Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion
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", it will be floating unless it’s really stormy, then it can go anywhere, "
“Conditions play a huge role in recovery,High winds are going to impact your ability to respond and rough seas definitely impede your ability to respond.”
great link.
NDP minister for Burnaby just said his best estimate is that 75% of his constituents are against this expansion.
SO much for the fake news that the public is for this pipeline.
That is simply a lie being told by idiots.
Well, that does it then! Some MP from Burnaby ESTIMATED that 75% of the constituents in his riding are against the pipeline, so everything else is fake news! :lol:
The only idiot here is you, Waldo. Your unsubstantiated ramblings here make you the king of BS. You cannot even argue a point properly. What are they teaching you in school?
Let's review the situation.
The pipeline is still on track. :lol:
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Here are a few links that you can read, should you decide to stop whining and get a job. The first is the KM home page.
https://www.kindermorgan.com/pages/default.aspx
This next one will give you a broad overview of the pipeline.
https://www.kindermorgan.com/pages/work/kmc_careers/pipelines.aspx
This last link will help you find a job with them.
https://www.transmountain.com/jobs
This last link is an updated story about what the Alberta premier says about the project.
Notley says Alberta government would consider buying Trans Mountain pipeline
Alberta Premier Rachel Notley says her government would go as far as buying the Trans Mountain pipeline outright in order to aid its push to get oil to overseas markets.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...ernment-would-consider-buying-trans-mountain/
The only idiot here is you, Waldo. Your unsubstantiated ramblings here make you the king of BS. You cannot even argue a point properly. What are they teaching you in school?
Let's review the situation.
The pipeline is still on track. :lol:
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Here are a few links that you can read, should you decide to stop whining and get a job. The first is the KM home page.
https://www.kindermorgan.com/pages/default.aspx
This next one will give you a broad overview of the pipeline.
https://www.kindermorgan.com/pages/work/kmc_careers/pipelines.aspx
This last link will help you find a job with them.
https://www.transmountain.com/jobs
This last link is an updated story about what the Alberta premier says about the project.
Notley says Alberta government would consider buying Trans Mountain pipeline
Alberta Premier Rachel Notley says her government would go as far as buying the Trans Mountain pipeline outright in order to aid its push to get oil to overseas markets.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...ernment-would-consider-buying-trans-mountain/
I think you just have to boil them for a couple of minutes, Mowich. As an old Vancouver Islander I know Red Tides are common on the coast
:lol: :lol:
B.C. stakeholders, experts respond to Kinder Morgan's deadline ultimatum for Trans Mountain pipeline
Company has given government until May 31 to come up with a clear plan
Anna Dimoff · CBC
B.C. stakeholders, experts respond to Kinder Morgan's deadline ultimatum for Trans Mountain pipeline | CBC News
B.C. stakeholders, experts respond to Kinder Morgan's deadline ultimatum for Trans Mountain pipeline
Company has given government until May 31 to come up with a clear plan
Anna Dimoff · CBC
B.C. stakeholders, experts respond to Kinder Morgan's deadline ultimatum for Trans Mountain pipeline | CBC News
I support the Kinder Morgan pipeline because we can't just be hypocritical end-users of oil products.
We have to own some responsibility for Canadian prosperity. It's simply not good enough to sit on our asses and smoke pot or whatever it is Green's want their legacy to be. Show some gumption. Support our neighbours.
Nothing in this world is without risk.
We have to own some responsibility for Canadian prosperity. It's simply not good enough to sit on our asses and smoke pot or whatever it is Green's want their legacy to be. Show some gumption. Support our neighbours.
Nothing in this world is without risk.
I oppose the Kinder Morgan pipeline because our neighbors want us to assume all the risk.
What kind of neighbor does that?
One that can go **** themself.
What you say about being an end user is quite true. It is hypocritical to object, but have your food delivered using gas powered vehicles; your house heated with NG or oil; driving to work in your car, etc.
If that's your concern, the entire port should be shut down. Everyone can live happily ever after in a tent city.
