Trudeau defends comments after the death of former Cuban leader Fidel Castro

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Here, read through all of this.

It was a good piece about the positive and negative impacts of his tenure and Trudeau's comments just reflect that.



Fidel Castro, 1926-2016: The 20th century bears his indelible stamp

Fidel Castro's first attempt at revolution in Cuba was an utter failure. Some of his followers got lost on the way to the Moncada barracks in the city of Santiago. One car blew a tire. Surprised by an army patrol, the rebels botched their assault. A few were killed on the spot; dozens were hunted down, tortured and killed by dictator Fulgencio Batista's troops. The rest surrendered or, like Mr. Castro, were captured over the next few days.

Yet so powerful was Mr. Castro's appeal to alienated and impoverished Cubans that he managed to turn the 1953 Moncada affair into a victory. From the prisoner's dock, at the end of his trial on insurrection charges, he delivered a resounding call to freedom, denouncing General Batista's oppressive ways and ending defiantly: "Condemn me, it does not matter. History will absolve me!"

Mr. Castro died on Friday aged 90, his younger brother and successor Raul Castro announced on state television.

History is famously fickle, and not always that generous. Today Mr. Castro is reviled as well as revered. But the speech was a psychological coup d'état, laying the groundwork for the guerrilla triumph that drove Gen. Batista into exile less than six years later. And long before Mr. Castro's death, the history of the 20th century bore his indelible stamp. It was the mark of a born leader and opportunist – a man whose sense of the transformative moment and talent for turning adversity into advantage were rarely matched.

With his signature forage cap, beard and cigar, Mr. Castro became an icon for a world weary of big-power politics and domination by the rich. He made Cuba a beacon for have-not nations, with quality free health care and education. He inspired a generation of young Latin Americans to confront inequality and repression. As bugs to a bonfire, a certain class of international celebrity fluttered to his side.

Yet by the time he died, Mr. Castro's revolution had been drained of its vitality and its many unsavoury aspects were exposed to full view. His opponents languished in prison. Political activity outside the Communist Party was not tolerated and access to information was strictly controlled.

The fervour of the 1960s and the Soviet-backed prosperity of later decades were distant memories. Mr. Castro dealt with economic hardship by tightening his grip. Thousands fled the impoverished island; others resigned themselves to hanging on until Fidel was gone.

At his death, Mr. Castro was the world's longest-serving head of state, next to Queen Elizabeth II. He watched 10 U.S. presidents and six Russian leaders leave office. When he seized power on Jan. 1, 1959, John Diefenbaker was Canada's prime minister and Justin Trudeau was not yet born.

He owed his durability to many factors: a prodigious memory, a compulsion for self-challenge, the ability to think several moves ahead. He was famously restless – sleeping little, moving from residence to residence, convening midnight dinner parties on a whim. He would lecture anyone on anything, or so it seemed. His biographer, Tad Szulc, wrote of a hostess who chided Mr. Castro for telling her maid how to cook plantains. "Do you think you know everything?" she asked. "Almost everything," the commander-in-chief replied.

Few were able to penetrate his emotional armour, although Mr. Szulc records a rare moment of introspection in which he confessed: "I detest loneliness." Noting Aristotle's comment that man was a social being, he remarked: "It seems I belong to that species."

As it turned out, Pierre Trudeau was just such another specimen. As prime minister, Mr. Trudeau paid an official visit to Cuba in 1976 and began a friendship that characterized Canada's relationship with the island. Mr. Trudeau returned several times after leaving office. "I rarely saw him listen to somebody like he listened to Pierre Trudeau," Mark Entwistle, the former Canadian ambassador to Cuba, told The Canadian Press. "He'd actually be silent for extended periods."

By all accounts, Mr. Trudeau made a lasting impression. In 2000, Mr. Castro attended his funeral in Montreal.

When Mr. Castro was born, Cuba had been a sovereign country for just 24 years. Its independence struggle had left the country devastated and under heavy U.S. influence. Americans were rapidly establishing businesses and buying up huge sugar plantations. Meanwhile, thousands of rural workers remained in desperate poverty.

