Open military to non citizens?
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This whole ship procurement REEKS of LIE-beral manipulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it not ODD that the trial of Admiral Norman is heading for a MISTRIAL because LIE-beral friendly civil service union Hogs are refusing to hand out papers Normans lawyers NEED for his defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yet the HOGS CAN send out secret papers to people who ought NOT to have them??????????????
AS I have said before- LIE-berals DO NOT wish to buy ANY WEAPONS for our military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-beral stall and delay is the order of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals happily completed the pair of De Wolf Arctic Patrol ships- because they are virtually UNARMED and are good for rescuing stranded Inuit fishermen - and you may recall a couple of years back that 4 Inuit got stranded on an ice floe- and a Cdn Forces SAR tech died in the rescue due - in part- to there not being any ships in the area!
And the De Wolf patrol vessels are also handy for rescuing stranded cruise ship passengers- and you may recall a Russian cruise ship getting stranded for nearly a week on an uncharted Beaufort Sea rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But our LIE-berals HAVE NO INTENTION of actually completing or taking delivery of DESTROYERS for RCN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At the height of the Cold War- Pierre Trudeau actually tried to disband the Cdn military and abandon our allies and leave us exposed to Soviet aggression!!!!!!!!!!!!
And now we have a new Cold War with Russian Putin, Soviet Red China, radical Islam in Iran and with the lunatic rocket boy of North Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals want to disarm us and abandon our allies and leave us open to Chinese SPIES masquerading as Huawei employees!
And LIE-berals have thrown open the borders to a DELUGE of illegals without the slightest concern that some might be criminals or terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Given a choice between buying the votes of illegals or defending our sovereignty- LIE-berals MUCH PREFER BUYING VOTES SO THEY CAN CLING TO POWER AT ANY PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy Justin is being backed into a corner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have NOT been able to bamboozle either Trump or Cdns on NAFTA- most of us think it is CRAZY to demand gender studies in a trade agreement with another democracy that many Cdns happily visit on a regular basis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The idiot Boy made noises about replacing LOST Yankee trade with Chinese biz- and that blew up in his face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In order to deal with China we would have had to give up huge chunks of sovereignty- so much that even LIE-berals shrank from such concessions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And now we have the entire world talking about Huawei SPIES and Chinese aggression and greed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the words of the Trudeau clan are coming back to HAUNT our LIE-beral overlords!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In his book Two Innocents in Red China- Pierre Trudeau heaped fawning praise on Chinese Chairman Mao "for his genius in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows" during the notorious disaster called The Great Leap Forward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Our idiot Boy tells us "he likes the way the Chinese get things done"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Surely nothing quite labels you more clearly as a Soviet Asshole than praise for MASS MURDER??????????????????????
Nor have LIE-berals have not been able to fool us with regard to their insane carbon crap and trade tax SCAM that is nothing more than a MAJOR GRAVY GRAB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals were very happy to sneer at anybody who scorned the vaunted Paris Accords............and yet just a few short years later.......LIE-berals are telling us Paris Accord is USELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL LIE-beral policy is FAILING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They would still patrol the same airspace and we would still know about it and it would still be done under some sort of agreement.
(edit in norad is not really one of my bugaboo's but I do think it is an extremely wasteful agency)
As far as American presidents interfering with international flights - doubtful.
Poor muddled HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He wants Canada to SURRENDER IMMEDIATELY to any dictator that comes along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But he will fight like a TIGER TOM PROTECT HIS LIE-BERAL SUPPLIED GRAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe that is the best way to protect Cdn sovereignty?????????????????????????????????
Just persuade LIE-berals that they will be able to keep a bigger chunk of gravy under a Conservative govt than under a Chinese Soviet dictatorship led by Our idiot Boy Justin acting as a Chinese PUPPET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would think it isn't Canadian wasteful it is US Airforce funded and Canadian manned
Now you understand why we need some immigrants to man the 'front line'. How would you like that explained 'to them' so they thank us at the same time??
