The Kim/ Trump "Summit "

[White_Unifier]

Is anyone surprised that Trump and Kim got along just fine and now TRump is making positive comments about him??


the only people on the planet that TRump has any regard for are dictators.

Of course he has an "understanding" of Kim......and speaks positively about their "relationship"


This new and improved relationship between the US and NK is a god thing if it can be maintained with constructive movement forward.

I'm not entirely opposed to Trump's demeanor with Kim. Basic psychology. If you want a deal, you must give your opposite face and save him face.

The problem is not in Trump's demeanor with Kim, but with Trump's demeanor with everyone else. If he could learn to transfer his demeanor towards Kim to other world leaders, he could prove highly effective.

Unfortunately, Freeland and Trudeau are not much better than Trump given their retaliatory tariffs that they are imposing. Trump can run only two terms and even Republican senators are appalled at how Trump has treated Canada. If Trudeau and Freeland were smart, they'd play the long game, not impose retaliatory tariffs and instead let Congress and the US public lambaste the POTUS for his rash tariffs.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Trump says N. Korea ��no longer�� a nuclear threat amid questions over summit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Well... Trump did admit that the "war games" were provocative to NK And when one is provoked..

Kim has handled all this like a statesman. Is this one face on the world stage ...while the original harsh dictator at home??

Trump is doing his gut instinct barometer thing.and his confidence / faith in Kim.......as to how successful this has been.

Time will tell.

Seems they genuinely LIKE each other. It i western DEMOCRATIC leaders that Trump has issues with.

 

[darkbeaver]

Putting a 45 year old against a 70 year old would prove a lot wouldn't it? Even at that Pretty Boy might be in for a rude awakening! :lol: :lol:



That a boy, lay on the drama! ..............................Idiot! :lol:

Trumps government drops a bomb on someone every 12 minutes.

Geezer.

 

[White_Unifier]

Trump says N. Korea ��no longer�� a nuclear threat amid questions over summit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Well... Trump did admit that the "war games" were provocative to NK And when one is provoked..

Kim has handled all this like a statesman. Is this one face on the world stage ...while the original harsh dictator at home??

Trump is doing his gut instinct barometer.and his confidence / faith in Kim.......as to how successful this has been.

Time will tell.

Seems they genuinely LIKE each other.

To be fair to Kim Jung Un, I do question how much power he personally possesses. In China for example, the power is generally not held in one person but in the membership of the CPC. In North Korea, especially given how it appears to be hereditary, I suspect far more power is concentrated in the hands of one person there than in China for example, but I still wonder how much precisely. To remain in power, he still needs a broad enough base of support. I assume that the Party probably holds some power there too. We should be careful not to assume that one single person controls absolutely everything in NK. With that, Trump was negotiating with a government, not a person, with Kim just being its representative. If we want to help the NK people, like it or not, we'll have to do it through their government.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

To be fair to Kim Jung Un, I do question how much power he personally possesses. In China for example, the power is generally not held in one person but in the membership of the CPC. In North Korea, especially given how it appears to be hereditary, I suspect far more power is concentrated in the hands of one person there than in China for example, but I still wonder how much precisely. To remain in power, he still needs a broad enough base of support. I assume that the Party probably holds some power there too. We should be careful not to assume that one single person controls absolutely everything in NK. With that, Trump was negotiating with a government, not a person, with Kim just being its representative. If we want to help the NK people, like it or not, we'll have to do it through their government.

Technically , doesn't Trump respereestn the US G and people too. The US is not a monarchy....... even though .. .&.Kim comes from a dynasty..and is trying to make sure he hangs on to power.

You do have valid points.

 

[darkbeaver]

Quite possible. If NK would rather keep the status quo like Cuba has chosen, it is their prerogative.
You just hate all his winning.

North Korea will not give up the nukes while the USA keeps its and neither will any other country from here on to the end of corporatism.
The world has much less trust in American deals than at any other time in Americas short gluttonous history. Americans have less trust in American on American deals as well and 25.5 % unemployment and they,re offing themselves at higher than ever levels, what a dream eh. So the only way out for the average American is to savage thier government. It,s also the cheapest solution. There must be enough weapons hanging on domestic gun racks to make a difference. Just pretend the British are mistreating you again because they are. We all going to freeze and starve anyway.

How much double plus good status quo left in your hood Smack?

 

[White_Unifier]

Technically , doesn't Trump respereestn the US G and people too. The US is not a monarchy....... even though .. .&.Kim comes from a dynasty..and is trying to make sure he hangs on to power.

You do have valid points.

On the matter of dynasty, I wonder how much power lies in his family too. That said, with North Korea having a Communist Party too, I would suspect that Kim's power is conditional on him remaining a member of the Communist Party and any power that his family may have would probably be conditional on them being members of the party too. I'd suspect that the party holds much of the power there.

 

[darkbeaver]

On the matter of dynasty, I wonder how much power lies in his family too. That said, with North Korea having a Communist Party too, I would suspect that Kim's power is conditional on him remaining a member of the Communist Party and any power that his family may have would probably be conditional on them being members of the party too. I'd suspect that the party holds much of the power there.

I agree with that. The level of development in NK thus far demands a soild party base. Just being able to force the US to the negotiating table when they would rather bomb like usual if they could get away with it but the talking means they can,t get away with it.

