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But I think he had a point. What does JT mean by diversity? Does he mean that it's a confluence of many cultures, races, religions all living together and respecting and accepting each others' beliefs OR does he mean that some are better than others and needn't have to accept what others may believe and, more importantly, do not tolerate differences of view/opinions? I believe that JT is encouraging and is accepting of the latte


JMHO


Truthfully...

I think he means both.

Most politicians mean both.


Cause both are just as viable, just depends on where you are.

No politician, IMO, will ever be for one or the other, because being for just one of those opinions is political suicide.

Chretien did it, Harper did it, JT does it.



In the end it won't change what so ever.
 

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Multi culti is promoting everyone that comes here to bring their culture, ideals etc with them. Which is fine to a point, but often these cultures are diametrically opposed to each other like democracy and sharia law. Not compatable. We need to have something in common to identify with in order to be a strong society. I just don't see how that can happen when we promote our differences. Or some groups have more rights than others based on skin colour, religion or whatever.
 

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I forgot that the individual who stated opposition to diversity also stated that "unity" was far more important.


What is the mantra: united we stand; divided we fall? I believe we have far more in common than not. Identity politics has no place in a country like ours. We don't need it; it's divisive.
 

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Read balkanization...It was "divide and conquer" up untill the balkans happened.
 

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Democracy and human rights don't particularly go together but that doesn't stop us


Here is an article that LIE-berals will find awkward. With some comments of my own in brackets):

GUEST COLUMN: It's capitalism, not big government, that improves environment

Special to Postmedia Network. Published: March 26, 2018. Updated: March 26, 2018 5:56 PM EDT

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By Matthew Lau

The common refrain of climate-concerned Liberals, to justify massive government interference of commerce and wasteful environment subsidies and spending, is that “the environment and the economy go together.” Carbon taxes, stricter fuel regulations, restrictions on international trade – all these things, we are told, will bring both economic and environmental benefit.

(WE now have more than enough evidence to state emphatically that LIE-beral carbon crap only benefits LIE-berals and their allies; and their carbon crap only cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air!)

The federal government recently announced its “Low Carbon Economy Challenge.” More than $500-million in corporate welfare and other spending was justified as part of a plan to ensure “a safe climate, healthy environment, and prosperous future.” When Liberals announce millions of dollars in unnecessary costs for taxpayers, consumers, and private industry, the country becomes richer and the environment becomes cleaner. Amazing!

(Is it not ODD that Wynne-bag Ontari-owe LIE-berals began their implementation of carbon credits by EXEMPTING the 150 biggest companies in Ontari-owe? Just as in Europe- a carbon tax is a job killer and the LIE-beral version which is so closely modelled on the European version- will result in the new tax being paid
ONLY by small biz and ordinary people! While tax revenue from carbon crap will be used to maintain the LIE-beral gravy train for their pals!)

There is, however, a major problem with the Liberal narrative. It’s that in the past few centuries, mankind (or peoplekind, according to the Prime Minister) has become spectacularly richer while the environment has become far cleaner. This happened even before Justin Trudeau, Rachel Notley, and Kathleen Wynne arrived on the scene to carbon-tax-and-spend humanity into prosperity and cleanliness.

What is the source of the material prosperity and environmental cleanliness we enjoy today? The answer is capitalism, trade, and fossil fuels – not government control, taxes, and subsidized solar power. For example, cities were cleaned by the invention and widespread use of automobiles, which rid the streets of horses and manure that attracted flies and disease. The invention of refrigerators improved cleanliness by curtailing bacteria growth in food. The window screen – another product of private industry – keeps homes clean from insects.

And then there’s soap. A couple centuries ago, soap was homemade, and involved boiling water mixed with ashes mixed with fat over an open fire for hours. Most people bathed only once monthly and rarely washed their hair. When they did wash, the soap left residue after being used. Today, thanks to profit-driven businesses, the quality of soap is much better and is affordable even for the poor – though not in socialist Venezuela, where people are dying because even some hospitals have no soap.