Norman got it 100% right and we got an excellent ship on time, on budget that is already working hard for us while Norman is still forced to build his case against a Liberal government that has no interest in supplying any ships at all.
http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/op...asterix-project-unique-in-its-success-281374/
Great ship, Admiral Mark!
Bravo Zulu!
We need two more of them! Put Norman in charge of ALL of the procurement!
Oh, yeah.
You're the Yank idiot who thinks that the main Battle of Normandy was fought by the Americans against the conscript German units to the West of the beaches and not around Caen where the British and Canadians slugged it out with the SS and Panzer Lehr and German Parachute units for a month.
History according Tom Hanks ... You just mowed the Germans down like grass 'cause they wasn't smart like 'Mericans is.
IS IT NOT AMUSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have been BADLY STUNG by accusations from ALL DIRECTIONS regarding their absolutely TERRIBLE HANDLING of every facet of our national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are have brought in 60,000 mostly Syrian Muslims from
camps run by terror group HAMAS - with the refugees
brought in at HUGE ONGOING COST to Cdns- merely on
the word of TERRORISTS of Hamas that the refugees are
TRUSTWORTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have encouraged tens of thousands of illegals to flood across our borders in a DELUGE of humanity- with no end in sight to that Deluge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And LIE-berals hav been caught out LYING about how many illegals are here and how much it is costing to keep them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even worse LIE-berals have been caught LYING about what sort of security checks are being done on the illegals- apparently the truth is that VIRTUALLY NO CHECKS are being done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The spectacle of a parade of accused Muslim killers all dragged into Cdn courts after making murderous attacks on Cdns is not helping the LIE-beral position regarding their alleged security checks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nor is it helping that most of the Muslim terror attackers in Canada are quick to use the "INSANITY PLEA" as a defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Either Muslim attackers think we are FOOLS - thanks to LIE-beral shameless vote buying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or else the number of INSANE Muslim killers showing up in Canadian courts represents a DAMNING INDICTMENT of LIE-beral indifference to national security and to the UTTER FAILURE of LIE-beral immigration policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If LIE-berals HAD DONE HONEST SECURITY CHECKS then maybe they would not have issued Cdn papers and passports to two members of notorious crime gang MS 13 who were arrested by Yankee border agents as they tried to cross into United States with their brand new Cdn papers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And are LIE-berals NOT ASHAMED that Yankees are doing a BETTER JOB of guarding Canada than Cdn security is allowed to do under LIE-beral RESTRICTIONS designed to suck up to certain ethnic voters???????????????????
LIE-berals have GUTTED our military - never before in our history have we spent so little on defense of any sort!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have been so soft on crime for so long that Canada is setting world records for money laundering by organized crime!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals are so indifferent to Muslim TERRORIST activities that they have tried to tell us we should simply resign ourselves to the bloodshed in the same way we endure snow storms and roads flooded by LIE-beral neglect of storm sewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And now LIE-berals have decided on a BOLD STEP to silence the nay sayers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals will ORDER some new warships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And given the LIE-beral track record - I am sure we can count on the news ships to be delivered with the same speed and careful attention towards quality work that is going into the Bombardier production of vehicles for Toronto Transit Commission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At this time- the ships ordered by LIE-berals are alleged to be state of the art!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But HOW SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the time disgraced LIE-berals are thrown out of office and a new govt untangles the legal crap LIE-berals have wrapped the ship
contracts into and then the new govt actually gets some ships COMPLETED and takes delivery of some new ships- we can expect
that the new ships will be NEARLY OBSOLETE WITH AGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such is the scale and scope of LIE-BERAL BAIT AND SWITCH that we will ALL be very much OLDER before our navy takes delivery of a single ship ordered by LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
... "rush to sign" a procurement that took more than a decade ...
They're "rushing to sign" before the Mark Norman trial proceeds any further and the Irving Shipyard comes out looking like SNC Lavalin.
