history has definitely been invented

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Invented ages



[FONT=&quot]In relation to traditional Western history, which is largely fabricated, six ages can be distinguished.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Old Testament period begins with the creation of the world in the year minus 5508 and ends with the invasion of Antiochus Epiphanes in Jerusalem which was placed in the year minus 167. Regarding the central line of Jewish history, the Old Testament time was construc*ted by means of a historicising interpretation of the biblical stories. The history of the return from the Babylonian captivity to the invasion of Antiochus in Jerusalem was invented in the Antiquitates Judaicae, the second work ascribed to Flavius ​​Josephus.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The New Testament period begins with the invasion of Antiochus Epiphanes in Jerusalem in the year minus 167 and ends with the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem that was placed in the year 70. In relation to some particular calculations, the New Testament time has been extended to the death of Emperor Vespasian in the year 79, or the death of his son Emperor Titus in the year 81. The history of the New Testament time is completely fabricated. Elements of the Greco-Roman Commonwealth are not made up, but have been distorted and moved to another time.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The ancient church time begins with the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem in the year 70, and ends 1330 years later in the year 1400. For the furnishing of the old church time the creators of history first designed a skeleton, and then filled this framework with political history and writings. The old church period contains the second part of antiquity and the Middle Ages. The history of the old ecclesiastical era is almost entirely made up.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In the calculations of the makers of history, Renaissance begins in the year 1330 and merges into modern times. The Renaissance can be considerd as an iceberg. What we call the renaissance is the visible top of the iceberg. The much largers part under water can be called the protorenaissance, a period of great creativity. In the proto-renaissance the preceding three ages have been created and the most important literary works belonging to this three ages. As the creation of the three preceding ages had to be hided, also the renaissance belongs to the ages with invented history.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The three invented ages Old Testament time, New Testament time and Old Ecclesial Time, replace the real but unknown history of the Old World or First World. In history criticism, a growing consensus states that the Old World came to an end due to a worldwide catastrophe that modified thoroughly the conditions on earth. Some place the catastrophe in 1350, others in 1550, still others around 1688 or even later, and always with good arguments. According to some authors, a solution should be found by accepting two or even tree world catastrophes separates by about 200 years. I on my part think that different calendars and eras have been used, with overlapping ages, as to hide the two hundred years of recovery of civilisation after the catastrope.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In modern times, traditional Western history became the standard history, and standard history was underpinned by scientifical justification. Nearly the entire invented history had been integrated in standard history, except for the creation of the world in six earthly days, which had been replaced by the not les funny millions and millions of years of earth history. From 1648 onwards, the history of the own time became somewhat more reliable, but the invention and falsification of history has never stopped, and reached a new high in the nineteenth century.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Perhaps in contemporary times the falsified history will collapse and disappear in the abyss of time. Perhaps a beginning will be made with the liberation of humans from falsified history AND the repressed real history. Perhaps, I say, because standard history is stubborn, and radical criticism of history is mixed up with fringe science. If is a lonely job. If I would write my blog in Russian, I would have immediately dozens of colleagues with equally wide-ranging approaches. In the West you can find webites making a spectacle out of the theories of Fomenko or Velikovsky, but rare are those who really contribute to history and chronlogy criticism, and most of them are writing in German. Perhaps the collapsing of invented history will not be the effort of scattered critics, but of the changing times themselves.[/FONT]
 

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Another Christophobe thread.

History starts tomorrow for the left.
 

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You can talk about history or you can talk about the bible. They are not the same thing.
 

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Yes. But it does not contain history. It contains fiction.
 

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That's what I'd expect you to say, Flossy. Ever the contrarian. The forum troll. I think it's bedtime for you.
 

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Another Christophobe thread.

History starts tomorrow for the left.

Catholic= universal, as in one world/ one government/ one way. There is no doubt as regards the intent of the churches confederation nor about its conspiracy to rule the world nor is there any doubt as to who those behind this conspiracy were and are.History starts everyday Walter. The average person is required to be informed about dayly weather events, bus scheduals, filling out tax forms and popular fashion,they certainly do not require factual histories to perform up to expectations. A long time ago it was determined that a fully informed public was not a good idea in the eyes of the powerful elite, and that factual education would be counter productive to continued domination of power by that elite.
Much of the written history of mankind on this planet was burned by that very same Catholic Church whereever they could get thier hands on it whenever they conquered lands and peoples. They have failed and will be rewarded accordingly.

