Solar and Wind - Carbon Neutral Canada

[Bar Sinister]

ROFL good one. How old were you when Suzuki infected you with his outright lies & rubbish?

If electric cars are so great, then remove the subsidies that the govts. take from the rest of us !

Batteries will have to be twice as good as they are today & that will take decades - if ever.

Just because we desire it, doesn't mean the laws of physics will cooperate.

As far as the danger caused by fossil fuels yada yada, only gullible sheep and/or malicious vandals believe such rubbish.

The fact that we are told outright lies about how bad CO2 is another example of the rampant stupidity surrounding us.

BTW the complicity of the teachers in this bs is disgusting. They need a swift kick in the a$$.

Good to see the voters are rejecting the CAGW bs everywhere.

FTR electric motors with their ideal torque characteristics and simplicity (low part count) are by far the ideal powerplant.

Batteries however........

BTW fuel cells burning H2 are even more ideal. Hydrogen is by far the most common element.

Problem is that nobody has ever found a cost -effective way of separating it. Electrolysis has been researched for decades but the process is just too inefficient. Other methods are downright dirty.

As someone once pointed out, the universes laws of physics were not tailored to suit our needs.

Subsidies. You mean like the subsidies oil companies get? And just how many of these electric car manufacturers get subsidies?
List of electric cars currently available


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available

Batteries are already good enough for commuter purposes, especially as the average driver travels less than a hundred km a day, and several companies have cars with ranges of 500 km or more. That is good enough for intercity driving.

As for your climate inspired tirade - let's just say that it is irrelevant. Electric cars are in the works whether you like them or or not.

40,000 Canadians work in the coal industry.

Coal is a declining industry. And even if it were to recover jobs in it will continue to decline due to automation.

Coal's Last Kick

Coal Mining Jobs Are Being Replaced By Clean Energy

 

[Jinentonix]

Subsidies. You mean like the subsidies oil companies get? And just how many of these electric car manufacturers get subsidies?
List of electric cars currently available


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available

Batteries are already good enough for commuter purposes, especially as the average driver travels less than a hundred km a day, and several companies have cars with ranges of 500 km or more. That is good enough for intercity driving.

As for your climate inspired tirade - let's just say that it is irrelevant. Electric cars are in the works whether you like them or or not.



Coal is a declining industry. And even if it were to recover jobs in it will continue to decline due to automation.

Coal's Last Kick

Coal Mining Jobs Are Being Replaced By Clean Energy

Natgas is clean energy? Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[pgs]

Subsidies. You mean like the subsidies oil companies get? And just how many of these electric car manufacturers get subsidies?
List of electric cars currently available


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available

Batteries are already good enough for commuter purposes, especially as the average driver travels less than a hundred km a day, and several companies have cars with ranges of 500 km or more. That is good enough for intercity driving.

As for your climate inspired tirade - let's just say that it is irrelevant. Electric cars are in the works whether you like them or or not.



Coal is a declining industry. And even if it were to recover jobs in it will continue to decline due to automation.

Coal's Last Kick

Coal Mining Jobs Are Being Replaced By Clean Energy

Why is so much coal being shipped through Vancouver area ports ? Why are these coal terminals expanding capacity ?

 

[DaSleeper]

Is Bar Sinister buying an electric car or is it just his usual hypocritical B.S.

 

[Jinentonix]

Notice how none of the "green" energy dupes can explain what they plan on using for base-load generation?

 

[Danbones]

or brag about their new teslas

 

[Cannuck]

Coal is a declining industry.

Not in Alberta. New mine opening in Hinton. Thanks Rachel. Selling lots of coal to Jina. When it's burned in Jina, it doesn't create CO2

 

[petros]

Subsidies. You mean like the subsidies oil companies get? And just how many of these electric car manufacturers get subsidies?
List of electric cars currently available


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available

Batteries are already good enough for commuter purposes, especially as the average driver travels less than a hundred km a day, and several companies have cars with ranges of 500 km or more. That is good enough for intercity driving.

