The cunning atheist leader

[Murphy]

That's right, Nassir. It's good that you think that*. We're all so very proud of you. Well, almost everyone. The young man you sent to the market the day it was bombed is dead because of you. No wonder his family curses your name. But you had no way of knowing.

I don't believe Anah's father when he said you hated the family and wished them all dead. He said that you were very vindictive and he did not like anyone who stared at the sky, looking at stars. I told him that you were looking for guidance and that staring into space didn't mean anything. He cursed at me, but didn't hold me responsible for your foul mouth.

A word of advice though. Anah's brother, Raheem, holds a grudge. He doesn't care that you are older. He will try to hurt you. If he killed you, he wouldn't have much to defend. He would say that you are a crazy old man who talks to genies. No one will argue. Especially after the fall from the Toyota.





































*O bir deve kadar deliymiş!

 

[selfsame]

All such acts are of Zionists the enemy of humanity.

Their enmity to the Islam is so obvious, and so the termination of Zionists has become very near in time, particularly following their transgression on the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

Only the rascals are here, so it is my departure time, no farewell to you, Ugly Zionists, the enemy of God and His prophets.

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#They_Killed_the_Prophets_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#They_Killed_the_Prophets_

 

[Murphy]

There you go again. The mosques are to be closed. Try and think clearly.

I have tried to talk to you kindly, but because you are not well - and not taking your medication - so this is difficult. You are confusing a mosque with the time when the soldiers came and broke into your garage. It was legal. They were looking for a thief. You almost got arrested yourself when you screamed at them to leave.

When they saw who you were, they laughed and said the crazy old man is still alive*! He has not been trampled to death by a camel? So I guess that fact that your mind gives you trouble is actually good, in your case.




























*Kızgın bir deve gibi delice!

 

[tay]

Atheists living in 13 countries risk being condemned to death, just for their beliefs (or non-belief) according to a new, comprehensive report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union out on Tuesday. All 13 countries identified by the study are Muslim majority.

The countries that impose these penalties are Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen. With the exception of Pakistan, those countries all allow for capital punishment against apostasy, i.e., the renunciation of a particular religion. Pakistan, meanwhile, imposes the death penalty for blasphemy, which can obviously include disbelief in God.

Although not on the list of 13, Bangladesh receives some special attention in the report as a particular low-light. Several non-religious and atheist bloggers and journalists in the country have faced death threats and harassment this year in the wake of a series of government prosecutions for blasphemy.

There Are 13 Countries Where Atheism Is Punishable by Death - The Atlantic

 

[darkbeaver]

No they don't, they very explicitly reject that claim and argue that all religious texts are the words of men. As you would know if you'd actually read and understood their works. You may have read them, though somehow I doubt they're available in whatever benighted Islamic theocracy you live in, but you clearly don't understand them if you can make a statement like that.

The words of men?

 

[Twila]

Atheists living in 13 countries risk being condemned to death, just for their beliefs (or non-belief) according to a new, comprehensive report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union out on Tuesday. All 13 countries identified by the study are Muslim majority.

The countries that impose these penalties are Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen. With the exception of Pakistan, those countries all allow for capital punishment against apostasy, i.e., the renunciation of a particular religion. Pakistan, meanwhile, imposes the death penalty for blasphemy, which can obviously include disbelief in God.

Although not on the list of 13, Bangladesh receives some special attention in the report as a particular low-light. Several non-religious and atheist bloggers and journalists in the country have faced death threats and harassment this year in the wake of a series of government prosecutions for blasphemy.

There Are 13 Countries Where Atheism Is Punishable by Death - The Atlantic

Strange eh? When you pick it apart and study the psychology of it. It just shouts insecurity about their conviction of belief.
The responses from some very religious people this side of the planet suggest that many feel atheists are untrustworthy. Untrustworthy. People seeking the truth through scientific practice...are untrustworthy by those who will condemn you for thinking outside the box...fascinating.

 

[darkbeaver]

Atheist is independent - without Church - so atheism can hardly have a leader - even a cunning one

Hangh
Why do so many follow Dawkins? Hang on his word. Hopefull fools. Isn't there something bigger than you?

I don't wake up in the morning because of Dawkins.

Dawkins has processed zero kilos of firewood for my hearth. He's a mindless piece of crap. Only the lost listen to him. He's not but a brand.

Mr reason. Mr science, Mr bullsjt.

 

[Cannuck]

Anyhow, you will be defeated...

Really? Who's going to defeat him

 

[darkbeaver]

Really? Who's going to defeat him

I will,I just did, the man is full of sjit. It's easy just step on it's head. He's a know nothing mouthpiece for corporate science what isnj't.

