RCAF Chinooks being prepared for Mali mission

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The boys are making preparations for the Mali mission. Our people are top notch. I wish them the best.
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RCAF Chinooks being prepared for Mali mission - African troops from UN force face casualties from IEDs
- David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen


This is a Chinook.

Canadian helicopter crews and support personnel are headed to Mali and while there are dangers associated with any operation they have a much better chance of avoiding casualties than do the United Nations soldiers from Africa who are being killed on the ground, says a defence analyst who just finished working with the United Nations.

Canada announced Monday it would send two RCAF Chinook helicopters from the military base at Petawawa, Ont. as well as four armed Griffon helicopters to act as escorts for those larger aircraft. There will also be support personnel for the helicopters being sent to Mali, a country that since 2013 has been dealing with insurgents and armed Islamic extremists.

Of the 164 military personnel killed in the Mali mission, 71 were from accidents or from illnesses, according to the Department of National Defence.

“Most (combat) fatalities are for African troops in vehicles hit by IEDs,” said Walter Dorn, a professor at the Royal Military College who has just returned from Africa where he was conducting research for the UN. IED refers to improvised explosive device or roadside bombs.

Well-equipped western forces have a much better chance of survival, he added.

The bulk of the 11,400-member force is made up of UN troops from African and Asian nations such as Bangladesh, Burkina Faso, Chad, Niger, Senegal and Togo.

“The lack of armoured personnel carriers, including mine protected vehicles, remain a major obstacle to the mission’s operations,” warned a UN report published Dec. 26.

Last month four UN soldiers in Mali were killed and four others wounded when their vehicle hit an IED. The day before six Malian soldiers were killed in a similar blast. In November 2017 a UN convoy was ambushed, with four soldiers killed and sixteen wounded. In September, three UN soldiers were killed and five injured after their vehicle hit an IED.

Canadian government sources say Canadian military personnel are not expected to conduct extensive travel on the country’s dangerous roadways and most will either be operating aircraft or supporting those helicopters from an airbase.

No helicopters have been shot down by insurgents, Dorn noted.

But there has been four fatalities as a result of helicopter crashes because of technical or mechanical issues. In March 2015 a Dutch Apache attack helicopter crashed in northern Mali, killing its two crew members.

In July 2017 a German military Tiger helicopter crashed in the north of the country, killing two on board. Issues with the helicopter’s autopilot have been blamed for the incident.

In July 2016 two Dutch soldiers assigned to the UN mission in Mali died during a training exercise when a faulty mortar round prematurely exploded. A Dutch investigation determined that stocks of old mortar rounds were being used. The older munitions had been purchased with the help of the Pentagon in a rush to supply the Dutch mission but proper safety procedures were not followed. In October 2017, Dutch Defence Minister Jeanine Hennis took responsibility for the accident and resigned.

Asked Monday about the potential for Canadian casualties, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said the government was aware of the “difficulties of the situation in Mali.”

RCAF Chinooks being prepared for Mali mission – African troops from UN force face casualties from IEDs | Ottawa Citizen
 

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Good luck, boys and girls! Come back safe and whole and try to make Mali a slightly better place, if you can.

(p.s. Try to bring the helicopters back without too many dents in them. They're not paid for, yet.)
 

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Your folks are great! I wish them the very best of luck.

But the Chinook? Oh, dear. They're gonna need the luck. Buggiest aircraft ever.
 

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Your folks are great! I wish them the very best of luck.

But the Chinook? Oh, dear. They're gonna need the luck. Buggiest aircraft ever.

They are sending our underpowered Gryphon Bell Hueys to escort them, configured as helicopter gunships. The Chinooks might end up escorting the Gryphons.
 
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Can't shoot it down if it doesn't fly...
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...also helpful for anti theft purposes too.

As far as support goes, there was a roomer that support girders might be sent...in order to give the support staff some rest. Supporting those old machines is hard on the arms.
 