On a larger scale, the story is the same – capitalism cleans. In the 1980s, the Communist world suffered far worse pollution than the free world. The United Nations declared East Germany the most polluted country in Europe and Greenpeace said it was the most polluted in the world. According to a Fraser Institute study from 2014 examining more than 100 countries over the span of a decade, the most economically free countries “experience much cleaner air quality” than the countries with the least economic freedom.

Of course, government does have some responsibility to constrain pollution. Property rights and a justice system that protects people from damage to their person and property are important both for environmental protection and economic growth. But when government oversteps these boundaries with arbitrary and wasteful subsidies and regulation, the economy and environment both suffer.

Some people might point to global warming as a failure of free markets. However, as economics professor Don Boudreaux has explained, the alleged consequences of global warming – filth, starvation, and shorter life expectancy – “are not the recent consequences of climate change. They are the ages-old consequences of persistent and widespread poverty.”

(LIE-berals are right to be concerned about climate change! The problem is that NO LIE-beral policy or program ADDRESSES climate change in any effective way! LIE-berals REFUSE to take REAL action on climate change because it might cost them VOTES from Hogs)

(LIE-berals want to blame climate change on the waitress who drives her car home after finishing her late shift because she does not feel safe on the streets late at night thanks to LIE-beral judges and their “catch and release” handling of career criminals!)

(LIE-berals want to punish people who regularly drive because they live in places not well served by public transit! LIE-berals do not care that you cannot find a decent place to live near your work because the available options either cost too much since you cannot afford to bid against civil service union Hogs or because you do not wish to live in or near TCHC slum landlords with their collection of tenant pimps, criminals, prostitutes and drug addicts!)

(LIE-berals blame the waitress while IGNORING the masses of gravy train riding civil service union Hogs ripping through the countryside on atv`s and snowmobiles and Sea-doos! And LIE-berals blame car drivers for pollution while ignoring the electrically powered compressed air bubble systems that run 6 months per year and prevent ice from forming around the valuable cedar docks of Hog cottagers!)

(LIE-berals IGNORE the evidence that CONDEMNS airplanes for providing the MAJOR CONTRIBUTION to global warming- while also ignoring the reality that it is overpaid Hogs who do most of the flying!)

(LIE-berals do not to discuss the fact that air quality across the planet IMPROVED in the year after the 9/11 terror attack when 25 percent of the world airline fleet was grounded! LIE-berals also ignore the compelling evidence that “contrails” those white lines of water vapour produced by high flying jets are the LEADING CAUSE of global warming!)

(Yes- LIE-berals refuse to discuss the truth- that the quickest way to reverse global warming is to cut back on gravy for Hogs! WE know that those with the biggest carbon foot print are also those with the highest wages and Hogs consistently get at least ONE THIRD HIGHER PAY than other Cdns! And of course Hog pension are so lavish that it is ILLEGAL for citizens in private companies to get such a rate of return on pension investment as Hogs are entitled to!)

Across countries and over time, the consequences of widespread poverty were conquered only when and where societies embraced capitalism and trade. Boudreaux therefore concluded that “the worst environmental calamity is the absence of capitalism.” The evidence shows this to apply to climate calamity, too.

According to environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg, the death risk from climate-related disaster has plummeted 99% in the past century. Surely these happy results cannot be attributed to the climate-driven economic interventions enacted by modern politicians.

Matthew Lau is an economics writer in Toronto and a contributor to Canadians for Affordable Energy.

(LIE-berals are clearly NOT driven by climate change issue! Rather, LIE-berals use climate change issues as a false front for their selfish and irresponsible mouldy green SCAMS!)

(The LIE-beral implementation of mouldy green renewable energy projects in Ontari-owe DID NOT lead to cleaner air here- for the simple reason that mouldy green energy is so unreliable that natural gas fired electrical generators MUST be kept fully fired up- 24/7- and ready to take over the very instant the sun stops shining or the wind fails to blow as expected!)