The unfortunate part is that the Type 26 is likely the far better choice for our navy. The Aussies seem to agree. There are all sorts of advantages to operating versions of the same ship in our alliances. The Americans are also looking for a now Frigate design and Lougheed's ownership of BAE allows the Brits to slap that all-important "Proudly Made in USA" sticker on the prow. It could develop into the "super Frigate" of all of the English-speaking navies with the right armament suites (the Francophone crew of HMCS Ville de Quebec excepted).
Singh wants investigation in SNC-Lavalin case
Ottawa locks down design for $60B warships
If it's the best ship for the future build the damn thing, that goes for the ice breaker supply ships as well, how much is procrastination costing us? If the F-35 is the best plane buy the damn thing how many Billion have we saved from shorting on our NATO agreement? Enough to upgrade our military?
Ottawa locks down design for $60B warships
If it's the best ship for the future build the damn thing, that goes for the ice breaker supply ships as well, how much is procrastination costing us? If the F-35 is the best plane buy the damn thing how many Billion have we saved from shorting on our NATO agreement? Enough to upgrade our military?
Oh congrats to not so Curious Cdn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He has presented all the usual MEANINGLESS TALKING POINTS about the new ships that LIE-berals are PRETENDING TO BUY US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals are merely pretending to buy ships so they can partly escape that nasty label of NATO SLACKER AND TERRORIST ENABLER that they are wearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The BAE type 26 ships are in current use in several allied navies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meaning they have been in development for a decade or so - while weapon and sensor developments have moved on...............
So LIE-berals have seized on this fact to sponsor development of a MODERN NEW SHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The modern new LIE-beral ship can be expected to have all the unreliability issues and mechanical weakness as the Cormorant helicopters purchased by LIE-beral Jean Chretien!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course this PRESUMES that LIE-berals will ever actually take delivery of a new warship so the design failures may be exposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Canada has been in the market for new fighter jets for a DECADE and we are ACTUALLY FARTHER AWAY from buying ANYTHING than we were five years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals do not like the F-35 - so okay FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT WHAT OTHER MODERN NEW AIRCRAFT HAVE LIE-berals purchased?????????????????????
LIE-berals have purchased a few aging nearly antique Australian f 18 fighters as a stop gap- just to get Trump to stop crying NATO SLACKER at Canada for a few minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And while buying the old jets- they have made sure there will be NO PILOTS available to fly them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-beral bait and switch works on the military as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals told us THREE YEARS AGO that they would buy NEW AIRCRAFT and so far their efforts have produced nothing but some lawsuits over purchase terms from aircraft makers who feel they have been unfairly shut out of the "competition"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals are following the lead of Pierre Trudeau who wanted to completely DISBAND the ENTIRE Cdn military - at the height of the Cold War!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And how better to disarm Canada than to let the military ROT OUT without bothering to replace any equipment???????????
LIE-berals think it is DISGRACEFUL that Cdns think LIE-beral gravy should be WASTED on something TRIVIAL like national security and defense!!!!!!!!!!!!
And LIE-berals have decided that holding design competitions for hypothetical ships that do not currently EXIST and may never be built - IS CHEAPER and more politically correct than actually BUYING SHIPS of proven design that DO EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have only to look at the EH 101 helicopter contract to see LIE-beral style weapon procurement in action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Mulroney Conservative govt came to the honest conclusion that our aging Sea King helicopters had become DANGEROUSLY UNRELIABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who wants to fly far out into the stormy Atlantic on a worn out helicopter that has been kept flying by cannibalizing spare parts off other CRASHED helicopters -because the copter you are riding in is SO OLD there are no more new parts left in the entire world?????????????????
