Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Twin_Moose]

Spike in gun and gang violence in Canada has experts worried

Politicians, law enforcement experts, academics and community members have gathered in Ottawa for the Summit on Gun and Gang Violence to discuss a troubling increase in gun-related incidents and gang activity in Canada.
The summit is being hosted by Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, who in November announced the federal government would be spending $327.6 million over five years on anti-gun and gang initiatives, and $100 million annually thereafter.
"We're seeing young males resorting to the use of firearms where they hadn't in the past," said Insp. Mark Patterson of the Ottawa Police Service's guns and gangs unit.
Patterson, who is attending the summit, said he's looking forward to getting a national perspective on the issue that goes beyond law enforcement.
"What's happening in Toronto might not be what's happening here [and] what's happening in Montreal," he said.
Like other major cities in the country, the capital has seen a spike in shootings and gang-related violence. In 2017, there were 74 shootings in Ottawa compared to just 32 in 2013.

"We're struggling in relation to why that's happening," said Patterson, noting that more and more gang members are using guns to settle personal and drug disputes.
Last December, Ottawa police arrested 13 people and seized two dozen firearms following a six-month investigation called "Project Sabotage" . One of the firearms recovered by police had a 'bump stock', an illegal modification that simulates the firing characteristics of a fully automatic weapon.
Patterson said some of the weapons were stolen from lawful gun owners.
"Now we're seeing a trend of maybe 50/50, if not more domestically-sourced guns as opposed to smuggled guns from the United States," he said.

Looking at the data

In 2016, police reported 141 gang‑related homicides in Canada — 112 of them firearm-related — according to Statistics Canada Director General Lynn Barr-Telford, who is responsible for health and justice statistics.
"Since 2013, we've seen, in our largest cities, that gang-related homicides have almost doubled," she said.
Barr-Telford will discuss trends in gun crime and gang-related homicides at the summit, as well areas where experts can improve their knowledge.
"Some of the things that we don't know are things such as the link between firearm-related crime and organized crime or the the origin of firearms involved in gun crime."
Barr-Telford said that Regina and Winnipeg have the highest rates of firearm-related violent crime among Canadian cities, followed by Moncton, Edmonton and Toronto.

The impact on communities

Liberal MP Bill Blair spent nearly 40 years as a Toronto police officer, and the last 10 years of his career as Toronto's police chief. He said the availability of illegal guns — especially ones with larger-capacity magazines — has had a horrible impact on communities.

"When there is an incidence of violence, it can result in many random victims," he said.
"It has a very negative effect in taking away people's sense of safety and security in their communities because these crimes are shocking and frightening for people."
Blair said he believes that while police agencies need government support to combat gun and gang violence, communities also can tackle the problem.
"Community-based interventions involving different social service providers, educators and community members can also play a significant role," he said.

 

[JamesBondo]

How about the fact that an organization as poltically savvy as the NRA don't lay down 4 1/2 mil without knowing exactly what they're buying?

I know you're not American, and you have much saner campaign-finance laws, but trust me, that kind of money buys a lot.

Nice diversion, though.

5 million is small potatoes compared to canada. Labour unions among the top 50 donors to the NDP gave*$12.79 million between 2005 and 2015, accounting for more than 30 per cent of the NDP’s total contributions of $42 million, which highlights the concentration and potential influence of the top donors, according to a Postmedia examination.

https://www.google.ca/amp/vancouver...t-amenable-to-banning-their-contributions/amp

the NRA is a voluntary membership, but union dues are mandatory at least in canada where we had the historical decision from Rand during a Ford strike.

You can choose not to support the NRA if they donate to a party that you do not like. I can choose to not to support my union if they donate to a party that I don't like ONLY by changing jobs.

 

[JLM]

You can choose not to support the NRA if they donate to a party that you do not like. I can choose to not to support my union if they donate to a party that I don't like ONLY by changing jobs.

I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say "most" but many of our Unions are a prime example of dictatorship!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say "most" but many of our Unions are a prime example of dictatorship!

You mean they kill or imprison you if you dissent from the official line?

 

[DaSleeper]

You mean they kill or imprison you if you dissent from the official line?

Where is Jimmy Hoffa?

 

[Hoid]

Once again - the NRA membership is incidental to that organization. In their current form they are a lobby for arms makers and have been since the mid 1970s when they were taken over by all those hippy lawyers from the 60s who turned everything into political special interest groups. The NRA andthe Sierra Club are two leading examples of these things

 

[Cannuck]

Where is Jimmy Hoffa?

Do you have any evidence that a sizeable numbers of union leaders are involved in organized crime or are you just spewing your usual idiotic nonsense?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well, under Maryland law, I'm not allowed to own an AR-15. So I bought this instead:

So, yay to the Maryland legislature for protecting the children from high-capacity weapons of war!

 

[Walter]

Where is Jimmy Hoffa?

Bruce found him.

 

[Colpy]

how did the police stop the last shooting?

they didn't.

the kid laid down his gun and left. He later gave himself up without a struggle. That is the new model.

So, the Law Enforcement element failed to do their duty over 40 times before and during the shooting, thus allowing it to happen.

The "progressives" solution?

Disarm all the good people, and let Law Enforcement protect them.

Uh huh.

Where is Jimmy Hoffa?

When I was in the Teamsters' Union, he was running the place.

Jimmy Hoffa Jr., that is.

Yeah, I couldn't believe it either.

 

[JLM]

You mean they kill or imprison you if you dissent from the official line?

You obviously still haven't got the message about putting words in people's mouths.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You obviously still haven't got the message about putting words in people's mouths.

Well, it can be hard to figure out exactly what the f*ck somebody who says unions are dictatorships means, considering dictatorship is a form of government.

Sorry, I don't speak Moron very well.

 

[JLM]

Where is Jimmy Hoffa?

Bones shouldn't be taken too seriously. I give him a good bitch slap every couple of weeks! :lol:

Well, it can be hard to figure out exactly what the f*ck somebody who says unions are dictatorships means, considering dictatorship is a form of government.

Sorry, I don't speak Moron very well.

Don't sell yourself short - you do an excellent job of speaking Moron. What are Unions if they are not a fourth level of Government or at least try to be?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Bones shouldn't be taken too seriously. I give him a good bitch slap every couple of weeks! :lol:

You talk a mean fight for an old coward.

 

[JLM]

You talk a mean fight for an old coward.

And you are full of shit so that makes us even. You'd be the expert on cowards, I use common sense.

Sorry, I don't speak Moron very well.

If you need help with speaking Moron, maybe Putz can help you!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

And you are full of shit so that makes us even. You'd be the expert on cowards, I use common sense.



If you need help with speaking Moron, maybe Putz can help you!

That's OK, I'm picking some up from an old moron who thinks unions are a form of government. He's a lifelong speaker of Moron.

 

[Curious Cdn]

When I was in the Teamsters' Union, he was running the place.

Jimmy Hoffa Jr., that is.

Yeah, I couldn't believe it either.

Holy crap, you're older than I am.

Do you remember Bugs Moran, as well?

 

[Hoid]

Law enforcement did the best they could do. There is no way to get to a random shooting within the 6 minutes it took start to finish. How could that be done?

Calling that a failure is just one more standard nra ploy.

 

[JamesBondo]

what is the average length of a shooting, 30 seconds? police 6 minutes away are not going to get there until after someone is dead.

 

[Curious Cdn]

what is the average length of a shooting, 30 seconds? police 6 minutes away are not going to get there until after someone is dead.

If everyone is well enough armed, you can increase the efficiency of that dramatically and kill several people in thirty seconds instead if just one measily corpse. Onward and upward!