As for your climate inspired tirade - let's just say that it is irrelevant. Electric cars are in the works whether you like them or or not.



Coal is a declining industry. And even if it were to recover jobs in it will continue to decline due to automation.

Coal's Last Kick

Coal Mining Jobs Are Being Replaced By Clean Energy

Read up chump. Coal is the future of batteries.

https://electrek.co/2017/11/14/fisker-solid-state-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars/

 

[taxslave]

Alberta needs to understand that depending on oil for the province's prosperity will lead to an eventual dead end. There are multiple reasons for this:
1. Numerous new sources of oil have been discovered in the last few years. This will keep the world price of oil down and possibly even rob Alberta of one of its most important customers, the USA.
2. Wind and solar are are steadily becoming more efficient. This will continue to drop demand for oil, especially as wind and solar installations are cheaper to install than conventional energy plants.
3. Electric cars (and possibly trucks) are the way of the future. This will further push down the demand for oil.

We have at least a couple of hundred years of oil still in Canada so what is the rush to go electric?

Why is so much coal being shipped through Vancouver area ports ? Why are these coal terminals expanding capacity ?

Just making space to park all those subsidized electric cars we are importing.

 

[petros]

Apparently Oil Sands and renewables are in kahoots.

Oilsands research could be 'game changer' for renewable energy | CBC News


Oilsands research could be 'game changer' for renewable energy

Researchers are extracting vanadium from the oilsands and using it to build batteries

Kyle Bakx · CBC News · Posted: Apr 12, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: April 12


Shell Canada's JT Steenkamp is leading a project to research the extraction of vanadium from the oilsands to create large utility-scale electricity storage for renewable energy projects. (Kyle Bakx/CBC)
1064 comments
Originally from South Africa, JT Steenkamp doesn't usually enjoy brisk Canadian winter weather, but this year is different for the engineer who is testing out a new type of battery at Shell Canada's research centre in Calgary. The battery is built using a little-known metal found in bitumen, and the technology could represent a pivotal moment for both the oilsands industry and the renewable energy sector.

An unusually frigid prairie winter is perfect for his research.

"Coming from a sub-tropical country, it's a very confusing series of emotions I'm going through wanting these cold snaps for the first time in my life because it means I get to beat up this battery as much I want," said Steenkamp.


LISTEN



Shell Canada is testing out a new type of battery using a little-known metal found in bitumen and the technology could represent a pivotal moment for both the oilsands industry and for the renewable energy sector. 0:44
Shell's project aims to extract a metal called vanadium from bitumen and use the material to produce large, utility-scale electricity storage for the renewable energy sector, which has struggled with ways to store large amounts of energy in a stable, reliable way.

It will prove that we are capable of delivering renewable energy game-changing ideas not in spite of traditional energy but precisely because of it.
- JT Steenkamp , Shell Canada engineer

"If successful, it could be an absolute game change. It will prove that we are capable of delivering renewable energy game-changing ideas not in spite of traditional energy but precisely because of it.," said Steenkamp.

Steenkamp has constructed what's called a vanadium redox flow battery inside a garden shed, which is powered by solar panels above the research centre. The battery is run through continuous cycles of charging fully, then draining completely. Data is collected to gauge its performance, which so far is promising, according to Steenkamp.

 

[pgs]

Apparently Oil Sands and renewables are in kahoots.

Oilsands research could be 'game changer' for renewable energy | CBC News


Oilsands research could be 'game changer' for renewable energy

Researchers are extracting vanadium from the oilsands and using it to build batteries

Kyle Bakx · CBC News · Posted: Apr 12, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: April 12


Shell Canada's JT Steenkamp is leading a project to research the extraction of vanadium from the oilsands to create large utility-scale electricity storage for renewable energy projects. (Kyle Bakx/CBC)
1064 comments
Originally from South Africa, JT Steenkamp doesn't usually enjoy brisk Canadian winter weather, but this year is different for the engineer who is testing out a new type of battery at Shell Canada's research centre in Calgary. The battery is built using a little-known metal found in bitumen, and the technology could represent a pivotal moment for both the oilsands industry and the renewable energy sector.

