YES- people like me have MANY TIMES ADVOCATED



for greater effort to keep guns out of the hands of criminals!!!!


One way of reducing gun crime would be...................



TIGHTER IMMIGRATION LAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AS it stands now - LIE-berals are letting in a whole pile of



people who lack the ability to succeed here due to language



and education limitations - and a lot of them are buying into



the VILE "SYSTEMIC RACIST" GARBAGE NARRATIVE!!!!!


There are enough unemployed WHITE PEOPLE OUT there


TO PROVE that lack of education........................


ENSURES UNEMPLOYMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Whining about skin pigmentation is not a defense..................


against being ignorant and thus............................


unemployed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals who are DEDICATED TO BUYING VOTES



so they can cling to power at any price......................


have created a legal system where the WORST THING



that can happen to a convicted immigrant criminal.................


is they get a FREE RIDE BACK HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then have to sneak back to Canada as an ILLEGAL


using FAKE ID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Total fecking whack job ...
 

Colpy

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GUNTER: UCP firearms motion first step in firewall against feds' meddling

Lorne Gunter

Published: November 29, 2019





File photo. Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun/Post

On Wednesday, the UCP passed a government motion to “support the ability of Albertans to lawfully and in a responsible manner own and possess firearms.”


While it’s only a motion, not a law, it’s more than just window dressing.


It’s widely expected that once the House of Commons reconvenes next week, one of the Trudeau government’s first orders of business will be a gun ban. The Kenney government is trying to get out ahead of this latest gun grab.


So how does a motion in the Alberta legislature prevent the federal confiscation of hundreds of thousands of legally owned firearms?


It’s likely the federal government will not seize guns directly. Rather, Ottawa will grant municipalities the authority to ban guns within city limits.


But there is an intermediate step — a step that makes Wednesday’s UCP motion important.


Municipalities are the legal offspring of provincial governments. Thus, any municipal ban granted by Ottawa would likely require further approval from each province.


Wednesday’s motion signals that the Kenney government has no intention of granting Alberta’s cities, towns and counties the power to ban guns here.


This is Alberta, we don’t take guns away from lawful owners in the ludicrous belief that somehow that will prevent drug dealers and gang members from shooting one another.


Gun crime in Toronto has escalated this year. So, of course, because the Trudeau government draws a third of its seats from the Greater Toronto Area, any problem in Toronto is mistaken for a national problem.


City council in Liberal-loving Montreal has also passed a motion requesting Ottawa ban handguns.


However, the feds seem reluctant to take direct action on a national scale. Studies done for cabinet earlier this year showed very few legal guns are used in crimes. Most crime guns are smuggled in from the States. So barring duck hunters and sport shooters from owning guns will do almost nothing to stop Toronto’s gun spree.


The current federal government, though, often (always?) confuses symbolism for substance. All guns are bad in their minds, so banning any guns is good.


However, they are also politically crafty. They remember how the gun registry debate in the early 2000s split their caucus, so they are just as happy to let municipalities do the heavy lifting this time.


That’s why Wednesday’s motion, moved by UCP Environment Minister Jason Nixon, is so important. You could say it’s part of the Kenney government’s Fair Deal/firewall strategy, too. Any time Alberta gets a chance to thwart federal meddling, it’s going to block Ottawa in favour of made-in-Alberta solutions.


Wednesday’s motion did not occur in a vacuum, either.


Recall that one of the actions Kenney’s Fair Deal panel of eminent Albertans is tasked with examining is the appointment of the chief firearms officer for Alberta. Currently Ottawa selects the CFO. But it might be wiser for Alberta to choose for itself the person who will interpret and enforce firearms regulations.


It might also be smart to create a provincial police force to replace the Mounties in Alberta. Most Mounties are fine people, but their marching orders come ultimately from Ottawa. So with increasing frequency, the RCMP’s enforcement methods are out of touch with Albertans’ thinking.


Take Okotoks farmer Eddie Maurice as an example. Last winter when he fired warning shots at two intruders on his rural property, Maurice was the first one arrested by RCMP. That’s an Ottawa mentality that probably could be avoided with an APP (Alberta Provincial Police).


Earlier this month, the Kenney government took the first step towards creating an APP when it increased the duties and power of provincial wildlife officers and Sheriffs.