His Spanish-born father arrived in Cuba penniless but came to own a sizable farm. His mother worked in the household as a maid, and eventually became his father's second wife.

Mr. Castro enjoyed the outdoors and excelled at sports, particularly basketball. But a cantankerous streak soon emerged. According to Mr. Szulc, he was insolent at school and, on occasion, forged report cards. As a teenager, working summers on the family farm, he tried to persuade his father's employees to form a union. He was a landowner's son, but his friends were the children of peasants, and he later said the injustice he witnessed influenced him profoundly.

He moved to Havana to study at a Jesuit college and later at the University of Havana law school. The university was heavily politicized, divided into armed factions and, as he became involved in student politics, Mr. Castro began carrying a gun for protection. His fiercest opponents say he was a Communist from the get-go. But the best evidence indicates that he started out as a nationalist heavily influenced by Cuban independence hero Jose Marti.

In 1948, Mr. Castro was attending a student congress in Bogota when fierce rioting broke out after the assassination of a popular politician. "I see there is a revolution erupting," he later told an interviewer, "and I decide to be part of it." He got himself a gun, fashioned a uniform, exhorted soldiers to join the revolution and gave tactical advice to sympathetic police.

The revolt ended in a truce, but not before Mr. Castro had drawn some lessons. A revolution, he concluded, must be the product of education, planning and discipline – not an exercise in anarchy. "The greatest influence was in the Cuban revolutionary strategy, in the idea of educating the people during our struggle," he told another interviewer.

Back in Cuba, Mr. Castro graduated from university, opened a law practice and became an election candidate for the opposition Orthodox Party. But the voting was cancelled after Gen. Batista seized power in a coup, and Mr. Castro began plotting his abortive uprising. He spent 17 months in jail after the Moncada trial, then flew to Mexico, where he began military training with a group of followers – including a young Argentine doctor named Ernesto (Che) Guevara.

Late in 1956, Mr. Castro and several dozen guerrillas arrived on Cuba's southeastern coast and headed into the Sierra Maestra mountains. They were badly outmanned and outgunned, but had strong support from local peasants, and the knowledge that Mr. Castro had returned to Cuba emboldened sympathizers throughout the island. Soon the rebels were scoring successes. Their propaganda campaign included the engineering of a clandestine New York Times interview that introduced Mr. Castro to the rest of the world.

It was in the Sierra Maestra that Mr. Castro began growing his beard, and where he met Celia Sanchez, who remained a close companion for many years. He had already married Mirta Diaz-Balart, a fellow student who bore his first son, Fidelito, in 1949, but for Mr. Castro, the revolution far outstripped family life as a priority. They divorced in 1955 and Ms. Diaz-Balart eventually left Cuba to live in Spain.

By mid-1958, the Batista regime was in panic mode. An air and ground campaign failed to crush the rebels. In October, Mr. Castro launched his own offensive. Early on New Year's Day, 1959, Gen. Batista flew into exile, and more than four decades of revolutionary rule began.

Cubans hailed the rebels as liberating heroes, and Mr. Castro moved swiftly to reshape Cuba. By the end of 1960, large-scale nationalization and land reform programs had begun. A literacy campaign and the frank espousal of Marxism-Leninism soon followed.

Mr. Castro personally directed the rout of the U.S.-backed invasion at the Bay of Pigs. Amid Washington's hostility, he turned steadily toward Moscow for support, and the world came to the brink of nuclear war in 1962 after the installation of Soviet missiles began on the island.

Communist Party control over the government and economy grew steadily during the 1960s, and in 1976, Mr. Castro was elevated from the post of prime minister to the presidency. Those who looked as if they might pose a challenge were relegated to obscurity or prison, and on occasion – as with four army officers allegedly implicated in drug trafficking – were executed.

In 1980, Mr. Castro jousted skillfully with Washington, creating a refugee headache by allowing more than 120,000 disaffected Cubans to set sail for Florida. He dismissed the taunts of Cuban-American exiles with contempt, and sent Cuban troops to Angola.