So Mulroney arranged to buy EH 101 copters- a powerful and PROVEN state of the art machine IDEAL for Cdn operations over the ocean or Arctic - where any major engine failure would leave you stranded a VERY LONG WAY FROM ANY RESCUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Eh 101 had 3 engines and if one quit -the machine was GUARANTEED to still be able to fly back to base- though it might have to dump assorted gear to lighten the load if the trip was a long one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But LIE-berals do not like wasting THEIR money on weapons so Chretien paid a $500 million dollar penalty to get out of the EH 101 contract!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And of course in the end LIE-berals were forced to buy new copters and could not admit they needed the EH 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So LIE-berals bought Cormorants- a smaller, cheaper, less capable and unproven machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the newly delivered Cormorants immediately began having tail rotor troubles that had not been previously noticed due to how new the machine was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the Cormorant is a 2 engine machine -if an engine dies it is guaranteed not to be WRECKED when it hits the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eh 101 with an engine out- flies back to base!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cormorant with an engine out hits the ground and needs rescuing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who would fly out over the Atlantic in a Cormorant if an Eh 101 was available instead???????????????????????????
Surely even a LIE-beral could answer such a question -IF THEY DARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And of course the smaller Cormorants cannot carry the same cargo as Eh 101 one so Cormorants must often make multiple trips for jobs that an Eh 101 could do in one shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So now LIE-berals are going to "buy" us new ships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And who wants to bet they string out the design process FOREVER because they are only PRETENDING to buy ships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if we actually take delivery of a new LIE-beral ship - who wants to bet it will be as costly and ineffective as all their other military purchases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like the original F 18 fighter purchase of aircraft that had NO BOMB RACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals take DELIGHT in making sure any weapons purchased for Cdn military are as inefficient as possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The F35 is not even close to being the best plane for our national defense.
We are in far greater need of water bombers - as a single example of something that would defend Canadians from actual harm.
The F35 is only good for deployment by our political allies/bosses. For when they need us to bomb someone who doesn't even own an airplane.
We are in far greater need of water bombers - as a single example of something that would defend Canadians from actual harm.
The F35 is only good for deployment by our political allies/bosses. For when they need us to bomb someone who doesn't even own an airplane.
Oh Moose...........being a sensible guy, I am sure you will know the old saying about how a person is not ALWAYS WRONG in every case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jagmeet Singh is DEAD WRONG ON A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But even I have to admit I think he got that one right about investigating SNC Lavelin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the warships.............................NO MOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the LIE-bersals did was sign a contract to DESIGN A SHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since there is NO DESIGN YET ...............there IS NO FIRM PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That $60 billion is an ESTIMATE- based on the cost of other previous ships carrying similar weapons and gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the time LIE-berals get finished screwing with this dogs breakfast- that I remind you THEY DONT WANT TO BUY IN THE FIRST PLACE...................THE FINAL COST COULD BE $180 BILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bear in mind LIE-berals want to drag out the process as slowly as possible- over the longest time possible and run up the cost as much as possible so they will have a financial EXCUSE to buy as FEW WEAPONS AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The LIE-beral destroyer "purchase" is going to set a LIE-beral RECORD for cost over runs and delays and general stupidity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy is going to make Jean Chretien look like a military genius- for paying ONLY $500 million dollars NOT to buy helicopters!!!!!!!!!!!
Compered to Our idiot Boy and his destroyers- Jean Chretien was a brilliant buyer of slightly used British submarines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bait and switch is the LIE-beral mantra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if that doesnt work .............then just TALK the deal to death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You do know that we ARE STILL PAYING for development work on the F 35`s that the idiot Boy says we Are not buying right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for whether the F 35 is the best plane???????????????????????????
At this point ANY new plane would be an improvement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just do not expect LIE-berals to be HONEST about the aircraft purchase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After all it took SEVERAL DECADES before we found out the F 18`s that Pierre Trudeau got pressured into buying HAD NO BOMB RACKS so they could not attack a ship at sea or bomb a ground target!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals ALWAYS INSIST on buying the most costly and least effective weapons............... IF you can get them to buy anything at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1