Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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1966 When you could walk into any hardware store, put your money on the counter, and walk out with any rifle you wanted
Are you trying to imply that white nationalists have not attacked a mosque in Montreal?
In case you missed it, guns are designed to kill. The fact that some people use them for target practice is irrelevant. Only a moron would compare the use of recreational facilities to gun massacres.
Here's the thing about school shootings. Why is it that only the USA features this as a monthly event? Somehow teenagers in other countries find ways to cope with the problems you listed without killing their classmates.
So what you are say is that gun control actually works. Better revise the name of this thread.
What does the internet have to do with gun deaths?
More proof that stricter gun laws actually work.
Oh Good Lord!
I'm implying that was an outlier, for which over two million Canadians should not be punished.
Nope.
Not many gun laws either.
I think this is where the kids are getting angry.
They never voted on the gun laws - yet they are the ones who have to shoulder the load.
Maybe every generation should get a say.
That way we wouldn't end up with antiquated laws that were fine in their time but do not reflect the current reality.
Ok let’s get rid of laws pertaining to youth consumption well we are at it . After all they are the ones who are mostly effected by it .
You missed the point.
Between 1974 and 1978 I sold guns for a major department store.
At that time you could walk in and buy a semi-automatic US Military style M1 Carbine, a dozen 30 round magazines, and 1.000 rounds of ammunition with nothing but the cash. No license, no registration, no record keeping, no background check, no ID, nothing. Oh, except you had to look like you were 17 years of age.
In 1978 they introduced the first requirement to get a license to buy guns, complete with background check, and they restricted short-barreled semi-autos.
In 1992, in response to the Polytechnique shooting, the PCs passed a law prohibiting many guns, requiring a lot of those be turned in, restricting more, and making large capacity magazines illegal.
In 1995 the Liberals banned still more guns, required a license to possess firearms, and many other measures to numerous to list.
So.....what are these "antiquated" laws you speak of?
Just a reminder.....this is not the USA.
Have any other types of laws changed since say 911?
were there dozens of school massacres in those years -1974 -1979?
oh and the antiquated laws are starting to center on AR15 type weapons and who may process them and why.
questions that were almost irrelevant in 1974 but which are critical today
So....how is the AR 15 any more dangerous than any other firearm?
It is already restricted in Canada (for no good reason)
Our society has changed since 1974.
It only makes sense to keep our gun laws current.
I will let the lawyers sort out what is meant by what and support in principle attempts to protect our people.
7. Birth Certificate. (Maybe not without a photo)
It's OK Bones, everybody f**ks up at times!
The current spate of gun violence on Toronto streets is nothing more than the natural result of LIE-beral hug a thug legal and immigration madness!
And sadly- NDPers are calling ME TOO in support of the LIE-beral crap!
Consider:
Here is a nice story out of Ottawa courtesy of The Canadian Press. And there are some comments of my own in brackets) to supplement the story:
Criminals getting citizenship as not all checks being carried out: says Auditor general.
By Stephanie Levitz/ Sean Kilpatrick, THE CANADIAN PRESS. First posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 11:38 AM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 12:58 PM EDT
Auditor General Michael Ferguson holds a press conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday, May 3, 2016, regarding the 2016 Spring Reports of the Auditor General.
OTTAWA -- People with serious criminal records and others using potentially phoney addresses are among those who managed to secure Canadian citizenship, thanks to a system that doesn't do enough to root out fraud, the auditor general has found.
Michael Ferguson's audit of citizenship applications between July 2014 and last fall found the Immigration Department has granted citizenships based on incomplete information or without all the necessary checks because it's not applying its own methods to combat fraud.
(I say: what does auditor expect? Our civil service Hogs are NEVER expected to break a sweat or rush in any way so if there are too many applicants it is a simple matter to simply stamp many of them as being `done` and forget them. After all, LIE-berals routinely cater to ethnic and immigrant voters so civil service Hogs see no problem in this slovenly allotting of Cdn citizenship! After all how important can it be who is allowed into Canada since our idiot prime minister- that brainless boy- is taking action to RETURN CDN citizenship-previously removed by Stephen Harper- to the CONVICTED terrorist leader of the murderous Toronto 18!)