CBC News with Carole McNeil had a panel discussing the pipeline.
A question was asked why Trudeau never asked for a Supreme Court ruling? It was claimed that they are too afraid to. That nobody knows the answer the court will give. The main concern is that the court will need to expand and fully explain Aboriginal Rights and the Federal Government likes it a little murky as it is now. Plus; it will take 2 or 3 years because it is so very complicated.
Personally; I would want to know if any of the environmental groups are getting any donations from south of the border because the U.S. would love to keep us land locked and without access to tide water.
A question was asked why Trudeau never asked for a Supreme Court ruling? It was claimed that they are too afraid to. That nobody knows the answer the court will give. The main concern is that the court will need to expand and fully explain Aboriginal Rights and the Federal Government likes it a little murky as it is now. Plus; it will take 2 or 3 years because it is so very complicated.
Personally; I would want to know if any of the environmental groups are getting any donations from south of the border because the U.S. would love to keep us land locked and without access to tide water.
Trudeau is so screwed because he has signed off on this pipeline while there are still 100 First Nations that are threatened by this pipeline and have not even been consulted.
While Mr Trudeau may or may not have the authority to force BC to accept this pipeline these First Nations have sole authority on their own lands.
SO there really is no way the Feds can take this thing to the Supreme Court.
It would open up a can of worms that they do not want to open.
(what do you think they were talking about in caucus today? they are so obviously in an untenable legal position)
While Mr Trudeau may or may not have the authority to force BC to accept this pipeline these First Nations have sole authority on their own lands.
SO there really is no way the Feds can take this thing to the Supreme Court.
It would open up a can of worms that they do not want to open.
(what do you think they were talking about in caucus today? they are so obviously in an untenable legal position)
You're grasping at straws now, Waldo.
BC will enjoy having the pipeline. It will make them money.
I invite you to move there and go live in a tent.
If B.C. doesn't back down, Canada should cut their funds, says Kenney
Mia Rabson, The Canadian Press
OTTAWA -- Pressure is mounting on the federal government to use money or the Constitution to back up its claims that the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project will be built, no matter what.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's cabinet is in Ottawa today for an emergency meeting following news that Kinder Morgan is suspending all non-essential spending on the pipeline until it and its investors feel secure the project won't be derailed by strong opposition from the British Columbia government.
Jason Kenney, leader of Alberta's United Conservative party, said Tuesday that since Trudeau had no qualms withholding more than $60 million from Saskatchewan for not joining the Liberal carbon tax plan, he should follow suit by withholding transfers to B.C. for blocking a pipeline over which it has no jurisdiction.
Kenney said on Twitter that the B.C. government started a "constitutional crisis" and thus far Ottawa hasn't hit back at them with anything.
"Federal transfers to BC's treasury accounted for $8.9b this fiscal year, or almost 17% of BC's budget," he said. "Even a small financial backlash from Ottawa could imperil the province's balanced budget."
Under the Pan Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change, the federal government provided $2 billion in per capita funding for climate change projects but it was available only to provinces that signed onto the framework. Saskatchewan, the only province that didn't sign on, won't get $62 million in guaranteed funding under the program, although it can apply for specific project-based funding along with other provinces and municipal governments.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/if-b...nney-1.3879141
BC will enjoy having the pipeline. It will make them money.
I invite you to move there and go live in a tent.
If B.C. doesn't back down, Canada should cut their funds, says Kenney
Mia Rabson, The Canadian Press
OTTAWA -- Pressure is mounting on the federal government to use money or the Constitution to back up its claims that the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project will be built, no matter what.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's cabinet is in Ottawa today for an emergency meeting following news that Kinder Morgan is suspending all non-essential spending on the pipeline until it and its investors feel secure the project won't be derailed by strong opposition from the British Columbia government.
Jason Kenney, leader of Alberta's United Conservative party, said Tuesday that since Trudeau had no qualms withholding more than $60 million from Saskatchewan for not joining the Liberal carbon tax plan, he should follow suit by withholding transfers to B.C. for blocking a pipeline over which it has no jurisdiction.
