Manafort, Gates charged with conspiracy against US

EagleSmack

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What...no Russian collusion charges? Treason charges?

Nope... none.

(Dershowitz) went on to argue why Mueller should never have been appointed.

“A special counsel has to produce results, unlike a normal U.S. attorney,” Dershowitz said. “If an normal U.S. attorney investigates a case and there’s nothing there, it just goes away.”

“But if a special counsel is appointed and he’s given tens of millions dollars and a large staff and comes up with nothing, he’s failed,” the lawyer added.

In May, U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis III raised the issue of Mueller’s team indicting Manafort for crimes unrelated to the Russian investigation in hopes of getting him to “sing” against Trump.

“You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort,” the judge charged. “You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead you to Mr. Trump and an impeachment, or whatever.”

Exactly.
 

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Charges against Manafort in this trial

False tax returns - 5 counts

Failure to report foreign banks accounts - 4 counts

Loans from Citizen bank - 4 counts - related to false claims made to secure a loan -

Loan from Banc of California -2 counts - similar to above

Loans from Federal Savings bank - 4 counts as above

Which was previously investigated by Rod Rosenstein when he was a prosecutor, and no charges laid, the Judge already said prior to the litigation that no mention of Trump nor Russian meddling can be said in court, so this kangaroo court is directly trying to be used to pressure Manafort to witness against Trump.
 

EagleSmack

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Which was previously investigated by Rod Rosenstein when he was a prosecutor, and no charges laid, the Judge already said prior to the litigation that no mention of Trump nor Russian meddling can be said in court, so this kangaroo court is directly trying to be used to pressure Manafort to witness against Trump.

Once he worked for Trump... that was it.
 

Decapoda

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There are no collusion charges because MAnafort requested there be none in this trial and Mueller agreed to it.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/robert-mueller-paul-manafort-collusion-evidence-wont-be-used/

I know you people are misinformed but holy shit.

Talk about misinformed, you can't even read and understand your own cite. Manafort requested that evidence suggesting collusion not be presented, because there are no collusion charges being filed. And the prosecution agreed.

Man, you really are clueless.
 

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from the link

Manafort thus filed an in limine motion to keep the collusion issue out of the case. In responding, the special counsel agreed with the defense, representing that the prosecution “does not intend to present at trial evidence or argument concerning collusion with the Russian government.”
 

Decapoda

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Also from the link:

There are no charges involving so-called collusion in Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, the suspected scheme that was the rationale for Robert Mueller’s appointment as special counsel.


Do you really think a defendant has any control or say over what he is charged with?
 

EagleSmack

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Also from the link:

There are no charges involving so-called collusion in Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, the suspected scheme that was the rationale for Robert Mueller’s appointment as special counsel.

The thing is Decap... for quite some time the Alt-Left has been getting their supporters amped up about these Collusion Trials. Now that this trial is starting they have to admit that this trial is not about collusion at all.
 

Hoid

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Also from the link:

There are no charges involving so-called collusion in Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, the suspected scheme that was the rationale for Robert Mueller’s appointment as special counsel.


Do you really think a defendant has any control or say over what he is charged with?
from the link

Manafort thus filed an in limine motion to keep the collusion issue out of the case. In responding, the special counsel agreed with the defense, representing that the prosecution “does not intend to present at trial evidence or argument concerning collusion with the Russian government.”
 

Hoid

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A motion in limine is a motion filed by a party to a lawsuit which asks the court for an order or ruling limiting or preventing certain evidence from being presented by the other side at the trial of the case


SO when Manafort files this motion in court and it is granted and you wonder aloud where the collusion evidence is it sort of indicates that you are not very bright (which I will grant you has already been established beyond any doubt).
 

EagleSmack

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Talk about misinformed, you can't even read and understand your own cite. Manafort requested that evidence suggesting collusion not be presented, because there are no collusion charges being filed. And the prosecution agreed.

Man, you really are clueless.

Misinformation is all they have.

Evidence and charges of collusion is what they don't have.
 

Hoid

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From the opening arguments of the Manafort case:

"A man in this courtroom believed he was above the law."

And that is really all it is about.
 

Hoid

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Mueller today mentioned that he may not even call Gates.

Perhaps just trolling the defense who have said Gates is the crook - and probably want to cross examine him.

IN related news Mueller today turned three cases over to New York AG for prosecution - two of them are big democrat fixers, including Obama's.

Strangely no mention of this from the Nattys, who you would figure would be all over Obama's guy up on the same sort of charges Manafort is facing.

Mueller is draining the swamp, and nobody on Team Trump is happy about it.