Writing in the mid-1980s, Mr. Szulc described activities at Cayo Piedra, Mr. Castro's island retreat. He would arrive by helicopter and spend the day offshore in a wetsuit, spear-fishing for lobster and red snapper. After cocktails, the catch would be served for dinner following a first course of turtle soup. Mr. Castro gave up cigars in 1985, saying it was a necessary sacrifice for the promotion of public health. He was not a great drinker, but enjoyed Scotch. In private, Mr. Szulc writes, his speech was often laced with profanity. In public, he took care to express himself in polished Spanish – often in speeches lasting several hours.

His closest ally was his younger brother Raul – his designated successor and head of the armed forces. But he draped a shroud over his personal life. Until recently, he allowed no public profile to Dalia Soto del Valle, the former schoolteacher with whom he began a relationship in the 1960s (and may have legally married) or their five sons. His daughter Alina, born in the 1950s of an affair with a well-to-do Havana woman, lives in Miami and is an outspoken critic.

In the early 1990s, Mr. Castro faced a dramatic challenge with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Without Moscow's economic concessions, Cuba hurtled toward destitution. Mr. Castro reacted by instituting emergency measures, adopting the U.S. dollar as currency and aggressively courting foreign investment in tourism. Mr. Castro was dismayed by the explosion in small-scale entrepreneurship, including prostitution, but opted to curb rather than crush it.

He had no such compunction about cracking down on political dissidents and independent journalists. World leaders who tried to persuade him to ease up were rebuffed. In April, 1998, at the end of prime minister Jean Chrétien's official visit to Havana, I stood on the airport tarmac with a clutch of journalists, my chin about six inches from Mr. Castro's beard, and asked him why Cuba would not release the four political prisoners whose cases Mr. Chrétien had taken up.

In reply, he cited the trade embargo maintained against Cuba by the United States since 1962. "That's the No.1 thing that's important to us," he said. "No one has the right to ask anything or expect anything from us on behalf of the United States while they maintain an embargo." It was a clear indication of how Cuba's tortured relations with Washington shaped his decision-making, and how little leverage other governments had in Havana.

To make up for the lost Soviet backing, Mr. Castro sought support throughout the Americas. In then Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, he found a new ally and a source of relatively cheap oil. In 2000, he scored another victory against his exile opponents by securing the return of six-year-old Elian Gonzalez, a shipwreck victim who had washed up alive on the Florida coast.

Such triumphs notwithstanding, Mr. Castro's physical strength began to fail. In 2001, he fainted briefly during a speech; in 2004, he shattered his kneecap and broke his arm in a fall. He signalled something more serious in July, 2006, taking the unprecedented step of handing power to his brother Raul before undergoing a series of operations.

When the subject of his death came up, Mr. Castro liked to play down its significance. "To suppose that the death of one individual could liquidate the work of a people … is really ridiculous," he said in a 1998 speech. It has been so long since anyone else set the agenda in Cuba that it is hard to know whether that remark will prove true.

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shiny pony is being mocked worldwide...he's a turnip.


That is too funny
 

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Canadians vacation in Cuba because it's cheap. The good of it is that it provides work for the Cuban people who are so desperately poor.

And that is as far as our support for the regular Cuban people has went. When we travel to Cuba we think more about saving a "few bucks" than think about anything else pertaining to Cuba. In the end your "tourist" dollars still suppourted a corrupt government.
 

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A dictator is a dictator. Pierre Trudeau was dead wrong in his praise of Fidel and equally is his son. There is no way to spin this one into a 'maybe it's okay'. Both Fidel and Raul used to film some of their atrocities, if interested check out "therealcuba.com". The Castro's are vile creatures.
 

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oh, OK, then it is settled.....Justin Trudeau is as dumb as Harper.
No, they are disingenuous although I am hopeful that Trudeau actually understands how Castro treated his enemies.

Harper just didn't care about how the Saudis treated their people.

But I have always been amazed at the hypocrisy shown by the Conservative mind whether it been demonizing Iran or Cuba (and until lately, Russia) while they support some of the equally putrid, if not worst, despots around. I have always looked at their support for Communist China as the apex of hypocrisy but yet the USA and Canada continue to deal with them........

