Solar and Wind - Carbon Neutral Canada

[EagleSmack]

Me too.

 

[Cannuck]

Did you find a link yet?

Of course. I've always had it

 

[captain morgan]

Me too.

Still waiting I guess

 

[Bar Sinister]

the other aspect is that the Prairies and Alberta in particular have huge potential as alternative energy producers.

Could establish themselves as the leading and best producer of clean energy on Earth - rather the provider of the worst oil.

Instead of pouring billions more into oil and gas pour it into alternative and be leaders for once.

Alberta needs to understand that depending on oil for the province's prosperity will lead to an eventual dead end. There are multiple reasons for this:
1. Numerous new sources of oil have been discovered in the last few years. This will keep the world price of oil down and possibly even rob Alberta of one of its most important customers, the USA.
2. Wind and solar are are steadily becoming more efficient. This will continue to drop demand for oil, especially as wind and solar installations are cheaper to install than conventional energy plants.
3. Electric cars (and possibly trucks) are the way of the future. This will further push down the demand for oil.

 

[DaSleeper]

What energy source will be used for airplanes?

 

[Gilgamesh]

Alberta needs to understand that depending on oil for the province's prosperity will lead to an eventual dead end. There are multiple reasons for this:
1. Numerous new sources of oil have been discovered in the last few years. This will keep the world price of oil down and possibly even rob Alberta of one of its most important customers, the USA.
2. Wind and solar are are steadily becoming more efficient. This will continue to drop demand for oil, especially as wind and solar installations are cheaper to install than conventional energy plants.
3. Electric cars (and possibly trucks) are the way of the future. This will further push down the demand for oil.

ROFL good one. How old were you when Suzuki infected you with his outright lies & rubbish?

If electric cars are so great, then remove the subsidies that the govts. take from the rest of us !

Batteries will have to be twice as good as they are today & that will take decades - if ever.

Just because we desire it, doesn't mean the laws of physics will cooperate.

As far as the danger caused by fossil fuels yada yada, only gullible sheep and/or malicious vandals believe such rubbish.

The fact that we are told outright lies about how bad CO2 is another example of the rampant stupidity surrounding us.

BTW the complicity of the teachers in this bs is disgusting. They need a swift kick in the a$$.

Good to see the voters are rejecting the CAGW bs everywhere.

FTR electric motors with their ideal torque characteristics and simplicity (low part count) are by far the ideal powerplant.

Batteries however........

BTW fuel cells burning H2 are even more ideal. Hydrogen is by far the most common element.

Problem is that nobody has ever found a cost -effective way of separating it. Electrolysis has been researched for decades but the process is just too inefficient. Other methods are downright dirty.

As someone once pointed out, the universes laws of physics were not tailored to suit our needs.

 

[Cannuck]

Alberta needs to understand that depending on oil for the province's prosperity will lead to an eventual dead end. There are multiple reasons for this:
1. Numerous new sources of oil have been discovered in the last few years. This will keep the world price of oil down and possibly even rob Alberta of one of its most important customers, the USA.
2. Wind and solar are are steadily becoming more efficient. This will continue to drop demand for oil, especially as wind and solar installations are cheaper to install than conventional energy plants.
3. Electric cars (and possibly trucks) are the way of the future. This will further push down the demand for oil.

Oil is good business.

So is wind power. Alberta has the best of both worlds. Will be selling lots of both to Americans.

Thanks Trump!

 

[Gilgamesh]

Why not? Read and learn -
The non-fossil fuel energy systems represent a threat to the control that having "fossil fuels as our primary energy source" give the wealthy elites.

Nuclear is sometimes ok with them, because it is a system that o nly wealthy people can invest in, and control

Having control of energy means having control of EVERY ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. That is how they kept CHINA from becoming a super-power years ago - the wealthy elites allowed only a little oil to go there, and so coal was China's only energy source, which held them back economically.

But hey, just keep on your same old trak and see where we end up. Right. Good planning makes for good outcomes, and we are not planning to meet the challenges of global warming caused by fossil fuels emissions. Oh right, you do not really know for sure about that....

Get the psychiatric help you so badly need.

Get the psychiatric help you so badly need.

China was held back for years by the Communist Party and Mao's hobby of butchrting atleast 57,000,000 of his people. Only after one of his successors brought in a form of Capitalism did China start to succeed economically.

Capitalism has many faults but all other forms including, dictatorships, theocracies, and especially central State controlled Socialism aka. Communism fail miserably.

Not to worry. 'Little Prince Shiny Pony' aka. 'Empty Suit' in Ottawa has expressed his admiration for Chinas vicious & brutal form off government.

Whoopee (/sarc)

Canada can be a world leader by making our electrical production "carbon neutral" within 10 without breaking the bank.
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Its not hard to do, it is within reach simply by spending government surpluses on renewable energy projects.

Canada's electrical untilites are producing a lot of GHGs [greenhouse gasses] , and those could be completely wiped out within 10 years, and the excess capacity could then start to power our vehicles and further reduce emssions.

We now use 113 Gw [gigawatts] of electricity in Canada. Hydro electric accounts for 66.8Gw, so we can subtract that because it is carbon neutral allready, leaving about 48Gw to be replaced by renewables. That 48Gw, rounded up to 50Gw for growth, can be split half and half between WIND and SOLAR, they will each need to be producing a constant average of about 25Gw each.