True, but the Bible is part of history.

The Bible is an early form of tinfoil for adherants. It is a part of history, yes, but certainly not correct history.
 

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Much of history of every nation is fabricated: legends of the British early kings and related things and related men like Rubin Hood and related events .. most of these are fabricated or at least exaggerated so much.

The Arab legends also are similar like some heroic characters : Antar and the like most of such persons and events are exaggerated if not invented.

The Israelite have their great deal in this respect like other peoples and more, because they distorted the Heavenly Books revealed from God.

But it can't be that all history is fabricated .. you can say exaggerated or distorted .. but at least a great part of it is fabricated.

On the other hand: what is told in the original Torah and Gospel is authentic and true .. but the present Torah (the Old Testament) and the Gospel (included in the New Testament) are not the original .. therefore, much of the Torah is fabricated .. but certainly not all of it. The distortion and contradictions in the Gospel is so evident and obvious to the thinker and to those who use their minds in a rational way.

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#the_lies_of_ezra
 

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Leon Alberti is still living in classical antiquity

The famous architect /philosopher Leon Battista Alberti died in 1472. He wrote a textbook ON architecture in Latin, De re aedificatoria. He continued working on it all his life. The first edition appeared in Florence in 1485. The work was translated into Italian, French, English and Spanish in the following years. Many refer to him as a great master in architecture.

Alberti is only talking about the classic building style. He describes the five orders: the Tuscan, the Doric, the Ionic, the Corinthian and the Mixed. The types of buildings that he discusses belong to the ancient world. And that ancient world represents a tradition for him, but at the same time what we call the ancient world belongs for him to the present. Alberti dedicates a chapter to the construction of theaters. Nowhere does it appear that ancient theaters are no longer being built. The same in the following chapter about the amphitheater and the circus. Nowhere does it appear that this type of construction is no longer being built. Nowhere he talks about the Christian ban on theaters and circus games. On the contrary, Alberti explains the educational and cultural significance of the theater.

In the whole work of Alberti there is no mention of Christianity and Christian churches. Not one chapter is devoted to the construction of Christian churches. The subject does not exist for Alberti. He is talking about religion, and considers religion as a dimension of the republic. He also uses the term "republica sacra". This includes a number of public buildings, such as a curia for the senate, a basilica for the judges, a castle for the monarch, a temple for the pontifex. Religion is part of the political system, and the political system is also religious. The preconception of standard history, that state and religion are different quantities, which can collaborate or not, is still unknown to Alberti.

Alberti devotes the entire book VII of his work to the construction and furnishing of temples. He talks in detail about porches and colonnades, pillars, chapels, ornaments, vaults, gates and windows. This temples are what we call pagan Greco-Roman temples. Here too, Alberti considers this type of construction as belonging to the present. In the chapter on altars, candlesticks and cult instruments he points to the use of putting a sign of the cross on the altar, but there appears to be nothing Christian about it. Even when he talks about the use of the seven-armed candlestick, it turns out that there is nothing Jewish about it. Because he immediately says that the interior is designed to offer sacrifices, and to eat and drink together in order to establish community. Meanwhile the participants listen to the divine mysteries. Thereafter, a collection is done that is divided by the bishop under the poor. What Alberti says here is still part of the "system of John", the religion of which Christianity is a reform. The basilicas served as courts. They were given a T-shape with portals as to give entrance and space for lawyers and judges. The basilicas then went on imitating the temples, he says, but he does not say anything about the use of basilicas as Christian churches.

Still in book VII on the construction and furnishing of temples, he also talks about the problem of statues in the temples. Some do not want images in the temples, and say that King Numa forbade that, in agreement with the Pythagorean. Others point out that God is honored with images of creatures and that, using images, the ordinary people are easily moved to piety. This shows that there is a possible debate about images that has nothing to do with Christianity. Alberti thinks that images are useful, but adds that one should not be ridiculous, like some who put God in the garden as a bird's shock.


Architecture manuals like the book of Albarti deal with columns, doors, windows and chimneys. They look technical and innocent. Probably that is the reason while they escaped censorship. Alberti's book provides us with surprising access to true history. At the end of the fifteenth century he is still living in classical antiquity. Christianity does not exist of him. He is not living either in a world of “multiple religions”, supposing that religions are private matter and a question of personal choice. For him, religion is just a dimension of the republic.