It is highly disingenuous at best for Donald Trump or any American to call Fidel Castro a “brutal dictator” without acknowledging the lengthy US record of supporting even worse tyrants — from the fascist Franco in Spain to Pol Pot in Cambodia to Saddam Hussein and the genocidal military rulers of Indonesia and Central America — throughout modern history and right up to the present day.

But Americans have always suffered from a seeming inability to hold their own side to the same rules that, if broken by others, often result in crippling sanctions or even military attacks, invasions and occupations that for sheer death, destruction and devastation dwarf Castro’s crimes like the sun overshadows our Earth.

A few words about brutal dictators, since Trump went there: If Trump truly cares about freeing people from oppression, ending “unimaginable suffering” and restoring “fundamental human rights,” he should speak out against the brutal dictatorships supported by the United States. Freedom House, the US Government-funded NGO that conducts research and advocacy on democracy, political freedom and human rights, publishes an annual Freedom In The World index. In this year’s ranking, Cuba ties with China for 16th-least free nation on Earth. Of the 15 most repressed countries, seven enjoy critical or significant levels of US support:

Bahrain: This Sunni Muslim Gulf monarchy has been ruled by the al-Khalifa dynasty since the time of the American Revolution. When Shia Muslims began demanding greater freedom during the 2011 Arab Spring uprising, the ruling regime responded by killing dozens of peaceful protesters and arresting, torturing and murdering anyone suspected of opposing it. State security services raided schools, torturing and threatening to rape girls as young as 12. Doctors and other medical personnel who treated wounded protesters were arrested and tortured as well. Female doctors were tortured with electric shocks, beaten with nail-studded boards and threatened with rape. Some were forced to eat feces. All were tortured to elicit false confessions. The Obama administration responded with tepid criticism and tens of millions of dollars in new arms sales to the sadistically murderous regime — which also happens to host the US Navy Fifth Fleet and serve as a bulwark against nearby Iran.


Equatorial Guinea: The US State Department human rights report on this tiny — but oil rich (and fantastically corrupt) — West African nation lists “torture of detainees by security forces, life-threatening conditions in prisons, and arbitrary arrests” as grave concerns. Teodoro Obiang, the deplorable dictator who seized power by ousting his own uncle in a 1979 military coup, periodically holds sham elections which he typically “wins” with 95 percent or more of the vote. Dissent, where there is any, is severely quashed. Yet US dependence on foreign oil led a leading American diplomat to praise Obiang’s “mellowing, benign leadership’’ while advocating “to abandon a moral narrative’’ when dealing with Equatorial Guinea. Obiang was literally embraced by the Obamas at a swank Manhattan reception.


Ethiopia: International human rights groups have condemned extrajudicial executions, widespread torture, violent repression of peaceful protest and severe restrictions on free expression, assembly and association in the East African nation of 94 million people. State security forces have viciously crushed a nonviolent uprising by the marginalized Oromo people, the single largest ethnic group both in Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa.


The repressive nature of the ruling Hailemariam Desalegn regime — which “won” 100 percent of the nation’s parliamentary seats in a 2015 election that was neither free nor fair — did not stop President Obama from visiting Ethiopia and praising its “democratically elected government” for being a valuable ally in the fight against Islamist terrorism.


Saudi Arabia: Why do successive US administrations continue to count a fundamentalist Islamist monarchy whose members fund the same terrorists the United States has been fighting this entire century as one of its closest Middle Eastern allies? Fifteen of the 19 9/11 hijackers, as well as longtime al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, were Saudis, who hail from a kingdom where arbitrary arrest and torture are commonplace, especially for members of religious minorities or those who advocate any sort of reform.