An unusually frigid prairie winter is perfect for his research.

"Coming from a sub-tropical country, it's a very confusing series of emotions I'm going through wanting these cold snaps for the first time in my life because it means I get to beat up this battery as much I want," said Steenkamp.


LISTEN



Shell Canada is testing out a new type of battery using a little-known metal found in bitumen and the technology could represent a pivotal moment for both the oilsands industry and for the renewable energy sector. 0:44
Shell's project aims to extract a metal called vanadium from bitumen and use the material to produce large, utility-scale electricity storage for the renewable energy sector, which has struggled with ways to store large amounts of energy in a stable, reliable way.

It will prove that we are capable of delivering renewable energy game-changing ideas not in spite of traditional energy but precisely because of it.
- JT Steenkamp , Shell Canada engineer

"If successful, it could be an absolute game change. It will prove that we are capable of delivering renewable energy game-changing ideas not in spite of traditional energy but precisely because of it.," said Steenkamp.

Steenkamp has constructed what's called a vanadium redox flow battery inside a garden shed, which is powered by solar panels above the research centre. The battery is run through continuous cycles of charging fully, then draining completely. Data is collected to gauge its performance, which so far is promising, according to Steenkamp.

A game changer indeed . There will be a rush to divest from Tesla if they embrace that technology .

 

[Bar Sinister]

Natgas is clean energy? Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You really have to learn to read. Perhaps you could do it while attempting to re-attach you backside. I did not advocate natural gas, however, since you brought it up, it is a lot cleaner than most fossil fuels since burning it produces only CO2 and water.

Why is so much coal being shipped through Vancouver area ports ? Why are these coal terminals expanding capacity ?

Damned if I know. Why don't you get off your lazy ass and do some research?

Read up chump. Coal is the future of batteries.

https://electrek.co/2017/11/14/fisker-solid-state-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars/

Thanks for supporting an almost identical post I made a few days ago.

We have at least a couple of hundred years of oil still in Canada so what is the rush to go electric?



Just making space to park all those subsidized electric cars we are importing.

I'm guessing that most of that oil will stay in the ground as the switch to renewables continues. Regions of the world that don't modernize tend to get left behind. It happened in the US "Rust Belt" and in regions of Britain that relied on old tech for jobs, and it will happen here if we don't change. There is no market for a product that no one wants.

Apparently Oil Sands and renewables are in kahoots.

Oilsands research could be 'game changer' for renewable energy | CBC News


Oilsands research could be 'game changer' for renewable energy

Researchers are extracting vanadium from the oilsands and using it to build batteries

Kyle Bakx · CBC News · Posted: Apr 12, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: April 12


Shell Canada's JT Steenkamp is leading a project to research the extraction of vanadium from the oilsands to create large utility-scale electricity storage for renewable energy projects. (Kyle Bakx/CBC)
1064 comments
Originally from South Africa, JT Steenkamp doesn't usually enjoy brisk Canadian winter weather, but this year is different for the engineer who is testing out a new type of battery at Shell Canada's research centre in Calgary. The battery is built using a little-known metal found in bitumen, and the technology could represent a pivotal moment for both the oilsands industry and the renewable energy sector.

An unusually frigid prairie winter is perfect for his research.

"Coming from a sub-tropical country, it's a very confusing series of emotions I'm going through wanting these cold snaps for the first time in my life because it means I get to beat up this battery as much I want," said Steenkamp.