Much of history of every nation is fabricated: legends of the British early kings and related things and related men like Rubin Hood and related events .. most of these are fabricated or at least exaggerated so much.

The Arab legends also are similar like some heroic characters : Antar and the like most of such persons and events are exaggerated if not invented.

The Israelite have their great deal in this respect like other peoples and more, because they distorted the Heavenly Books revealed from God.

But it can't be that all history is fabricated .. you can say exaggerated or distorted .. but at least a great part of it is fabricated.

On the other hand: what is told in the original Torah and Gospel is authentic and true .. but the present Torah (the Old Testament) and the Gospel (included in the New Testament) are not the original .. therefore, much of the Torah is fabricated .. but certainly not all of it. The distortion and contradictions in the Gospel is so evident and obvious to the thinker and to those who use their minds in a rational way.

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#the_lies_of_ezra

I think you are being reasonable with regard to your opinion of history as presented to the common general public.
 

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Much of history of every nation is fabricated: legends of the British early kings and related things and related men like Rubin Hood and related events .. most of these are fabricated or at least exaggerated so much.

The Arab legends also are similar like some heroic characters : Antar and the like most of such persons and events are exaggerated if not invented.

The Israelite have their great deal in this respect like other peoples and more, because they distorted the Heavenly Books revealed from God.

But it can't be that all history is fabricated .. you can say exaggerated or distorted .. but at least a great part of it is fabricated.

On the other hand: what is told in the original Torah and Gospel is authentic and true .. but the present Torah (the Old Testament) and the Gospel (included in the New Testament) are not the original .. therefore, much of the Torah is fabricated .. but certainly not all of it. The distortion and contradictions in the Gospel is so evident and obvious to the thinker and to those who use their minds in a rational way.

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#the_lies_of_ezra

The Koran is a work of fiction about a pedophile cult.
 

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Certainly much of history is certainly fabricated and distorted because of many reasons:
1- People are inclined to exaggerate and invent things.
2- The religious leaders add much to exaggerate and glorify some persons and belittle others.
3- The political men: chiefs, kings and others invent lies about some figures so as to get the public opinion to their side.

On the other hand, it can't be all history is invented; the Torah included in the Old Testament gives a good deal of correct history mingled with false history, because the present Torah is not the original one.

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#The_Torah_[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_

The Koran is a work of fiction about a pedophile cult.

This is not correct because it is the word of a hater and anti-Islam bigot.
The Quran is not fiction, and it is not related to any pedophile other than only the assertion of a Zionist.

One point proves this: the Quran meaning is unknown to Muslims and non-Muslims until the interpreter explained it: so the Arab and non-Arab did not understand it, so how can it be fabricated while none knows its implications?

Because the fabricated should be known, not unknown.
 
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Certainly much of history is certainly fabricated and distorted because of many reasons:
1- People are inclined to exaggerate and invent things.
2- The religious leaders add much to exaggerate and glorify some persons and belittle others.
3- The political men: chiefs, kings and others invent lies about some figures so as to get the public opinion to their side.

On the other hand, it can't be all history is invented; the Torah included in the Old Testament gives a good deal of correct history mingled with false history, because the present Torah is not the original one.

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#The_Torah_[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_

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This is not correct because it is the word of a hater and anti-Islam bigot.
The Quran is not fiction, and it is not related to any pedophile other than only the assertion of a Zionist.
Mohamed was a pedophile as is anyone that believes his nut bars book.
 

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This is your lie: I mean you want to believe it.

Can you think it over and say to yourself this notion may be wrong? You can't because you want to believe your lie and so you insist on it.

Moreover, this thread is about the false history: so why do you insist on this, and don't say to yourself it may be part of the fabricated history?

In other words: you may admit that history is fabricated, but to this notion of the pedophile etc. you don't consider as fabricated!?
 
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This is your lie: I mean you want to believe it.
Can you think it over and say to yourself this notion may be wrong? You can't because you want to believe your lie and so you insist on it.

Prove your gawd is real and I will believe you. But until you bring her by for coffee you are just another demented windbag.
 

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First of all see how you call Him: "your gawd" and you don't say: "your God" which indicates how you shield yourself against believing.