Rape victims are publicly punished. Renouncing or insulting Islam, cheating on your spouse, being gay, selling sex and practicing witchcraft are punishable by death, usually by public beheading. Despite the very clear connections between Saudi Arabia and 9/11, President Obama recently vetoed legislation approved by Congress that would have allowed families of September 11th victims to sue the Saudi regime, and the Obama has offered the fundamentalist dictatorship more than $115 billion in US weapons and training, the biggest such offer in the history of US-Saudi relations. American arms are killing thousands of innocent civilians as the Saudi air force indiscriminately bombs Houthi rebels in neighboring Yemen. Yet the United States remains the kingdom’s most steadfast ally and benefactor.


Why? The United States imports more oil from Saudi Arabia than from any other country save Canada, and despite its own history of supporting Islamist extremism, Washington continues to count the kingdom as a valuable ally in its war against terrorism.


South Sudan: The United Nations estimates at least 50,000 people have been killed and another 2.2 million displaced since a civil war erupted largely along ethnic lines in 2013 and pushed millions to the brink of famine. While both sides in the conflict have committed atrocities, a 2015 African Union investigation revealed mass graves and evidence of heinous atrocities committed by US-backed South Sudanese troops, including summary executions, brutal gang rape of women and girls of all ages, torture and forced cannibalism. A March 2016 UN report on the conflict contained “harrowing accounts of civilians suspected of supporting the opposition, including children and the disabled, killed by being burned alive, suffocated in containers, shot, hanged from trees or cut to pieces.” The United States backed predominantly Christian South Sudan's independence from Sudan, which is almost entirely Muslim, in 2011, providing billions of dollars in economic and military assistance to the government of President Salva Kiir despite widespread reports of human rights violations, including the use of child soldiers. After rampaging South Sudanese troops attacked, robbed and gang-raped American and Western aid workers earlier this year, the Obama administration remained silent about the atrocity until it was revealed in the international media more than a month later.


Turkmenistan: President Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov rules with absolute authority over one of the world’s most repressed nations, where members of religious and ethnic minorities face particularly severe oppression. Arbitrary arrests, imprisonment and torture, sometimes deadly, have been reported. There is no freedom of expression, press, worship or association. Male homosexual sex is punishable by imprisonment. Despite all this, successive US administrations have cozied up to the regime in pursuit of lucrative oil and natural gas pipeline deals and access to routes to supply troops in Afghanistan.


Uzbekistan: Although Islam Karimov, who ruled with an iron fist since Soviet times and who was prone to medieval tortures like boiling his opponents alive, recently died, there are few signs that life will improve for people living under his repressive regime — or that the United States will alter its stance of friendship and cooperation with the dictatorship. The US has long covered for Uzbekistan’s crimes; after state security forces massacred hundreds of innocent civilians demonstrating for greater freedom in Andijan in 2005, US officials helped block an international investigation of the slaughter. The Obama administration restored military aid to the murderous regime in 2012, with a now-infamous photo of Hillary Clinton shaking hands with Karimov alarming human rights advocates around the world. In addition to its tremendous fossil fuel reserves, Uzbekistan has won US favor by assisting the American-led war in Afghanistan.

These are just the regimes ranked worse than Cuba by Freedom House. China (tied with Cuba) is the United States’ second-largest trading partner despite its horrific human rights record and occupation of Tibet, ranked the least-free place on the planet by Freedom House. Washington funds or tolerates serious human rights violations by allies and others around the world, including in Afghanistan, Iraq, Mexico, Turkey, Qatar, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Somalia, Nigeria, Israel/Palestine, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos and elsewhere
 

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I was referring to your Vietnamese reference .

They overlap.

I had the Haitians on the brain.
There's another one.


I suppose that my own ancestors should be on that list. They came here in numbers in leaky sailing craft, escaping all sorts of nasty things.
 
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No, they are disingenuous although I am hopeful that Trudeau actually understands how Castro treated his enemies.

Harper just didn't care about how the Saudis treated their people.

But I have always been amazed at the hypocrisy shown by the Conservative mind whether it been demonizing Iran or Cuba (and until lately, Russia) while they support some of the equally putrid, if not worst, despots around. I have always looked at their support for Communist China as the apex of hypocrisy but yet the USA and Canada continue to deal with them........