Kenney said on Twitter that the B.C. government started a "constitutional crisis" and thus far Ottawa hasn't hit back at them with anything.
"Federal transfers to BC's treasury accounted for $8.9b this fiscal year, or almost 17% of BC's budget," he said. "Even a small financial backlash from Ottawa could imperil the province's balanced budget."
Under the Pan Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change, the federal government provided $2 billion in per capita funding for climate change projects but it was available only to provinces that signed onto the framework. Saskatchewan, the only province that didn't sign on, won't get $62 million in guaranteed funding under the program, although it can apply for specific project-based funding along with other provinces and municipal governments.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/if-b...nney-1.3879141
And what do you plan on driving and heating your house with? I'd bet half the people in the country couldn't even afford to install another source of heat. I guess we could sell all our vehicles for scrap and import rickshaws from China. Idiots!!
Barbara Maye - The big issues seem to be indigenous rights on unceded territories and pressure to hurry past their right to fair court rulings. BC is unique in having unceded territories. Why are we not referring to the current unresolved legal battle? Does the Federal Government ruling supersede that?
Christina Nelson - The single most important question the Trudeau government will address in today's emergency cabinet meeting is whether it will use military force against pipeline opponents in order to ram the Kinder Morgan pipeline through cities, towns, unceeded First Nations' territories, First Nations' Reserves, and expropriated private property. Our democracy is being tested.
Here are some incontrovertible facts to consider -- which apparently Kinder Morgan can no longer deny:
Spilled diluted bitumen (dilbit) cannot be substantially cleaned up nor recovered with currently available skimming technologies in typical B.C. coastal water conditions. The fact that spilled, weathered diluted bitumen sinks in B.C. marine-salt water conditions, particularly in the presence of suspended fine sediment, has been proven in a 2013 joint Environment Canada-NRC-DFO federal government study.[1]
Of crucial note, the study's results from wave tank test times exceeding one hour in length could not be considered with the dilbit products, "... as they adhered to the walls and wave absorbers of the tank, restricting further evaluation. These were unexpected observations that did not transpire during previous work with conventional oils." (Excerpt from page 75 of the report.)
In other words, all of the above wave tank test results were achieved in less than one-hour time periods due to the severe adhesive, tarlike qualities of weathered spilled dilbit -- beyond which the product actually disabled the test equipment.
In fact, these spill characteristics had been aptly demonstrated in the 2010 Kalamazoo River - Enbridge Line 6B pipeline dilbit spill, which resulted in four years of clean-up operations and restitution, involving direct dredging and underwater vacuum operations of 60 kilometres of riverbed, shoreline and wetlands, costing over $1.2 billion USD. In conjunctive comparison, the 1989 Exxon Valdez tanker spill of light crude oil impacted 2,000 kilometres of exposed coastline, of which the toxic effects continue to this day.
With the proposed Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project (TMX), resulting tanker traffic volume will be increased 700 percent, or sevenfold, with scheduled tanker transits expanded from five per month to more than one per day, 408 times per year over a minimum of 20 years, throughout all respective weather conditions, including the renowned phenomenal seasonal storms off the southwest coast of Vancouver Island.
Incidentally, the water region off the south coast of Vancouver Island is considered as one of four most probable areas for a major oil spill in Canada under currently existing shipping volumes, as found in a 2014 study by WSP Canada Inc. for Transport Canada -- whereby the escalation in tanker traffic as a result of the TMX project will increase the spill risks to a 'VERY HIGH' level.[2]
This elevated level of risk will be crucial, since long-termed environmental and socio-economic catastrophe can result from a SINGLE major dilbit tanker spill which cannot be effectively cleaned up nor recovered, and which would include the coasts of southern B.C. and Washington State.
Do the math, and use your common sense, people.
[2] Crude oil proposals create 'very high' B.C. coast risk -- Canadian Press -- CBC News - January 30, 2014
http://www.cbc.ca/…/crude-oil-proposals-create-very-high-b-…
[1] Federal Government Technical Report: Properties, Composition and Marine Spill Behaviour, Fate and Transport of Two Diluted Bitumen Products from the Canadian Oil Sands. Environment Canada. November 30, 2013.