Moreover, you call God: "her" and you don't say: Him, which gives the same implication that you shield yourself against yielding to the possibility of believing.

So all this indicates you are not willing to believe, so how will you discuss anything about which you are not willing to know the truth?

It means you follow your desire rather than your seeking after the truth.

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The truth is so obvious about God Almighty and Creator; but it is a matter of guidance and misguidance.
This thread is a good example of guidance and misguidance.
It can't be the entire history is fabricated and invented.

E.g. the Children of Israel: it can't be there were no "Children of Israel" and they did not get out of Egypt where once they had been there.

Some believes in God and in His messenger Moses, while others do not believe .. So you who does not believe in God and in His messenger Moses on the pretext that history is fabricated: why do you prefer to insist on this, and you don't put in your mind at least the possibility that Moses was authentic and true personality?

so this is a good example of the guidance and misguidance which is up to God and may not be relate to any argument;

i.e. if you give to the atheist and blasphemer all the arguments and he sees all that before his sight, he will not believe: because he does not desire for the belief: it is a matter of guidance and misguidance which is up to God alone:

God guides whomever He likes to guide and misguides whomever He likes to misguide .. because He knows the essence of their souls and what they deserve of either the guidance or misguidance ..

>> So He guided Mohammed and misguided his uncle Abu Lahab,
>> He guided Noah and misguided his grandson Canaan,
>> He guided Abraham and misguided his father Tareh (or Azar),
>> He guided Lot and misguided his wife; etc.

If God likes to guide anyone He makes his heart open to listen and to accept the guidance, and if He likes to misguide anyone He makes his heart hard and disliking the belief so he will not respond to any argument.

Quran 6: 125, which means:
(Whomsoever God desires to guide i, He makes him rejoice in [accepting] the Islam j;

whomsoever He desires to lead astray
k, He makes his chest tight l, as if he were engaged in ascending in the sky m;

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n God lays 'psychological illness' on those who believe not [about the Next Life.])
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125 i To the Islam, because of his kindness towards the poor and the weak, and because of his good conduct.

125 j By letting him like the Islam, and by casting light in his heart, so he will be guided and will convert and become a Muslim.

125 k From the way of the truth, because of his wronging people and his transgression on the weak, so He will cast on him a psychological illness.

125 l Embarrassed: accepting not the invitation to the Islam, and he does not listen to it.

125 m Because of his much embarrassment about it, and his dejecting it.

God gives such parable about the tightness of chest by going up and up in the sky, because the oxygen will be less and less as man goes up in the sky, where he will not find there oxygen sufficient for his inhalation.

Second: As man goes up in the sky, the external pressure of air will be less than that on earth, and so the chest of man will be tight and the respiration will be difficult for him.

125 n i.e. Similarly, like that psychological illness, God lays 'illness' on those who believe not [about the Next Life.]

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/6.htm#a6_125
quran-ayat.com/pret/6.htm#a6_125

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So why don't you be like Abdullah son of Salam who was a Jewish scholar in the time of Prophet Mohammed and he converted and believed together with few Jews, while the rest did not believe?

And why don't you be like Dr. Ahmed Sosa the Iraqi qualified man who had his PHD from USA in agriculture and irrigation (as I remember), and belonged to a rich Jewish family in Hilla in Iraq, and he converted and became a Muslim and wrote many books considered as references?

Or like Leopold who was a European Jew, and he converted and translated the meaning of the Quran to English and his name became Mohammed Assad?

But most of Zionists insist on their blasphemy because they have been grown up with hatred and rancor against the Islam, and God does not guide most of them because of their wrong-doing and transgression.
 
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Time to talk cookies!

No discussion of religion would be complete without a nice recipe. Cookies are a quick, simple snack fod while sitting around, discussing how to blow up the ME.

These a Brown Sugar Beer Cookies. Who says you cannot enjoy a snack and chat too?