(LIE-berals claim they are helping the environment by converting 2 coal fired plants to burn natural gas instead- and one must agree that it is a help- though it is A DROP IN THE ATMOSPHERIC BUCKET since natural gas is still a fossil fuel- though cleaner than coal!!!!!!)

(If LIE-berals were animated by climate concern rather than the pursuit of gravy- then WHY did they buy into a Yankee electrical generating company that USES COAL generators?)

(If LIE-berals were truly the environmentalists and spound money managers they CLAIM to be, then why are they DUMPING water- meaning diverting water AWAY from hydro dams im order to make room for their mouldy green and very costly wind and solar power?)

(LIE-beral environmental policy is a TOTAL FAILURE- that only cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air!)
 

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I have no idea what the situation at the university of Connecticut (other than their basketball team) but I wonder what it is going to be like when they get out into the real world.



Will employers be forced to hire a dog(s) if the work is too stressful for the SJW's? Would not surprise me one bit.!
 

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Multi culti is promoting everyone that comes here to bring their culture, ideals etc with them. Which is fine to a point, but often these cultures are diametrically opposed to each other like democracy and sharia law. Not compatable.


I do agree that those two ideas are not compatible. But there's more in common with other world cultures than the few that might not compare or be compatible with us. Besides, that's what the law is for; in the end everyone is supposed to be equal under the law, and if what they do breaks the laws, they pay the price.

I think more good can come from multiculturalism than bad, it just has to be applied right. A lot of times it is, sometimes it's not.



We need to have something in common to identify with in order to be a strong society.


I think just being human is a start. Look, I'm not saying all people who believe in Sharia law are going to change, but some can, if exposed to other ideas, and if not them, then their next generations. I see it like this: multiculturalism is like discussions of opinions. Get people of the same opinion talking, eventually it's just a big agreement to the opinions and then forming a group to push that opinion out further, certain that you are right and all others are wrong. Multiculturalism lets people from all different opinions say their peace, learning other views and learning to embrace those views, or disagree but still be good with people. Wider acceptance of opposing views happens and that's a good thing compared to the "stand with us and live, against us and perish" of the other group.



I just don't see how that can happen when we promote our differences. Or some groups have more rights than others based on skin colour, religion or whatever.


So are those 'more rights than others' inclusive of whites, or just anyone not white?


Honest question because I honestly don't think anyone has more 'rights' per say than anyone else. Rather it's more complicated than that.
 

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It would be helpful if our children were taught the truth, part of which should be that decisions made 150 years ago also be put in the context of the times. It would be wonderful if everything fell into two categories right or wrong but the fact is that there are a lot of grey areas that need to also be brought to light.
You're right. 150 years back, nobody knew slavery and genocide were wrong.
 

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This is absolutely correct! It is essential that we teach our children and young folk that neither America nor Canada has ever done any harm to anybody, but have been sources of unending blessings to all, and that the unstinting gratitude of blacks, browns, yellows, reds, and pinks is our just reward for our f*cking awesomeness!


One should look back in ones own history and understand that conquest and slavery were once well established on this continent, long before Germans invented the spoon. You get along and correct the wrongs your own genes done long ages of rape and pillage. There is no race on this planet whats innocent it is just that the white mans time draws to another crash. An examination of extant NA native history has every common human brutality trait and conquest and subjugation by slavery.


That,s a bold statement brother, bordering on racist. I,m a colour blind mechanic, I don,t care what colour the machine is nor it,s guiding superstition. It either meshes to conform to matter or it malfunctions. My granddaughters are Salish BC Salish.


Coast Salish - Wikipedia


[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_Salish

[/URL]The Coast Salish is a group of ethnically and linguistically related Indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast, living in British Columbia, Canada and the ...


They are the job given to me by the powers that be, they are my only worthy function here this time arround, I scored a double plus good there you know. I have seven or eight other grandchildren of above interestinglyness as well. I have already laid the foundations of my Imperial design. Even death cannot but temporarily exclude me from global conquest. I just have to have it all.
 

