Team Trump Pushed Russian Propaganda Days Before Election

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Trump's actions with the Russians was nothing short of brilliant..... Won him the Presidency hands down.

Clinton is pissed cause she didn't think of it first
IF his "win" was assisted by the Russians then he did not win on his own merit. It also makes the validity of his "win" questionable. As far as dirty and underhanded and unethical "politics go......yep it was "brilliant."

But he was not elected for his high morals ,(crotch grabber /perversion standards and ethics. He promised JOBS......no matter how much he has to destroy to achieve this Ie Isolate the US with the america first premise. IF folks are getting the jobs then no matter what else he does or says doesn't seem to matter. Qualifications or professionalism don't seem to matter to his supporters.
 

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IF his "win" was assisted by the Russians then he did not win on his own merit. It also makes the validity of his "win" questionable. As far as dirty and underhanded and unethical "politics go......yep it was "brilliant."

But he was not elected for his high morals ,(crotch grabber /perversion standards and ethics. He promised JOBS......no matter how much he has to destroy to achieve this Ie Isolate the US with the america first premise. IF folks are getting the jobs then no matter what else he does or says doesn't seem to matter. Qualifications or professionalism don't seem to matter to his supporters.

Why am I not surprised that your view of democracy varies from that of everyone else?


Just wonderful how you both buy into this conspiracy theory that the election was rigged by the Russians.

Cut the sore feelings and get over the fact that the American people just didn't want Clinton
 

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Just wonderful how you both buy into this conspiracy theory that the election was rigged by the Russians.

Cut the sore feelings and get over the fact that the American people just didn't want Clinton
I'm still trying to figure out "help from the Russians" is treason, or even illegal.

Was it EEE-vil and manipulative when Obama encouraged the Brits to vote against Brexit?
 

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I'm still trying to figure out "help from the Russians" is treason, or even illegal.

Was it EEE-vil and manipulative when Obama encouraged the Brits to vote against Brexit?

We've seen many examples throughout history where the ends justify the means when the general populace believed that they were fighting the good fight


All the same, really good points in your post, regardless of where one stands on the issue of the election and candidates
 

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We've seen many examples throughout history where the ends justify the means when the general populace believed that they were fighting the good fight


All the same, really good points in your post, regardless of where one stands on the issue of the election and candidates

The only election-related crimes I can think of are: it's illegal for a campaign to accept material support from a non-citizen, and of course it's illegal to vote if you are not eligible, or to conspire to do so.

Not to put too fine an edge on, it is not illegal for any person or organization to speak, lie, or "manipulate." The First Amendment protects all those activities.
 

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What does material support look like?

Monetary contributions?

Anything of monetary value. The whole flap about the Trump kid's meeting with the Russians was that he was allegedly offered "opposition research." That's of monetary value because there are firms that make money producing and selling opposition research.

Similarly, campaign ads, e-mail or social media blasts, &c., whether true or "fake news," would be material support. The key in our election laws is that there has to be some coordination with the campaign in order for the campaign to be deemed as having received that support. If you just do it, without coordinating, it's OK. That's the point of Citizens United.

The Russians (or any other non-citizen, or in many cases, citizens) coordinating with the Trump campaign to produce and release a Facebook blast that Hillary Clinton has Jewish child sex slaves in a pizza parlor on Mars is "material support." Doing it without coordinating with a campaign is just free (and crazy) speech. If the sovereign American voter is dumb enough to buy it and vote on that basis, that's democracy.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out "help from the Russians" is treason, or even illegal.

Was it EEE-vil and manipulative when Obama encouraged the Brits to vote against Brexit?

The Russians have thousand of nuclear weapons targeted directly at Americans. This situation is not anything new; it is generations old. That does not make it any less deadly or warlike in nature. Intentionally swinging the outcome of a Presidential election is somewhat akin to assassinating a sitting President. It is meant to cause regime change and it is arguably also a warlike act. If Trump is a knowing participant in any Russian interference with the selection of American leadership, he is a traitor. There is nothing morally ambiguous about it.
 

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The Russians have thousand of nuclear weapons targeted directly at Americans.
Which is not a crime, nor even grounds for impeachment.

his situation is not anything new; it is generations old. That does not make it any less deadly or warlike in nature. Intentionally swinging the outcome of a Presidential election is somewhat akin to assassinating a sitting President.
Except that the latter is a crime, and the former is not.

It is meant to cause regime change
Our "regime" changes every 4-8 years. We consider that a good thing.

and it is arguably also a warlike act.
"Arguably" in the sense that nobody has ever considered it an act of war before.

If Trump is a knowing participant in any Russian interference with the selection of American leadership, he is a traitor.
Not according to the definition of treason in the Constitution. U.S. Const., Art. III, sec. 3, cl. 1.

There is nothing morally ambiguous about it.
Write down all your "morals" on a big piece of paper, fold it until it's all corners, and run it up your back passage.

We're talking the law here, son, not your ever-shifting, fuzzy concept of "morals."
 

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I'm still trying to figure out "help from the Russians" is treason, or even illegal.

Was it EEE-vil and manipulative when Obama encouraged the Brits to vote against Brexit?

It most certainly was. Unless you are a globalist.

The Russians have thousand of nuclear weapons targeted directly at Americans. This situation is not anything new; it is generations old. That does not make it any less deadly or warlike in nature. Intentionally swinging the outcome of a Presidential election is somewhat akin to assassinating a sitting President. It is meant to cause regime change and it is arguably also a warlike act. If Trump is a knowing participant in any Russian interference with the selection of American leadership, he is a traitor. There is nothing morally ambiguous about it.

IF the Russians were to attempt to manipulate the US$ that election they would have had Clinton installed since she doesn't have the necessary parts to stand up to Russian geopolitical manipulations.
 

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Just wonderful how you both buy into this conspiracy theory that the election was rigged by the Russians.

Cut the sore feelings and get over the fact that the American people just didn't want Clinton


Apparently most Americans didn't want Trump either. And I'm guessing that number is growing daily.

I'm still trying to figure out "help from the Russians" is treason, or even illegal.

Was it EEE-vil and manipulative when Obama encouraged the Brits to vote against Brexit?


I guess you would have to determine how many fake news articles Obama posted on Facebook. That probably would be illegal. Expressing an opinion is not.