Properties, composition and marine spill behaviour, fate and transport of two diluted bitumen products from the Canadian oil sands : federal government technical report / [jointly issued by] Environment Canada, Emergencies Science and Technology, Fis
Christina Nelson - The single most important question the Trudeau government will address in today's emergency cabinet meeting is whether it will use military force against pipeline opponents in order to ram the Kinder Morgan pipeline through cities, towns, unceeded First Nations' territories, First Nations' Reserves, and expropriated private property. Our democracy is being tested.
Here are some incontrovertible facts to consider -- which apparently Kinder Morgan can no longer deny:
Spilled diluted bitumen (dilbit) cannot be substantially cleaned up nor recovered with currently available skimming technologies in typical B.C. coastal water conditions. The fact that spilled, weathered diluted bitumen sinks in B.C. marine-salt water conditions, particularly in the presence of suspended fine sediment, has been proven in a 2013 joint Environment Canada-NRC-DFO federal government study.[1]
Of crucial note, the study's results from wave tank test times exceeding one hour in length could not be considered with the dilbit products, "... as they adhered to the walls and wave absorbers of the tank, restricting further evaluation. These were unexpected observations that did not transpire during previous work with conventional oils." (Excerpt from page 75 of the report.)
In other words, all of the above wave tank test results were achieved in less than one-hour time periods due to the severe adhesive, tarlike qualities of weathered spilled dilbit -- beyond which the product actually disabled the test equipment.
In fact, these spill characteristics had been aptly demonstrated in the 2010 Kalamazoo River - Enbridge Line 6B pipeline dilbit spill, which resulted in four years of clean-up operations and restitution, involving direct dredging and underwater vacuum operations of 60 kilometres of riverbed, shoreline and wetlands, costing over $1.2 billion USD. In conjunctive comparison, the 1989 Exxon Valdez tanker spill of light crude oil impacted 2,000 kilometres of exposed coastline, of which the toxic effects continue to this day.
With the proposed Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project (TMX), resulting tanker traffic volume will be increased 700 percent, or sevenfold, with scheduled tanker transits expanded from five per month to more than one per day, 408 times per year over a minimum of 20 years, throughout all respective weather conditions, including the renowned phenomenal seasonal storms off the southwest coast of Vancouver Island.
Incidentally, the water region off the south coast of Vancouver Island is considered as one of four most probable areas for a major oil spill in Canada under currently existing shipping volumes, as found in a 2014 study by WSP Canada Inc. for Transport Canada -- whereby the escalation in tanker traffic as a result of the TMX project will increase the spill risks to a 'VERY HIGH' level.[2]
This elevated level of risk will be crucial, since long-termed environmental and socio-economic catastrophe can result from a SINGLE major dilbit tanker spill which cannot be effectively cleaned up nor recovered, and which would include the coasts of southern B.C. and Washington State.
Do the math, and use your common sense, people.
[2] Crude oil proposals create 'very high' B.C. coast risk -- Canadian Press -- CBC News - January 30, 2014
http://www.cbc.ca/…/crude-oil-proposals-create-very-high-b-…
[1] Federal Government Technical Report: Properties, Composition and Marine Spill Behaviour, Fate and Transport of Two Diluted Bitumen Products from the Canadian Oil Sands. Environment Canada. November 30, 2013.
Properties, composition and marine spill behaviour, fate and transport of two diluted bitumen products from the Canadian oil sands : federal government technical report / [jointly issued by] Environment Canada, Emergencies Science and Technology, Fis
Our democracy is not being tested.
The pipeline has been approved and there have been significant legislative and environmental checks in place to satisfy that approval.
Those opposing it right now are a fringe group who don't have sufficient evidence to justify their position.
The pipeline has been approved and there have been significant legislative and environmental checks in place to satisfy that approval.
Those opposing it right now are a fringe group who don't have sufficient evidence to justify their position.