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I do agree that those two ideas are not compatible. But there's more in common with other world cultures than the few that might not compare or be compatible with us. Besides, that's what the law is for; in the end everyone is supposed to be equal under the law, and if what they do breaks the laws, they pay the price.
I think more good can come from multiculturalism than bad, it just has to be applied right. A lot of times it is, sometimes it's not.
I think just being human is a start. Look, I'm not saying all people who believe in Sharia law are going to change, but some can, if exposed to other ideas, and if not them, then their next generations. I see it like this: multiculturalism is like discussions of opinions. Get people of the same opinion talking, eventually it's just a big agreement to the opinions and then forming a group to push that opinion out further, certain that you are right and all others are wrong. Multiculturalism lets people from all different opinions say their peace, learning other views and learning to embrace those views, or disagree but still be good with people. Wider acceptance of opposing views happens and that's a good thing compared to the "stand with us and live, against us and perish" of the other group.
So are those 'more rights than others' inclusive of whites, or just anyone not white?
Honest question because I honestly don't think anyone has more 'rights' per say than anyone else. Rather it's more complicated than that.
That would include some whites. Not into writing an essay right now but Quebec's language laws would be a prime example of some whites having more rights than others.
 

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i have no idea what the situation at the university of connecticut (other than their basketball team) but i wonder what it is going to be like when they get out into the real world.
omg omg!

get a freakin' life. The real world is gonna bite you in the ass - hard!
 

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I heard someone say recently that "diversity is not our strength" but that we need to oppose said diversity. Diversity in and of itself is divisive and we should strongly oppose it. Obviously, Trudeau has done a good job of dividing this country so the mantra has meaning for him.


Rather, as JFK said, be judged by the "content of our character" and our actions. Mowich was absolutely correct in saying that history needs to be taught in 'context to the times'; not by Marxist ideology and revisionist history (my words btw).


JMHO




Oh how ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Who would want to eat one kind of Thai food EVERY SINGLE NIGHT????????????????????????


Or one kind of Chinese Food every single night?????????????????????????????


Or fish and chips every single night??????????????????????????????


Some diversity is DELIGHTFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But other kinds of diversity are social POISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some Cdns believe Sharia Law is "the most perfect system"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The majority of Cdns despise Sharia Law as a legal backward step and this diversity is BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some Cdns think United States is the "Great Satan"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Most Cdns are happy associating with Yankees and thus the "Great Satan" view is poisoned diversity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some Cdns believe that groups like Hamas and Hezzbollah and Al Qaida are seekers after justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That view is poisoned Muslim diversity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some people think that Lavalin is a storm in a tea cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that is poisoned LIE-beral diversity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good versions of diversity are amusing and entertaining............................


and sometimes even quite entertaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Food, music, styles of clothing, stories and legends of other cultures.......................


this sort of diversity is FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The OTHER KIND of diversity...........................................


the kind that seeks social, military, economic or religious SUPERIORITY over others............................................



IS CLEARLY BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO WHY are the damned LIE-berals working so very hard to sponsor BAD DIVERSITY???????????????????????


JUST HOW DESPERATELY ARE LIE-berals trying to cling to power at any price????????????????????????
 

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15:53 Pain of 'Trail of Tears' shared by Blacks as well as Native Americans

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African American history, as it is often told, includes two monumental migration stories: the forced exodus of Africans to the Americas during the brutal Middle Passage of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, and the voluntary migration of Black residents who moved from southern farms and towns to northern cities in the early 1900s in search of “the warmth of other suns.” A third African-American migration story–just as epic, just as grave–hovers outside the familiar frame of our historical consciousness. The iconic tragedy of Indian Removal: the Cherokee Trail of Tears that relocated thousands of Cherokees to Indian Territory (now Oklahoma), was also a Black migration. Slaves of Cherokees walked this trail along with their Indian owners.