Ingredients


  • 3/4 cup unsalted butter softened
  • 1 1/4 cups packed light brown sugar
  • 1 large egg yolk
  • 1/3 cup brown ale beer
  • 1/2 tsp vanilla extract
  • 1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
  • 1 cup bread flour
  • 1 1/4 tsp baking soda
  • 1 tsp baking powder
  • 1/2 tsp salt
  • 1 tsp corn starch
  • 1/4 tsp ground cinnamon



 

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Ptolomaeus of Lucca on papal world rule

[FONT=&quot]A Tractatus de origine ac translatione et statu Romanii imperii is attributed to Ptolomaeus of Lucca (1236-1327). It is one of the remarkable works in which we find a different approach to history than the standard version. This remains the case when this work should date from a later time, as I suspect. In this work, the pope is considered the actual ruler of the world, in a political-religious sense, without any separation of politics and religion. The pope can entrust the empire or commanderhood to whomever he wants. Pope Silvester gave to Constantine the empire of the East, but he himself occupied the empire for the West. Afterwards, the pope entrusted the entire empire to the Greeks, that is to say the emperor of Constantinople. When a conflict arose between the pope and the emperor about the use of images and statues, the pope transferred the empire from the Greeks to the Franks, in other words the Gauls. That already happened in the time of Pepijn, but only really succeeded with Charlemagne. For seven generations, the Franks had the empire, up to the effeminate Emperor Arnulf. The pope and the cardinals then gave the emperorship to Otto, and so the empire passed from the Franks to the Germans. A council of electors was then assembled, which from then on decided on the appointment of the emperor. These seven electors are, according to Ptolomaeus of Lucca, the prelate of Cologne, the chancellor of Italia, the prelate of Trier, the chancellor of Gallia, the prelate of Mainz, the chancellor of Germania, the Marquis of Brandenburg, the Duke of Bavaria and the king of Bohemia. So according to Ptolemaeus, Gallia is also part of the Holy Roman Empire. The seven electors represent the world administration. The electors are one thing, but the confirmation and coronation of the empire is done by the pontifex, who holds the ultimate power. Throughout history, a transfer of the empire has happened several times. If the pope is not satisfied, he may give the emperorship in other hands. After all, the pope is the spiritual father of all peoples, and not just the leader of the church.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Deeply entrenched prejudices about history are rightly drilled into the ground through documents like the Tractatus of Ptolomaeus. There was no king in Gallia, but a chancellor, and Gallia and the other landscapes were part of the universal commonwealth. Religion and politics, church and state, where not yet separate entities. The development of sovereign states and the separation of the secular and spiritual dimensions, belong to modern times.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We have to consider the eventuality that the pontifex maximus system belongs to the old world, prior to the great catastrophe.[/FONT]
 

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US research of earth-moon mechanics by NASA astrophysicist Robert Newton leads mathematicians of Moscow State University to a breakthrough in the chronology of Russia and world history.

'The Issue with Czar's Helmet' from the e-series History: Fiction or Science? asks why the Armour of Russian warlords of XIV-XVI centuries was all covered with Arabic inscriptions from Quran they could not possibly read. Or could they?
Russian Czars Alexander Nevsky and Ivan the Terrible wore helmets with Arabic inscriptions. Were the thousands of helmets, swords, sabers, shields, armor with Arabic inscriptions kept in Armoury of Kremlin the rich spoils of war with Arabs, Turks or the presents of their ambassadors to Russian Czars?

No, they are neither the spoils of war of victorious Russian Horde troops nor the presents from subjugated kingdoms and princes. They all are were made in Russia by Russian craftsmen of XIV-XVII centuries.

According to Dr. Fomenko et al Russia was a trilingual state with Russian, Arabic, and Turkic as two official languages. Letters considered Arabic nowadays were used for transcribing Russian words.

Russia, Turkey, and Persia had been part of the same Great = “Mongolian” Empire until the very end of the XVII century when it disintegrated during the Great Strife.

Who, When and Why invented Antiquity and Dark Ages?

The consensual world history was manufactured in Europe in XVI-XIX centuries with political agenda of powers of that period on the basis of erroneous clerical chronology elaborated by Jesuits Joseph Justus Scaliger and Dionysius Petavius.
⦁By the middle of XVI th century the prime political agenda of Europe that reached superiority in Sciences and Technologies, but was still inferior militarily to the Evil Empire of Eurasia, was to free Europe.
⦁The concerted effort of European aristocracy, black and white Catholic clergy, Protestants, humanists and scientists in XV - XVII th centuries in creation and dissemination of fictional Ancient World served this agenda.
⦁The fictional Ancient World was created by representing events of XI-XVI centuries as ones that happened thousands of years before according to the ancient sources they wrote by authorities they invented.
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