The OFFICIAL Trump Travel Ban Thread

[Machjo]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

You mean TFWs? The people that work for nothing and send it back to wherever they came from while Canadians are unemployed.

TFW should have to pay taxes too to help train unemployed Canadians. Then it becomes a win-win. Businesses get qualified workers who pay taxes to help retrain unemployed Canadians who couldn't get the job anyway since they're unqualified. Also, the TFWs spend money in Canada too and so create jobs that way too.

 

[Murphy]

Re: Trump's Executive Order Remains in Place

Dedicated to former US president Barack Obama. He'd look great in a cape and tights!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2l4bz1FT8U

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Re: Trump's Executive Order Remains in Place

Nice! Obama is yet another reason why the Democrats lost over 1,000 seats during his 8 years.

No, they lost a million and a half seats. It was the biggest loss in history, period.

 

[davesmom]

Re: Trump's Executive Order Remains in Place

I see two possibilities for the developments in the past day or so. #1. the mentality of the electorate is changing or much more likely, I think, the people who didn't vote are now deciding to have their voices heard. I hope it's the latter.

It looks like mass hysteria. The mobs gather and one has to wonder if they know why.
One thing for sure, Americas enemies must be overjoyed. Not because of Trump's Executive Orders but because the American people are tearing their country apart more surely than their enemies could.
I wonder if any thought has been given as to what kind of fools Americans look like in the eyes of the world for going at each other's throats.
Congress will sort things out - crowds protesting won't change a thing!

 

[taxslave]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

TFW should have to pay taxes too to help train unemployed Canadians. Then it becomes a win-win. Businesses get qualified workers who pay taxes to help retrain unemployed Canadians who couldn't get the job anyway since they're unqualified. Also, the TFWs spend money in Canada too and so create jobs that way too.

I guess you don't know anything about the TFW program. Canadians are not unqualified, they just expect to get proper wages and working conditions.

 

[davesmom]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

"No. What I am saying that is this. Most Muslims don’t want anything other than to pursue the same dream as the rest of us. Raise a family, buy a car, a house, maybe start a business and live in relative safety. I’ve got a very good friend who I have known since I was 10 who just happens to be Muslim. He is the typical Canadian, he is a business man, he’s a humanitarian man, and he is community minded. He also happens to be one of the most articulate individuals I know and sense of humor? Man, he can make you laugh. He is neither a terrorist or an extremist."


Maybe there really are moderate Muslims who are Muslim in name only just as there are Catholics and Protestants who are non-participating members. . But the fact is that too many terrorist attacks have been committed either by Muslims or by individuals radicalized by Muslim ideology to be ignored.
It is well known that not all but most Muslim countries are ruled by Islamic law which is entirely incompatible with the Constitutions of Western countries. Western country's law punishes crimes. Islamic law punishes sins as crimes and makes no differentiation between the two.
If one is a devout Muslim the Quran is absolute, his religion controls his whole life. The Quran states that the ultimate goal of Islam is to become the one true religion of the world. No non-Muslim is going to bow to that.
We have many, many religious denominations here who live together peacefully and obey the laws of the land. None are singled out for suspicion except Islam. As a peaceful and tolerant society, one would have to say that there is a reason for that.
We see in foreign countries that Muslim sects fight and kill each other over their different beliefs. If their beliefs are that important to them that they will kill their own people how can we think that they would not seek to eliminate Atheists, Christians, Jews, Mennonites, JWs, Mormons, Sikhs, Buddists and any other religions group that they disagree with?
Respect and trust have to be earned. The onus is on Muslims to get their act together, stop killing and terrorizing before they will be fully accepted into any secular society.
It isn't enough for those who come here to say, "But WE are peaceful" while others of their religion demonstrate that they are not peaceful. Who is to be believed?

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: Trump's Executive Order Remains in Place

If you haven't noticed the protests are in the cities which are controlled by the Democrats. I am sure the city Police Departments are loving the overtime and the Mayor's office's are sweating the OT checks that they have to cut.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

Maybe there really are moderate Muslims who are Muslim in name only just as there are Catholics and Protestants who are non-participating members.

Maybe? There are over a billion Muslims on the planet. If the overwhelming, I mean 99.99999% of them weren't just people trying to get by, they would have killed all non-Muslims decades or centuries ago.

You really don't get this at all, do you?

 

[JLM]

Re: Trump's Executive Order Remains in Place

It looks like mass hysteria. The mobs gather and one has to wonder if they know why.
One thing for sure, Americas enemies must be overjoyed. Not because of Trump's Executive Orders but because the American people are tearing their country apart more surely than their enemies could.
I wonder if any thought has been given as to what kind of fools Americans look like in the eyes of the world for going at each other's throats.
Congress will sort things out - crowds protesting won't change a thing!

Your wisdom prevails! I would hesitate to use the word "mass". It's actually less than 1% of the population who are acting like idiots!

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: Trump's Executive Order Remains in Place

Your wisdom prevails! I would hesitate to use the word "mass". It's actually less than 1% of the population who are acting like idiots!

I say let them continue to act like idiots. It is that type of behavior that has the GOP winning.

 

[Mowich]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

"Maybe there really are moderate Muslims who are Muslim in name only just as there are Catholics and Protestants who are non-participating members."