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I question if they can come up with 260 aircrew for this asshat mission
 

Curious Cdn

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That's a Cyclone, not a Chinook. Cyclones are ghost choppers.

Cyclones are the newest of the new. If they're anything like the last generation of shipboard Sikorsky helicopters, they'll still be flying when our grandchildren are collecting pensions.
 

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I was still serving with the military when they were ordered. The delays were pitiful. The guys in Halifax used to joke about someone spotting a ghost chopper flying around the harbour. 28 were ordered in 2004. As if 2018, we have 11. That's pitiful.

CH-148 Cyclone purchase | Aircraft | Canadian Armed Forces

Back to the Chinooks. At least these are flying and are being used. Now in Mali.
 

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But there has been four fatalities as a result of helicopter crashes because of technical or mechanical issues. In March 2015 a Dutch Apache attack helicopter crashed in northern Mali, killing its two crew members.

In July 2017 a German military Tiger helicopter crashed in the north of the country, killing two on board. Issues with the helicopter’s autopilot have been blamed for the incident.


They are crashing from the heat.



(p.s. Try to bring the helicopters back without too many dents in them. They're not paid for, yet.)

I doubt they are coming back.

Mali too hot for half of Bundeswehr MINUSMA vehicles

Bundeswehr service vehicles can't take Mali's heat, a German newspaper reported. According to the daily, only about half of German military vehicles sent to a UN base in the West African desert are still running.


Mali too hot for half of Bundeswehr MINUSMA vehicles | News | DW | 19.04.2017

They are sending our underpowered Gryphon Bell Hueys to escort them, configured as helicopter gunships. The Chinooks might end up escorting the Gryphons.

The Chinooks will be flying alone.
But it's ok, after all it's a 'peacekeeping' mission, no one will be shooting at them


Suitability for role

The CH-146 was purchased by the CF to replace four existing helicopters, the CH-136 Kiowa in the observation role, the CH-135 Twin Huey in the army tactical role, the CH-118 Iroquois in the base rescue role and the heavy lift CH-147 Chinook. From the time of its purchase defence analysts have been critical of the aircraft pointing to its procurement as politically motivated and that the aircraft cannot adequately fill any of its intended roles. It has been termed "a civilian designed and built aircraft, with only a coat of green paint."[18][19]
Writing in 2006 defence analyst Sharon Hobson said:
The Griffon helicopter has become almost a laughing stock. It is underpowered for the transport role the army needs it to play, and it’s too big for a reconnaissance role. At a time when the Canadian Forces are thirsting for equipment, it’s telling that about 20 of the Griffons have been parked.[18]
The CH-146 was ruled out for the Afghan mission by General Rick Hillier when he was Chief of Defence Staff in 2008 due to being underpowered. It has also been criticised for being underpowered by Martin Shadwick, a defence analyst and professor at York University. Shadwick stated in July 2009:[20]
Its engines are fine for most domestic requirements in Canada and a more moderate temperature, but [the Griffon] doesn't really have the horsepower to reach its full potential in a place like Afghanistan.[20]



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_CH-146_Griffon
Mali is hotter than Afghanistan.






I question if they can come up with 260 aircrew for this asshat mission

Women, lots of women, this is the priority for the Lieberals.
 

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I don't know about all the crashes, but the German Tiger was an improperly set autopilot.
 

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Were it a true "peace" mission, I would support it but it's not. Our guys and gals are in for a rough ride I hope and pray they come back safely but if they don't, it's all on Trudeau!!


JMHO
 

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Were it a true "peace" mission, I would support it but it's not. Our guys and gals are in for a rough ride I hope and pray they come back safely but if they don't, it's all on Trudeau!!


JMHO
Agreed. I always thought the job of Peacekeepers was to keep an already established peace even if it's just an uneasy peace, not jump smack into the middle of a full-on shootin' war. It makes it extremely difficult for the Peacekeepers who have to deal with the UN's suffocating ROE.