Making law enforcement in Alberta — including firearms enforcement — more provincial, can’t be bad.


https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/col...8bCZLFyzfx0Er3sjIAb8XMOxg0#Echobox=1575036854
 

pgs

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GUNTER: UCP firearms motion first step in firewall against feds' meddling

Lorne Gunter

Published: November 29, 2019





File photo. Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun/Post

On Wednesday, the UCP passed a government motion to “support the ability of Albertans to lawfully and in a responsible manner own and possess firearms.”


While it’s only a motion, not a law, it’s more than just window dressing.


It’s widely expected that once the House of Commons reconvenes next week, one of the Trudeau government’s first orders of business will be a gun ban. The Kenney government is trying to get out ahead of this latest gun grab.


So how does a motion in the Alberta legislature prevent the federal confiscation of hundreds of thousands of legally owned firearms?


It’s likely the federal government will not seize guns directly. Rather, Ottawa will grant municipalities the authority to ban guns within city limits.


But there is an intermediate step — a step that makes Wednesday’s UCP motion important.


Municipalities are the legal offspring of provincial governments. Thus, any municipal ban granted by Ottawa would likely require further approval from each province.


Wednesday’s motion signals that the Kenney government has no intention of granting Alberta’s cities, towns and counties the power to ban guns here.


This is Alberta, we don’t take guns away from lawful owners in the ludicrous belief that somehow that will prevent drug dealers and gang members from shooting one another.


Gun crime in Toronto has escalated this year. So, of course, because the Trudeau government draws a third of its seats from the Greater Toronto Area, any problem in Toronto is mistaken for a national problem.


City council in Liberal-loving Montreal has also passed a motion requesting Ottawa ban handguns.


However, the feds seem reluctant to take direct action on a national scale. Studies done for cabinet earlier this year showed very few legal guns are used in crimes. Most crime guns are smuggled in from the States. So barring duck hunters and sport shooters from owning guns will do almost nothing to stop Toronto’s gun spree.


The current federal government, though, often (always?) confuses symbolism for substance. All guns are bad in their minds, so banning any guns is good.


However, they are also politically crafty. They remember how the gun registry debate in the early 2000s split their caucus, so they are just as happy to let municipalities do the heavy lifting this time.


That’s why Wednesday’s motion, moved by UCP Environment Minister Jason Nixon, is so important. You could say it’s part of the Kenney government’s Fair Deal/firewall strategy, too. Any time Alberta gets a chance to thwart federal meddling, it’s going to block Ottawa in favour of made-in-Alberta solutions.


Wednesday’s motion did not occur in a vacuum, either.


Recall that one of the actions Kenney’s Fair Deal panel of eminent Albertans is tasked with examining is the appointment of the chief firearms officer for Alberta. Currently Ottawa selects the CFO. But it might be wiser for Alberta to choose for itself the person who will interpret and enforce firearms regulations.


It might also be smart to create a provincial police force to replace the Mounties in Alberta. Most Mounties are fine people, but their marching orders come ultimately from Ottawa. So with increasing frequency, the RCMP’s enforcement methods are out of touch with Albertans’ thinking.


Take Okotoks farmer Eddie Maurice as an example. Last winter when he fired warning shots at two intruders on his rural property, Maurice was the first one arrested by RCMP. That’s an Ottawa mentality that probably could be avoided with an APP (Alberta Provincial Police).


Earlier this month, the Kenney government took the first step towards creating an APP when it increased the duties and power of provincial wildlife officers and Sheriffs.


Making law enforcement in Alberta — including firearms enforcement — more provincial, can’t be bad.


https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/col...8bCZLFyzfx0Er3sjIAb8XMOxg0#Echobox=1575036854
The more power that the provinces can wrench back from Ottawant the better .
 

petros

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I thought the handgun thing was for Toronto ...
"...Ontario, with 69 more victims than in 2017, reported the largest year-over-year increase and the highest number of homicides since data collection began in 1961.This resulted in the highest homicide rate in Ontario since 1991 (1.86 per 100,000 population).
The record number for Ontario was mostly the result of the increase of 49 homicides that occurred in the census metropolitan area (CMA) of Toronto."
That sounds like a handgun ban would be advisable in Toronto.
Up to them
That sounds like a major gang crackdown would be advisable in Toronto.
 

petros

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Colpy;2795665 Take Okotoks farmer Eddie Maurice as an example. Last winter when he fired warning shots at two intruders on his rural property said:
https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-ucp-firearms-motion-first-step-in-firewall-against-feds-meddling?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2dfe6wFu1lVrzxbRypg0SNSsAqTAtFR8bCZLFyzfx0Er3sjIAb8XMOxg0#Echobox=1575036854[/url]
Kenney is doing what Moe did a year ago minus the trespassing laws. It's impossible to walk into a hardware store in SK and walk out with No Tresspassing or No Hunting signs.
 