The issue isn't the department's alone -- the auditor general found they weren't getting timely or enough information from border officials or the RCMP either to help flag suspect cases.
(Police officials have known-and WARNED govt for decades that information supplied by authorities in foreign lands may be tainted or inadequate in various ways. Police in India for instance lack a central intelligence collection point of the sort found in Canada or other western lands. Such information on Indian criminals convictions is held in decentralized locations-in cities close to where the crimes took place so a foreigner finds it QUITE time consuming to seek information on a specific potential Indian immigrant-who may have offended in multiple jurisdictions-each unknown to the other. In addition, some Indian cops and clerks are willing to take bribes to alter or `clean up` police documents and who can blame them-if the criminal successfully immigrates THEY will be RID of him! It saves them trouble-but makes it OUR problem!)
"This finding matters because ineligible individuals may obtain Canadian citizenship and receive benefits to which they are not entitled," Ferguson wrote in his spring report, tabled Tuesday in the House of Commons.
(Gee, what about the Khadrs? The father was ALREADY a convicted terrorist bomber languishing in an Italian jail when LIE-beral prime minister Chretien went out of his way to INVITE Italians to ship the odious `first family of terror` to Canada! Imbecile Chretien has NEVER explained WHY he would do such a mad thing-inviting the `crazies` to come here!)
"Revoking citizenship that should not have been granted takes significant time and money."
(Oh, that’s NOT correct-look at Ivan Demyanyuk-the Ukrainian accused of being a concentration camp guard. He immigrated to Canada decades ago and subsequently got arrested and sent to Israel for trial-in the 1970`s as accused SS guard Ivan The Terrible. A court in Tel-Aviv brought in survivors of the camp and confronted him-and they LET HIM GO! He was not the man they wanted. Yet Chretien stripped him of citizenship and he ended up being shipped to Germany for another trial-this one being rather inconclusive as so much time had passed-key witnesses were all dead. But he was NOT let back into Canada! If Jewish concentration camp survivors were willing to declare him innocent then why not Canada? And why DUMP Demyanyuk-who never harmed a Cdn-nor apparently did he harm any Jews and then KEEP the Toronto 18-who planned to bomb Toronto Stock Exchange and behead the prime minister, chuck hand grenades at parliament and machine gun anybody who got in their way; and were only prevented from committing wholesale murder by Cdn cops? LIE-berals apparently believe only White people are unworthy of Cdn citizenship!)
The problems range from immigration officials not routinely checking travel documents against a database of known fake papers to a failure by officers or their computers to flag problematic addresses that could point to residency fraud.
(One is inclined to ask if some of this Hog sloppiness is not connected to the payment of BRIBES and assorted `considerations`? I do recall a recent trial in which a Cdn immigration officer was CONVICTED of soliciting sex from female immigrants in exchange for Cdn papers!)
In one instance, it took seven years for an official to realize that a single address had been used by at least 50 different applicants during overlapping time periods. Of the 50, seven became Canadian citizens.
A review of 49 cases where an individual's address had been flagged as problematic concluded that in 18 instances, citizenship officials didn't follow up to see if the applicant actually met residency requirements.
In four cases, the RCMP failed to tell the Immigration Department about criminal charges laid against people who'd already passed the criminal records check step of the citizenship process. Two eventually became citizens; a third failed the knowledge test while the fourth abandoned their application.
The auditor general also found four people who should have been ineligible because of their criminal records, but were granted citizenship even though the officers had access to the information.
(Again, we cynics have to ask if some Hog clerks are not being willfully blind in exchange for favours? Or for BLACKMAIL?)
It was not immediately clear Tuesday whether any of the red flags raised by the auditor general's office have resulted in new fraud investigations.
(And given the well known extent of Hog support of LIE-berals we cynics CAN guess that any evidence of wrong doing will be carefully BURIED by Hog clerks! After all, LIE-berals have learned a LOT since the days of the three billion dollar Adscam and the gas plants!)