Muslims in name only eh, DM. So in your world if a Muslim person does practice their faith instead of being a non-participant then they are automatically open to suspicion? The men who died on their knees, backs turned to the shooter - they should have been on some kind of watch list because they were praying in their mosque?

If this is the kind of Canada you want, count me out.

 

[davesmom]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

"Maybe there really are moderate Muslims who are Muslim in name only just as there are Catholics and Protestants who are non-participating members."

Muslims in name only eh, DM. So in your world if a Muslim person does practice their faith instead of being a non-participant then they are automatically open to suspicion? The men who died on their knees, backs turned to the shooter - they should have been on some kind of watch list because they were praying in their mosque?

If this is the kind of Canada you want, count me out.

Are you trying to say something here?

Maybe? There are over a billion Muslims on the planet. If the overwhelming, I mean 99.99999% of them weren't just people trying to get by, they would have killed all non-Muslims decades or centuries ago.

They tried that but it didn't work so well did it?


I believe there are more than a billion Muslims on the planet, more like 2.8 billion but still outnumbered by non-Muslims. That's in spite of all there excessive breeding and attempts to convert.

 

[coldstream]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

Actually this is a rather limited ban on refugees. The Liberal Press has framed it as an outright ban on Muslims, which is not what the text of the Order sais.

It could be, though, that some sense of the roots of Western Civilization, which up until the modern era was termed 'Christendom', is reasserting itself.. given the turmoil that the Post Christian era has imposed on the West.. which is infused with death, disorder, disintegration.. economically, morally and culturally.

Christianity and Islam have NEVER been at peace. They are the only two faiths with global messianic mission, and they are inalterably irreconcilable. That doesn't fit in with the fluffy.. "lets all get over this religion thing and we'll all get along". But that's not the history of Christianity or the history of Islam and that's not the history of the world.

It's very naive to think we've come up with something better in the Secular Humanism, Moral Relativism, Radical Individualism that now controls the West.. given the social chaos it has imposed on us. Or that Islam has simply abandoned its ultimate objectives. More than likely its True Believers see this only as a corrosion of foundations of the West, and an opportunity to forward its own written 'destiny'.

 

[Mowich]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

Are you trying to say something here?

Yes, but as I see by the comments you made regarding Tec's post, I may as well not have bothered.

 

[Remington1]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

A ban is what Trump said he would do, a bit surprised he didn't include Saudi Arabis, but to have something to fall back on via the press, it was easier to take Obama's list I guess. The approach was wrong and not well organized at all, looks like a Bannon coup however. By arguing the nuances of the word 'ban' makes Americans look really dumb. As for Canada taking the USA's responsibilities of letting in refugees is simply arrogant and frankly the pious gesture would be seen sanctimonious at best. Ottawa needs to mind their own business and let the US deal with their Bannon/Trump issues. They need to worry about our economy and dismal health care.

Step 2 - The banning of niqab's/burka's?? I'm sure another ban is coming, what could it be?

 

[Mowich]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

A ban is what Trump said he would do, a bit surprised he didn't include Saudi Arabis, but to have something to fall back on via the press, it was easier to take Obama's list I guess. The approach was wrong and not well organized at all, looks like a Bannon coup however. By arguing the nuances of the word 'ban' makes Americans look really dumb. As for Canada taking the USA's responsibilities of letting in refugees is simply arrogant and frankly the pious gesture would be seen sanctimonious at best. Ottawa needs to mind their own business and let the US deal with their Bannon/Trump issues. They need to worry about our economy and dismal health care.

So we just leave banned travelers stranded in the airport - wonderful idea, Rem..............didn't they make a movie about someone living in an airport? Maybe those stranded could have it streamed so they could get some tips.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

So we just leave banned travelers stranded in the airport - wonderful idea, Rem..............didn't they make a movie about someone living in an airport? Maybe those stranded could have it streamed so they could get some tips.

Actually they're being sent home. I am not saying every one of them has been sent home but many have been sent home to wait for further notice.

At any rate, it is only a temporary ban using Obama's List.

 

[Mowich]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

Actually they're being sent home. I am not saying every one of them has been sent home but many have been sent home to wait for further notice.

At any rate, it is only a temporary ban using Obama's List.

Oh well that's just fine then - some of them have been sent home which leaves more room for the others forced to live in an airport. Temporary or not, Eagle this whole ban could have been handled in a much more organized and humane manner but humanity doesn't seem to be Trump's strong suit does it?

 

[JLM]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

Oh well that's just fine then - some of them have been sent home which leaves more room for the others forced to live in an airport. Temporary or not, Eagle this whole ban could have been handled in a much more organized and humane manner but humanity doesn't seem to be Trump's strong suit does it?

I think that what Trump did is actually fine with one proviso....................he should have put a 72 hour period of grace on the order so that people wouldn't be caught enroute and stranded. But I've just heard on the news there's no worries.............our illustrious P.M. is going to house them for the interim.

 

[Mowich]

Re: A Ban is the wrong path

I think that what Trump did is actually fine with one proviso....................he should have put a 72 hour period of grace on the order so that people wouldn't be caught enroute and stranded. But I've just heard on the news there's no worries.............our illustrious P.M. is going to house them for the interim.

You do realize that Justin is not having planes re-routed to Canada so he bring in all those effected by the ban - or don't you. WTF are we supposed to with people stranded in our airports? Ignore them? Arrest them? What, JLM - what would you do with them?