Hoid

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GUNTER: UCP firearms motion first step in firewall against feds' meddling
Lorne Gunter
Published: November 29, 2019
File photo. Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun/Post
On Wednesday, the UCP passed a government motion to “support the ability of Albertans to lawfully and in a responsible manner own and possess firearms.”

Why is this necessary if their is already a right to own guns?
 

Colpy

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Why is this necessary if their is already a right to own guns?


Because the clear right to keep arms in Canada is denied by the federal gov't and the courts, who seem to believe that rights exist at the pleasure of gov't, which is of course completely ludicrous.
 

Colpy

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The correct answer is : because there is no right to own guns in Canada


You have heard of precedent in English Common Law?


You do know that our constitutional heritage includes documents from English constitutional law dating back to the Magna Carta of 1215? If not, you do now.


*In Canada, the Bill of Rights remains in statute, although it has been largely superseded by domestic constitutional legislation. The ninth article on parliamentary freedom of speech remains in active use*.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689#Canada


The thing is, a gov't can not legitimately "supersede" rights already recognized. If they can, then you have no rights, as rights are protections from and limitations on gov't power. If they exist at the pleasure of gov't, they do not exist at all.


Now, to the declaration, which has some interesting points:


And thereupon the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons, pursuant to their respective letters and elections, being now assembled in a full and free representative of this nation, taking into their most serious consideration the best means for attaining the ends aforesaid, do in the first place (as their ancestors in like case have usually done) for the vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties declare..........


That the pretended power of suspending the laws or the execution of laws by regal authority without consent of Parliament is illegal;
That the pretended power of dispensing with laws or the execution of laws by regal authority, as it hath been assumed and exercised of late, is illegal;
That the commission for erecting the late Court of Commissioners for Ecclesiastical Causes, and all other commissions and courts of like nature, are illegal and pernicious;
That levying money for or to the use of the Crown by pretence of prerogative, without grant of Parliament, for longer time, or in other manner than the same is or shall be granted, is illegal;
That it is the right of the subjects to petition the king, and all commitments and prosecutions for such petitioning are illegal;
That the raising or keeping a standing army within the kingdom in time of peace, unless it be with consent of Parliament, is against law;
That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;
That election of members of Parliament ought to be free;
That the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament;
That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted;
That jurors ought to be duly impanelled and returned, and jurors which pass upon men in trials for high treason ought to be freeholders;
That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void;
And that for redress of all grievances, and for the amending, strengthening and preserving of the laws, Parliaments ought to be held frequently.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/england.asp


First of all, and most importantly, note that the people that penned this Bill of Rights were smart enough not to pretend to grant those rights, but are "vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties"


Also notice the foundation of a free society is laid in this document. Restrictions on the Monarch's ability to over ride Parliament, to raise taxes without Parliament, a ban on cruel and unusual punishment, protection for free elections, and the requirement that Parliament sit "frequently".


Understand that signing this Bill was the prerequisite to William taking the throne.


And, looking at the specific reference to arms, notice the right is limited, so licensing in Canada is fully legitimate. Also notice that the right is for "defense" of the person.....denied in Canada.


So, unless you believe rights exist at the whim of the state, then there is a right to keep arms for defense in Canada.
 
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spilledthebeer

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Total fecking whack job ...




Oh but YOU WOULD BE an expert in "WHACKERY"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I guess that is why you support Joe Clark.........................


WHO???????????????????????


And are drawn to that DELUSIONAL.......................


LIE-beral Lite GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hoid

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If there was a right to own guns in canada Kenney would not need to try and manufacture one.
 

Hoid

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If there was a right to own guns in Canada kenney would not be trying to invent one.