25Gw of solar power can be attained by investing between $100Billion to $150B depending on the cost of solar panels. Spread over the next 10 years, it will require governments to put up about $10B a year.

Canada's federal budget surplus was about $20B in 2006, and provinces also had about $6B in surpluses in BC, Ab, and Sask. Therefore, it won't be a hard hit at all to provide that financing for renewable energy. Also, we could let private corporations invest, but it will not serve canadians needs as well as having it as a public resource, because the cost of electricity could be set at whatever we like, even ZERO if the costs are all paid for up front. Plus, these installations will MAKE MONEY every year for 20 years, and that can be added to our govenrment surpluses.

And as for WIND, and the 25Gw from that, well, wind power is CHEAPER than solar, so it is easy to see that this is do-able.

It is a no brainer - the resistance to RENEWABLES all comes from the "fossil fools" who insist on using dirty GHG producing fuels for electricity, EVEN THOUGH THEY END UP COSTING MORE. Over the 20 year lifetime operation -without input costs for fuel like regular electrical generation has - solar and wind installations actually give back a very good economic return at 10 cents per kilowatt hour of operation - investing $300 Million now will provide over $2.8BILLION [!!!] in the 20 year lifespan. Thats a pretty good return eh?

It is being kept silent, we are not told how great this return on renewables WILL be. The reason it is kept quiet is that "certain people will no longer profit, but others will". and those friends of Harper all make aliving from fossil fuels burning to produce electricity. ARRRGGGG, its so damn criminal to continue favouring those wealthy elites now that global warming is upon us.

There is no problem to becoming carbon neutral, it is simply a matter of who gets to profit from electrical sales, something that should be public because we all use it, and now there is global warming created by our "business as usual" bull****.

You suggest it is "a no brainer".

Very very true,but not for the reasons you suggestsuggest!

As Inoted elsewhere, I would love some of whatever you are drinkingdrinking

 

[Jinentonix]

the other aspect is that the Prairies and Alberta in particular have huge potential as alternative energy producers.

Could establish themselves as the leading and best producer of clean energy on Earth - rather the provider of the worst oil.

Instead of pouring billions more into oil and gas pour it into alternative and be leaders for once.

You have to pour billions into gas if you want your "green" energy dream to work. That's just fact. Quick question. Assuming an area/region has piss-poor hydroelectric potential and they don't want to go nuclear, what do you propose they use for base-load power generation?

 

[Dixie Cup]

I would call all forms of electricity production unsightly. I prefer a windmill to a coal fired smoke stack any day of the week. All forms of energy that we can manipulate have their drawbacks.

I think now-a-days you'd be hard-pressed to see "coal fired smoke". It's become very clean burning through technology but hey, lets not let facts get in the way....


JMHO

Interestingly one of the main players in Canadian alternative energy is Enbridge.

Business is business, and anyone currently in power generation is going to be investing in the alternatives simply as a matter of course.

Of course they're vested - the subsidies alone make it worth their while. Geesh!!

 

[captain morgan]

what do you propose they use for base-load power generation?

Good intentions

I think now-a-days you'd be hard-pressed to see "coal fired smoke". It's become very clean burning through technology but hey, lets not let facts get in the way....


JMHO

The truthers have moved the goal posts by virtue of leaning on something as anomalous as GHGs to include everything outside of the exhaust of coal or natural gas

 

[Jinentonix]

Good intentions



The truthers have moved the goal posts by virtue of leaning on something as anomalous as GHGs to include everything outside of the exhaust of coal or natural gas

You know what's funny? When they state how many people around the world are "now" using renewable energy, they omit the fact that 3/4 of them are burning wood and dung and that they've always been using those for heat, light and cooking.
But hey, wood and shit are renewable so it's not a complete lie when they make the statement about how many people are using renewables.

 

[taxslave]

the other aspect is that the Prairies and Alberta in particular have huge potential as alternative energy producers.

Could establish themselves as the leading and best producer of clean energy on Earth - rather the provider of the worst oil.

Instead of pouring billions more into oil and gas pour it into alternative and be leaders for once.

Straw works better as a building product than a source of energy.

 

[captain morgan]

You know what's funny? When they state how many people around the world are "now" using renewable energy, they omit the fact that 3/4 of them are burning wood and dung and that they've always been using those for heat, light and cooking.
But hey, wood and shit are renewable so it's not a complete lie when they make the statement about how many people are using renewables.

They must be using that carbon and GHG free wood and dung to burn.

 

[Hoid]

If you want to see coal pollution look no further than Alberta.

They somehow manage to produce more of it than the rest of Canada combined.

And they are a massive natural gas producer.

 

[taxslave]

If you want to see coal pollution look no further than Alberta.

They somehow manage to produce more of it than the rest of Canada combined.

And they are a massive natural gas producer.

All of which is used by the rest of Canada. No end user would mean no production. Alberta is not the problem.

 

[EagleSmack]

Of course. I've always had it

So where is it?

 

[pgs]

What energy source will be used for airplanes?

The upwardly mobile mellenials will stop travelling . Lol
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[petros]

If you want to see coal pollution look no further than Alberta.

They somehow manage to produce more of it than the rest of Canada combined.

And they are a massive natural gas producer.

40,000 Canadians work in the coal industry.

 

[Cannuck]

I'm just glad Trump is buying wind power from Alberta