 

[Ludlow]

I'd respect an atheist more than I would a psalm singin hypocrite any day.

Hangh
Why do so many follow Dawkins? Hang on his word. Hopefull fools. Isn't there something bigger than you?

I don't wake up in the morning because of Dawkins.

Dawkins has processed zero kilos of firewood for my hearth. He's a mindless piece of crap. Only the lost listen to him. He's not but a brand.

Mr reason. Mr science, Mr bullsjt.

Have you ever noticed when you split green red oak that it smells like cat piss?

 

[darkbeaver]

Religion is a personal thing, there is only one for you. You cannot join what you have to build. You are or you are not.

 

[Ludlow]

I noticed that Canadians allowed women to vote just a few years earlier than America did.

 

[Nick Danger]

I find it pretty funny that this argument turns up so often. With no definitive proof one way or the other how can there be any right or wrong answers? It usually comes down to people trying to justify their own belief system by criticizing beliefs held by others. "I don't know" is a phrase that too many just can't seem to get their mouths around.

 

[Ludlow]

I find it pretty funny that this argument turns up so often. With no definitive proof one way or the other how can there be any right or wrong answers? It usually comes down to people trying to justify their own belief system by criticizing beliefs held by others. "I don't know" is a phrase that too many just can't seem to get their mouths around.

Socrates taught that none of us actually know anything. I think I might understand a little of what he was trying to say.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The words of men?

Well...people with testicles at least, though I'd immediately agree that's not enough in itself to earn the title of men. How about "the words of males." Would that satisfy you?

I find it pretty funny that this argument turns up so often. With no definitive proof one way or the other how can there be any right or wrong answers?

Depends what the questions are, I suppose. Some answers are trivially true, like the answer to "Is the Earth at the centre of the universe?" We all know now, or I certainly hope we do, that the answer is no, but it was only a few centuries ago that the answer was widely believed to be yes and you could be in a lot of trouble for arguing otherwise. What's considered to be trivially true evolves as knowledge improves. Definitive proof is hard to come by though, usually the best we can do is weigh the balance of probabilities and conclude that certain claims, based on the evidence and arguments offered in support of them, are more likely to be true than others. Religious claims don't survive that kind of scrutiny, they're not consistent with the best answers we have to a lot of other questions, so pending the receipt of much better evidence for them than I've ever seen in 40 years of looking, they deserve to be rejected.

 

[Cliffy]

I like how Eanassir quotes other writers to prove he is superior to others.

 

[Nick Danger]

Definitive proof is hard to come by though, usually the best we can do is weigh the balance of probabilities and conclude that certain claims, based on the evidence and arguments offered in support of them, are more likely to be true than others. Religious claims don't survive that kind of scrutiny, they're not consistent with the best answers we have to a lot of other questions, so pending the receipt of much better evidence for them than I've ever seen in 40 years of looking, they deserve to be rejected.

But even then there is a degree of speculation, a low statistical probability of truth is still not zero. There is so much we don't know. Even the basis of what qualifies as "God" is open for discussion. Personally I can't get on board with the concept of some sort of divine consciousness pressing the buttons of the universe, but the thought that there may be some unifying force in play that, while not fitting the traditional ideas of "God", may still be considered God-like in it's scope and effect.

"It surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the universe together" - Obiwan Kenobi

I think it's important to stay open to possibility. The whole "my religion is better than your religion" fight, like the religion vs. no religion fight, cannot be won by either side when we don't know where to plant the goalposts.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

"It surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the universe together" - Obiwan Kenobi

Dude, your theology is from Star Wars.

Praise Lucas!

Though I was never sure if old Obiwan was talking about the Force or the tax code.

 

[taxslave]

Atheists living in 13 countries risk being condemned to death, just for their beliefs (or non-belief) according to a new, comprehensive report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union out on Tuesday. All 13 countries identified by the study are Muslim majority.

The countries that impose these penalties are Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen. With the exception of Pakistan, those countries all allow for capital punishment against apostasy, i.e., the renunciation of a particular religion. Pakistan, meanwhile, imposes the death penalty for blasphemy, which can obviously include disbelief in God.

Although not on the list of 13, Bangladesh receives some special attention in the report as a particular low-light. Several non-religious and atheist bloggers and journalists in the country have faced death threats and harassment this year in the wake of a series of government prosecutions for blasphemy.

There Are 13 Countries Where Atheism Is Punishable by Death - The Atlantic

Muslims are a lot like leftys. They do not tolerate independent thought.

 

[Ludlow]

Dude, your theology is from Star Wars.

Praise Lucas!

Though I was never sure if old Obiwan was talking about the Force or the tax code.

I think he was referring to the great wind he broke.