In response to the audit, the Immigration Department, Canada Border Services Agency and the RCMP all say they are working to improve their efforts and a better system should be in place by the end of this year.
Tuesday's collection of audits also flagged problems at the start of many people's path to citizenship -- the Immigration and Refugee Board, which handles asylum claims.
As part of a review of appointments to government tribunals, the auditor general found ongoing and lengthy vacancies at the IRB, as well as at the so-called specific claims tribunal, which handles decisions on First Nations claims against the Crown.
In both cases, the vacancies are contributing to delays in tribunal decisions -- at the IRB, 21 positions are vacant, leading to wait times of an average of 18 months, up from the last study of the appointments process in 2009.
When it comes to filling vacancies, the auditor general flagged the fact that for part-time positions, there was no evidence of a selection process or an assessment of candidates against required qualifications.
(Gosh! No evidence of a govt selection process or an assessment of candidates against required qualifications? No-that has to be wrong. We cynics believe that all candidates will be carefully selected according to their loyalty to LIE-beral Party and their willingness to have their votes BOUGHT by LIE-berals! We expect that extra points will be given to those who can explain the Trudope vision of Cdn Imperialism! What the auditor means is there is NO process in place to ensure candidates will render decisions suitable to ordinary Cdns!)
(What it comes down to is our LIE-beral masters support the philosophy of Our Brainless Boy prime minister. Justin Trudope is following in the footsteps of his vicious father Pierre. Our Pet Pierre believed and SPOKE PUBLICLY and also wrote of his belief that Canadian `Imperialism` needed to be destroyed-as long time Trudope friends and chosen biographers Max and Monique Nemni have written in their biography of the younger life of Our Pet.)
(Pierre believed Britain and Canada had fought a war of Imperialism against Nazi Germany and he did all he could to thwart the Cdn war effort-including attempting to form a dock worker union in Montreal for the express purpose of interfering with shipments of war material to Britain! Of course once Hitler attacked the Soviet Union and ceased to be a Soviet ally, Our Pet lost interest in defending Nazis and turned to his true love-the Soviet Union!)
(Our Brainless Boy also believes-like his father-that Cdns are shameful imperialists and bigots and he would rather lead a country of criminal immigrants than a country full of White `Imperialists`. This is why his immigration policy is so deliberately skewed! Boy is determined to rebuild Canada in the fashion his father described-the Trudope plan is to take Canada from the past into the future via the route of radical socialism and for this plan to succeed all our existing institutions and values must be undermined! And how better to do the job than to bring in a bunch of people with strong OPPOSING views?)
(And it doesn’t hurt that screwed up immigration policy is being aided by giving preferential hiring status to assorted non-white and non-male immigrant job applicants-its just LIE-berals BUYING immigrant votes as usual and SCREWING ordinary people! Putting so much of the civil service into the hands of people with LIE-beral values means that we can change the govt-we can vote out those LIE-berals but the civil service will chug along its preferred path and the hell with what ordinary Cdns want!)
LOL If one has to die and within a certain time frame would you rather it be by a gunshot at an early age or of sex at an older age. Actually early or late in life, I know if I must die at any age, I would prefer it be the latter.
Read & weep:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/5967450/how-to-injure-your-genitals-like-an-american
“If you take 10,000 people, each individual session of physical or sexual activity per week can be associated with an increase of 1 to 2 cases of heart attack or sudden cardiac death per year,” Paulus said (Jessica Paulus - Researcher re death by sex)
So how many people really want or need them?? Is there not enough weapons available for whatever, enjoyment or protection, available to Canadian sports persons or the paranoid/ fearful.
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Oh, you mean like two years ago? And I did not say school shooting never happened in Canada. We have stricter gun laws in Canada precisely because of a school shooting. But try googling "School Shootings in Canada." You won't find many.
Simple - we have fewer guns because of our stricter gun laws. And fewer guns = fewer gun deaths. And it is gun deaths you should be looking at, now just gun murders. Canada has 2.05/100000. The USA has 11.95/100000. Almost six times as many. And then of course, there is the UK, with just 0.23/100,000. But of course the UK is not right next door to a nation overflowing with guns.