Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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I know, but it took about six minutes of my life I wasn't doing anything else with :-D
I do believe I have mentioned before about the way gun stats were gathered after the CDC by the Republicans, was deprived of funding just in the exact amount of collecting gun stats, along with the orders they were not to continue reporting such stats, As a result none of the statistics in those years are worth a look,
Well when the Democrats were in they changed the funding again and guess what? The stats prove without doubt gun control does work!!
2014 Montana homicides by gun 16.1 per 100,000 North Dakota homicides by gun 2014 12.3 per 100,000 Minnesota homicides by gun 2014 per 100,000 6.6 (the lowest of the lot )
2014 stats for Manitoba, Sask, & Alberta all average 1.45 across the board for 100,000 during the same period.
When the stats are properly collected it presents a very different picture,
Oh by the way for every homicide by guns, it is reported they are two others wounded by guns during the same period in the US,
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Its funny they let the skitzo from the Manitoba Bus Beheading go free with no strings attached but the government still treats gun owners like theyre criminals....
Weird aint it?
Weird aint it?
So you're admitting that stat collection and dissemination can be politically motivated? Why, then, do you think that those collected by likeminded folk as yourself represent the truth? In fact, some years ago the CDC embarked on a study to find the correlation between gun control and lower violent crime, (pigeonholing one type of crime gives a terribly inaccurate picture), and being somewhat biased as you, found the opposite to be true.
I remember that CDC report. It was commissioned by Obama as one of his '3xecutive orders' in the wake of the sand hook trajedy. But its conclusions were quite favorable for lawful gun owners the gun control lobby tried to bury it. Bluebyrd has ignored/denied the report several times on this thread.
How strange what the heck am I admitting? Those stats came from The Center for Disease Control of the US Government and Stats Can For Canada, They are NOT mine, And yes, in the US the collection of gun statistic at the time they were cancelled by the Republicans was definitely politically motivated, At the time the decision to take the collection of data out of the hands of CDC is BECAUSE they were getting too high to cover up. and the NRA & the gun lobby were very unhappy about that. Obama's simply took the opportunity to return funding to the CDC. He did not change the LAW! He simply returned the funding to the collection of accurate data.
James do you find it odd that the homicides since the collecting of stats was restored to the CDC how much higher they became in such a short time period?? How many times did I mention on this site, that the collection of stats by 50 different sites was deceptive?? All I got was flack, just as I am getting now. As far as the CDC report went, they only reluctantly went back to keeping them because, those responsible for collecting them were getting deaths threats,
I have repeatedly over the years pointed out the actual FACTS but heck, why bother with anything like actual facts.
Excuse me but, what has how Canadian law treats those suffering from mental disorders to do with how the US Government collects certain gun data on homicides??
The us stats coming from bmuebyrd have always been deceptive.
Two thirds of your 33k deaths per year are suicides. Most Canadians support assisted suicide, we don't agree with the way bluebyrd's numbers are being manipulated
Two thirds of your 33k deaths per year are suicides. Most Canadians support assisted suicide, we don't agree with the way bluebyrd's numbers are being manipulated
Of course I do; it is not about the number of guns but about the type, While most complain about buying licenses and not having access to certain types of guns they would just love to have in their arsenal,most normal humans do not feel deprived by not having access to things like rocket launchers,e AK47's and small nuclear arms.
Do you really want to make it so much easier for those with proven violent tendencies, severe mental illnesses to acquire guns. Most gun owners in Canada follow the laws set down and our criminals get them by stealing them or acquiring smuggled ones. On the whole Canada has rather decent laws.
James, in the US it is against the law to attempt to commit suicide. However, here in Florida a year or two ago, two people committed suicide at gun ranges, where they were able to rent the guns. Now, I guess this happened once in awhile but what made this episode a bit different was both were at the same place on the same day. Kinda disrupts the enjoyment of a shooting range I would guess as well as knocks off business for awhile.
As to assisted suicide, of course Canadians support it. We don;t let our animals suffer either!!
As to the stats, well, taking the total number of deaths by firearms per year and comparing the US stats against most other countries, what is your explanation of why so many more Americans die by firearms per 100,000?? Could it possibly be because of their laws and how they are enforced??
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Bluebyrd, why don't you explain why you think you can draw so many conclusions from a comparative analysis? There are many problems in the US, many Canada doesn't have.
Why do you think the US has so many more problems than Canada has?? Could it be their politicians and their constitution are not the same as ours? Do Canadians prefer a much more foregiving life style?? Do you envision just changing our laws to conform to theirs will give Canadians a greater life style. Will simply just changing the gun laws make our Canadian world more friendly?? I do not think so. On the whole all human beings want to enjoy in peace and as much fairness in their lives as is possible at the individual level,i
So far, Canada is head and shoulder above in achieving this, That is a personal opinion.
Exactly how far do you personally want to see Canada change to align more closely to the US standards??
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Why would Bluebyrd attribute Canada's comparatively low stats to a set of gun control laws that were passed AFTER Canada had already achieved these wonderfully low stats?
That is like saying " Taking the blue pill AFTER being cured is the way we do things around here. "
That is like saying " Taking the blue pill AFTER being cured is the way we do things around here. "
Using common sense when arguing with a leftoid ideologue is an exercise in futility
Some people have strange views and advice on personal security when they can't even secure their Facebook page..
Some people have strange views and advice on personal security when they can't even secure their Facebook page..
LOL yeah like decent gun laws!!
Every country has problems of one sort or another and if there is a decent democratic government and reasonably educated citizens, most problems are solved through making their elected representative aware of what they feel needs fixing. Oh and of course limiting the amount a candidate running for office can spend on his/her election.
Bluebyrd, when a blue pill law is passed, it can be a useless cure that just makes ignorant people feel good. After 30 years of being useless, ignorance is no longer a valid excuse, it might properly be repealed.
Not a relevant reply..... personal innuendos do not really work as counter argument.
Wait for it. The next comeback will tell you that ladders are just as dangerous as AK-47s.