The foundation of Christianity is based on ignorance

Cliffy

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Oh, you mean similar to, but no where near as encompassing, as societal laws?
As in societal laws, religious laws are there to protect those in charge, not the sheeple. The first police forces were formed to protect the rich from the poor, and religious laws were to protect the priest cast. The church of Rome had their own standing army and the inquisition to deal with those who questioned their authority.
 

Nick Danger

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That could be more of a statistical thing Cliffy. Our materialistic society leads to greater frustration among the poor, hence the higher crime rates. The same laws still apply to the rich.

Another point is that religious "law" is often based upon ancient writings that 1.) have not kept pace with the social evolution of society, and 2.) lend themselves to various, often ambiguous, interpretations. Fundamentalists often lose the "spirit" of religious law in their cleavage to the written word.
 

Cliffy

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That could be more of a statistical thing Cliffy. Our materialistic society leads to greater frustration among the poor, hence the higher crime rates. The same laws still apply to the rich.

Another point is that religious "law" is often based upon ancient writings that 1.) have not kept pace with the social evolution of society, and 2.) lend themselves to various, often ambiguous, interpretations. Fundamentalists often lose the "spirit" of religious law in their cleavage to the written word.
I would question whether the law applies equally to the rich. Too many cases where that has proven to be untrue.
 

Nick Danger

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I would question whether the law applies equally to the rich. Too many cases where that has proven to be untrue.

Good point. The rich are more prone to "fancy lawyering" their way out of trouble than those of limited means. That's the gap between the ideal and the reality.
 

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Nope. If you read the story carefully, Adam and Eve were set up to fail. If God didn't want them eating the fruit from that one tree, why the hell put it there in the first place then?
The story is just an allegory though, used to explain how we ended up feeling things like pride and shame etc. but it also makes God look like a complete jerk.

Freedom of choice. That's what it symbolizes.

As in societal laws, religious laws are there to protect those in charge, not the sheeple. The first police forces were formed to protect the rich from the poor, and religious laws were to protect the priest cast. The church of Rome had their own standing army and the inquisition to deal with those who questioned their authority.
And they have exactly what to do with Christ's teaching which are the foundation of Christianity?

Good point. The rich are more prone to "fancy lawyering" their way out of trouble than those of limited means. That's the gap between the ideal and the reality.

How does that relate to Christianity?
 

DaSleeper

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And for Cliffy


 

taxslave

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Freedom of choice. That's what it symbolizes.


And they have exactly what to do with Christ's teaching which are the foundation of Christianity?



How does that relate to Christianity?

At risk of derailing the thread there is the not igsignificant matter of the churches hiding knowledge of pedophile priests.
 

Nick Danger

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The churches aren't the only ones that have done or do that.

True, but those that place themselves in a position that engenders the trust of their followers should be held to a higher standard, like police or teachers. In a lot of aspects the betrayal of that trust is a more heinous infraction than the crime itself.

To nudge this thread back toward the original topic, while ignorance may not be a foundation of Christianity, I think that a lot of religions have come to depend on the blind trust of others. Especially those that hang on to concepts and ideas that will not stand up to close scientific scrutiny.
 

gerryh

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True, but those that place themselves in a position that engenders the trust of their followers should be held to a higher standard, like police or teachers. In a lot of aspects the betrayal of that trust is a more heinous infraction than the crime itself.

To nudge this thread back toward the original topic, while ignorance may not be a foundation of Christianity, I think that a lot of religions have come to depend on the blind trust of others. Especially those that hang on to concepts and ideas that will not stand up to close scientific scrutiny.



The original topic was Christianity exclusively. Hence the topic header, "The foundation of Christianity is based on ignorance". It has pretty much been proven now, by your own admission, that the OP is incorrect.
 

Nick Danger

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Incorrect as stated, but not totally without merit. I believe that many tenets of Christianity do not ring true in a literal context, but are still taught as "truth" within the faith. But that is the essence of "ignorance" isn't it? To know you are doing something wrong but carry on with it anyways ? I believe the more progressive Christian faiths are embracing a metaphoric approach to Biblical stories, where literal belief is not required but the moral message remains intact.
 

gerryh

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Incorrect as stated, but not totally without merit. I believe that many tenets of Christianity do not ring true in a literal context, but are still taught as "truth" within the faith. But that is the essence of "ignorance" isn't it? To know you are doing something wrong but carry on with it anyways ? I believe the more progressive Christian faiths are embracing a metaphoric approach to Biblical stories, where literal belief is not required but the moral message remains intact.


On the whole, how many Christian sects are literalists compared to those that are not?