China would be very upset with bombing.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Mission Kimpossible. ;-)

‘Art of the moron’: GOP strategist Rick Wilson tears Trump’s North Korea diplomacy to pieces

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/ar...on-tears-trumps-north-korea-diplomacy-pieces/

I agree with that. The level of development in NK thus far demands a soild party base. Just being able to force the US to the negotiating table when they would rather bomb like usual if they could get away with it but the talking means they can,t get away with it.

China would be very upset with bombing.

There is one thing that I agree with ...with Trump

Meeting people..including those that are stated "enemies" FACE to FACE is imperative to start a dialogue .....and such dialogues are a critical beginning to the process. They are seldom the final result......as there is no such thing...... in a rapidly changing world ...

Face to face deliberations are more constructive and productive.

 

[taxslave]

President Trump’s Chances Of Winning Nobel Peace Prize Just Went Through The Roof | The Daily Caller

The fascists sure are upset Trump achieved something important while their hero Obummer got a Nobel prize for being born black.

Right wingnut left wingnut right left right left right left right left.



How successful were the sanctions for the last 60 some years? Sanctions are seldom effective. Either you are prepared to go in militarily or drop the sanctions and move on. I say the same for Russia. In 2100, are we still going to be imposing sanctions on Russia for annexing Crimea? What's the end game? If we're not prepared to go in militarily, then drop the sanctions and resume trade otherwise it's just meaningless showmanship.

Don't be too sure about that. Cuba managed to get the US to keep their shoddy cars out of the country for about 60 years.

Trump says N. Korea ��no longer�� a nuclear threat amid questions over summit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Well... Trump did admit that the "war games" were provocative to NK And when one is provoked..

Kim has handled all this like a statesman. Is this one face on the world stage ...while the original harsh dictator at home??

Trump is doing his gut instinct barometer thing.and his confidence / faith in Kim.......as to how successful this has been.

Time will tell.

Seems they genuinely LIKE each other. It i western DEMOCRATIC leaders that Trump has issues with.

Most Western leaders really are not all that democratic. Even in Canada which most people like to think is free it is illegal to pack a case of beer accross provincial boundaries. Or smoke a joint in the privacy of your home. WE are not that Democratic or free.

 

[darkbeaver]

Mission Kimpossible. ;-)

‘Art of the moron’: GOP strategist Rick Wilson tears Trump’s North Korea diplomacy to pieces

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/ar...on-tears-trumps-north-korea-diplomacy-pieces/


There is one thing that I agree with ...with Trump

Meeting people..including those that are stated "enemies" FACE to FACE is imperative to start a dialogue .....and such dialogues are a critical beginning to the process. They are seldom the final result......as there is no such thing...... in a rapidly changing world ...

Face to face deliberations are more constructive and productive.

You,re ignoring the US track record of breaking deals. You don,t actually agree with Trump you agree with his advisors like John the cutthroat Bolten and the American Israeli administration of Trumps office time. He will do nothing but fatten Israel. The last president who acted presidential was shot in the head in Dallas.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

You,re ignoring the US track record of breaking deals. You don,t actually agree with Trump you agree with his advisors like John the cutthroat Bolten and the American Israeli administration of Trumps office time. He will do nothing but fatten Israel. The last president who acted presidential was shot in the head in Dallas.

umm..NO........ I agree with PRINCIPLE of meeting face to face with people one wishes to deal/ negotiate with...and that includes people of opposing ideas. The fact that TRump chose to meet Kim face to face is a positive in myview. The Principle applies to ANY leader that decides to deal with prickly issues face to face with others. Hey...I'm trying to find SOMETHING positive about the jackaZZZ.

 

[Bar Sinister]

President Trump’s Chances Of Winning Nobel Peace Prize Just Went Through The Roof | The Daily Caller

Don't you actually have to achieve a bit more than a few photo ops to win the Nobel Peace Prize?

 

[EagleSmack]

More rage from the Alt-Left.... nice.

 

[JLM]

Don't you actually have to achieve a bit more than a few photo ops to win the Nobel Peace Prize?

What did Albert Gore and Barack Obama do?

 

[EagleSmack]

What did Albert Gore and Barack Obama do?

Great Point!


They gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize and he became one of our nation's most warring Presidents!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

BBC is reporting that sanctions will NOT be lifted until verifiable evidence of denuclearization is available.

NK media has been reporting that Trump agreed to reduce/ remove sanctions.

OH OH..

The problem is that we have no clue what trump told him. (no witnesses and no record of the actual meeting )

all we really have is a photo op and a bague ,nonspecific "statement" and Trumps victory lap.

(mind you Trump could have been talking about building a condo on one o f those beaches he was so enamoured with.)

 

[JLM]

BBC is reporting that sanctions will NOT be lifted until verifiable evidence of denuclearization is available.

NK media has been reporting that Trump agreed to reduce/ remove sanctions.

OH OH..

The problem is that we have no clue what trump told him. (no witnesses and no record of the actual meeting )

There's probably quite a bit of paper work that you are not privy to Sweetie. :lol:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

There's probably quite a bit of paper work that you are not privy to Sweetie. :lol:

Ihope you are right ;-)

 

[EagleSmack]

I desire more Liberal tears.