LISTEN



Shell Canada is testing out a new type of battery using a little-known metal found in bitumen and the technology could represent a pivotal moment for both the oilsands industry and for the renewable energy sector. 0:44
Shell's project aims to extract a metal called vanadium from bitumen and use the material to produce large, utility-scale electricity storage for the renewable energy sector, which has struggled with ways to store large amounts of energy in a stable, reliable way.

It will prove that we are capable of delivering renewable energy game-changing ideas not in spite of traditional energy but precisely because of it.
- JT Steenkamp , Shell Canada engineer

"If successful, it could be an absolute game change. It will prove that we are capable of delivering renewable energy game-changing ideas not in spite of traditional energy but precisely because of it.," said Steenkamp.

Steenkamp has constructed what's called a vanadium redox flow battery inside a garden shed, which is powered by solar panels above the research centre. The battery is run through continuous cycles of charging fully, then draining completely. Data is collected to gauge its performance, which so far is promising, according to Steenkamp.

Interesting article, but I 'm wondering at your conclusion that this will hurt Tesla. Telsa and other wind and solar power manufacturers has been looking for an improved storage medium for years and that is exactly what vanadium offers.

 

[Jinentonix]

You really have to learn to read. Perhaps you could do it while attempting to re-attach you backside. I did not advocate natural gas, however, since you brought it up, it is a lot cleaner than most fossil fuels since burning it produces only CO2 and water.

Yeah, and extracting it releases methane. And "a lot cleaner" is relative. It contains 30% less CO2 than oil and about 45% less than coal. Then you need to add in all the fuel burned trucking in the water for the wells. Plus factor in all the fresh water that's destroyed to frack the wells, even though sea water works just as well. Take a look at Prospect Lake on Vancouver Island. A natgas well pad with maximum well heads would use the approximate equivalent of that lake every two years.

Oh and btw, you should read your own links. The article was "advocating" natgas. Now maybe you can put your wiki diploma to work and explain what you plan to use for base-load generation.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Yeah, and extracting it releases methane. And "a lot cleaner" is relative. It contains 30% less CO2 than oil and about 45% less than coal. Then you need to add in all the fuel burned trucking in the water for the wells. Plus factor in all the fresh water that's destroyed to frack the wells, even though sea water works just as well. Take a look at Prospect Lake on Vancouver Island. A natgas well pad with maximum well heads would use the approximate equivalent of that lake every two years.

Oh and btw, you should read your own links. The article was "advocating" natgas. Now maybe you can put your wiki diploma to work and explain what you plan to use for base-load generation.

I don't think you know what natgas is. It's extraction doesn't release methane because it is methane. Perhaps you might want to comment on something you have a clue about - if you can find one.

And base load is easy. Multiple solutions have already been suggested. Here - you can argue with these solutions.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=374

https://www.renewableenergyworld.co...everyone-is-talking-about-baseload-power.html

 

[EagleSmack]

I'm just glad Trump is buying wind power from Alberta

No link yet?

 

[Cannuck]

Thanks Trump

 

[EagleSmack]

Do you need more time?

 

[darkbeaver]

Alberta needs to understand that depending on oil for the province's prosperity will lead to an eventual dead end. There are multiple reasons for this:
1. Numerous new sources of oil have been discovered in the last few years. This will keep the world price of oil down and possibly even rob Alberta of one of its most important customers, the USA.
2. Wind and solar are are steadily becoming more efficient. This will continue to drop demand for oil, especially as wind and solar installations are cheaper to install than conventional energy plants.
3. Electric cars (and possibly trucks) are the way of the future. This will further push down the demand for oil.

Yes solar is becoming more efficient, wind is solar also of course. The problem lies with more solar output and is not going to be enhanced by human intervention of any kind whatsoever. Harvest efficiency is already being offset by the sleeping Sun.

 

[Cannuck]

Do you need more time?

For what? Thanking Trump and America for buying our energy? No need.

 

[EagleSmack]

No, for the link where you got the info.

Southern Alberta wind power being sold to US. Thanks Trump

The link for this.