Ottawans rally against 'horrendous' Ontario sex ed changes

Decapoda

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Then as far as I'm concerned, their wishes should be respected. They should be allowed to have their kids opt-out of the program. They are the parents after all. But hey, it seems parental rights are passé. While I may not agree with their choices we have to respect their decisions.

Haven't you heard? Ontario teachers and education officials aren't just in charge of educating kids, they are actually "co-parents".

Ontario education official says teachers are ‘co-parents’
 

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Coming from a family full of teachers, I can tell you that is one of the scariest things I have ever read.

Haven't you heard? Ontario teachers and education officials aren't just in charge of educating kids, they are actually "co-parents".

Ontario education official says teachers are ‘co-parents’


At the staff parties all the teachers used to defer to the one husband who really knew what the facts were and what was really going on, and he only had grade 8 from a one room schoolhouse in the bush. He was the one that turned out to be right consistently, The teachers NEVER were.
 

Decapoda

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When you're done clutching your pearls, consider that this is not really any different from the "in loco parentis" rule that's been in place for decades.

Does this rule support the obligation to arrest, strip search, and threaten weapons charges against a father who's child draws a picture of a gun? Surely even you can see the overreaching insanity of this situation.

Father of a pre-kindergarten student arrested, strip searched and told he was being charged with illegal possession of a firearm

The situation developed when 4-year-old Neaveh Sansone drew a picture on an erasable white board of her dad Jessie holding a gun that she said was used to shoot monsters.

According to CNews Mr. Sansone, a 26-year-old father of four, was arrested by police at his children’s school, strip searched and told he was being charged with illegal possession of a firearm.

It was reported that three of his children were taken by Waterloo Region Family and Child Services to be questioned and his pregnant wife, Stephanie, was also taken to the police station.


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This is more in line with a different political philosophy, where the "state" is in charge of raising the kids with increasing authority.

Communism and the Family

But here too, the workers’ state will come to replace the family, society will gradually take upon itself all the tasks that before the revolution fell to the individual parents. Even before the revolution, the instruction of the child had ceased to be the duty of the parents. Once the children had attained school age the parents could breathe more freely, for they were no longer responsible for the intellectual development of their offspring. But there were still plenty of obligations to fulfill. There was still the matter of feeding the children, buying them shoes and clothes and seeing that they developed into skilled and honest workers able, when the time came, to earn their own living and feed and support their parents in old age.
 

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Does this rule support the obligation to arrest, strip search, and threaten weapons charges against a father who's child draws a picture of a gun? Surely even you can see the overreaching insanity of this situation.

I can see that argument by anecdote is the go-to tactic of a fool.

Shall I counter with examples of parents who were starving, torturing, raping their kids, and the kids were saved by teachers?

Yeah, that'd be fun, but then I'd be a fool too, wouldn't I?
 

Decapoda

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I can see that argument by anecdote is the go-to tactic of a fool.

...Except it's not an anecdote, it's a news story in which a public school official declares himself and his comrades in the public school system to be a co-parent of the kids under his authority.

BTW, if you look you'll see that the second cite I posted is the same story as the first citation...just from a different source. It supports the story which you responded to with your goofy "clutching your pearls" retort, and is not anecdotal. It's okay though, it is a difficult position to try and show justification for...your awkward response is understandable.
 

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...Except it's not an anecdote, it's a news story in which a public school official declares himself and his comrades in the public school system to be a co-parent of the kids under his authority.

BTW, if you look you'll see that the second cite I posted is the same story as the first citation...just from a different source. It supports the story which you responded to with your goofy "clutching your pearls" retort, and is not anecdotal. It's okay though, it is a difficult position to try and show justification for...your awkward response is understandable.

You should really look up what "anecdote" means.

"I do no think it means wha' you think it means."

-- Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride
 

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Judging by the reaction, I'm gonna conclude they're teaching that sex is healthy and normal.

Pretty much, depending on your view of normal.SOme people think that any sex other than between a man and a woman that have been churched is abnormal.

Shhhh! Hoid will grow up to find out about those later!
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Don't spoil the surprise!

I think he is right for once. Parental controls are easy to circumvent.More of a joke to keep the computer illiterate in a state of ignorant Bliss than any real control.

If you look up sexual abuse statistics for both boys and girls and men and women, you find that they are shockingly high:

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/coerced-sex.aspx
SACHA » Statistics

We also know that victims of sexual trauma can often develop compulsive sexual behaviours of their own once they reach adulthood. That behcaviour can range from nothing more than compulsive sexual thoughts to compulsive masturbation to compulsive promiscuity all the way up to paying for or selling sex, committing sexual assault, and molesting children. given the high rates of abuse, it should therefore come as no surprise that around 6-8% of Americans suffer some form of compulsive sexual disorder:
https://ce4less.com/Tests/Materials/E072Materials.pdf

With such high statistics in mind, it would make sense to include sex addiction in the curriculum to ensure that children who may develop any such disorder can recognize the signs and know where to find help.

That would depend on who is setting the paramaters. WIth your perverted ideas of what constitutes healthy sexual behavior we could easily end up going backwards to where sex is dirty and must be kept hidden.
 

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That was an old dream of mine but, alas, she married and moved away.

I've experienced childhood female sexual abuse, I'm heterosexual, she wasn't unattractive, yet it still scarred me. The reality is different from the fantasy.
 
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Pretty much, depending on your view of normal.SOme people think that any sex other than between a man and a woman that have been churched is abnormal.



I think he is right for once. Parental controls are easy to circumvent.More of a joke to keep the computer illiterate in a state of ignorant Bliss than any real control.



That would depend on who is setting the paramaters. WIth your perverted ideas of what constitutes healthy sexual behavior we could easily end up going backwards to where sex is dirty and must be kept hidden.

As someone who had experienced sex with a woman as a child, I can say that my sense of boundaries probably is skewed in ways even I still struggle to understand. But you tell me, what are my ideas of what constitutes healthy sexual behaviour?

Given how most guys think an attractive woman having sex with a young straight boy is somehow doing him a favour, I'd say I might have a healthier sense of unhealthy sexual behaviour than most guys at least.
 

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As someone who had experienced sex with a woman as a child, I can say that my sense of boundaries probably is skewed in ways even I still struggle to understand. But you tell me, what are my ideas of what constitutes healthy sexual behaviour?

Given how most guys think an attractive woman having sex with a young straight boy is somehow doing him a favour, I'd say I might have a healthier sense of unhealthy sexual behaviour than most guys at least.

I am very lucky, it would seem. No one ever "bothered" me when I was young of either gender. I had no idea that such things happened until I was a lot older and I am continuously shocked at what a high percentage of the population have been assaulted in some way or other. My up-bringing was peaceful and innocent.