It is highly disingenuous at best for Donald Trump or any American to call Fidel Castro a “brutal dictator” without acknowledging the lengthy US record of supporting even worse tyrants — from the fascist Franco in Spain to Pol Pot in Cambodia to Saddam Hussein and the genocidal military rulers of Indonesia and Central America — throughout modern history and right up to the present day.

But Americans have always suffered from a seeming inability to hold their own side to the same rules that, if broken by others, often result in crippling sanctions or even military attacks, invasions and occupations that for sheer death, destruction and devastation dwarf Castro’s crimes like the sun overshadows our Earth.

A few words about brutal dictators, since Trump went there: If Trump truly cares about freeing people from oppression, ending “unimaginable suffering” and restoring “fundamental human rights,” he should speak out against the brutal dictatorships supported by the United States. Freedom House, the US Government-funded NGO that conducts research and advocacy on democracy, political freedom and human rights, publishes an annual Freedom In The World index. In this year’s ranking, Cuba ties with China for 16th-least free nation on Earth. Of the 15 most repressed countries, seven enjoy critical or significant levels of US support:

Bahrain: This Sunni Muslim Gulf monarchy has been ruled by the al-Khalifa dynasty since the time of the American Revolution. When Shia Muslims began demanding greater freedom during the 2011 Arab Spring uprising, the ruling regime responded by killing dozens of peaceful protesters and arresting, torturing and murdering anyone suspected of opposing it. State security services raided schools, torturing and threatening to rape girls as young as 12. Doctors and other medical personnel who treated wounded protesters were arrested and tortured as well. Female doctors were tortured with electric shocks, beaten with nail-studded boards and threatened with rape. Some were forced to eat feces. All were tortured to elicit false confessions. The Obama administration responded with tepid criticism and tens of millions of dollars in new arms sales to the sadistically murderous regime — which also happens to host the US Navy Fifth Fleet and serve as a bulwark against nearby Iran.


Equatorial Guinea: The US State Department human rights report on this tiny — but oil rich (and fantastically corrupt) — West African nation lists “torture of detainees by security forces, life-threatening conditions in prisons, and arbitrary arrests” as grave concerns. Teodoro Obiang, the deplorable dictator who seized power by ousting his own uncle in a 1979 military coup, periodically holds sham elections which he typically “wins” with 95 percent or more of the vote. Dissent, where there is any, is severely quashed. Yet US dependence on foreign oil led a leading American diplomat to praise Obiang’s “mellowing, benign leadership’’ while advocating “to abandon a moral narrative’’ when dealing with Equatorial Guinea. Obiang was literally embraced by the Obamas at a swank Manhattan reception.


Ethiopia: International human rights groups have condemned extrajudicial executions, widespread torture, violent repression of peaceful protest and severe restrictions on free expression, assembly and association in the East African nation of 94 million people. State security forces have viciously crushed a nonviolent uprising by the marginalized Oromo people, the single largest ethnic group both in Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa.


The repressive nature of the ruling Hailemariam Desalegn regime — which “won” 100 percent of the nation’s parliamentary seats in a 2015 election that was neither free nor fair — did not stop President Obama from visiting Ethiopia and praising its “democratically elected government” for being a valuable ally in the fight against Islamist terrorism.


Saudi Arabia: Why do successive US administrations continue to count a fundamentalist Islamist monarchy whose members fund the same terrorists the United States has been fighting this entire century as one of its closest Middle Eastern allies? Fifteen of the 19 9/11 hijackers, as well as longtime al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, were Saudis, who hail from a kingdom where arbitrary arrest and torture are commonplace, especially for members of religious minorities or those who advocate any sort of reform.


Rape victims are publicly punished. Renouncing or insulting Islam, cheating on your spouse, being gay, selling sex and practicing witchcraft are punishable by death, usually by public beheading. Despite the very clear connections between Saudi Arabia and 9/11, President Obama recently vetoed legislation approved by Congress that would have allowed families of September 11th victims to sue the Saudi regime, and the Obama has offered the fundamentalist dictatorship more than $115 billion in US weapons and training, the biggest such offer in the history of US-Saudi relations. American arms are killing thousands of innocent civilians as the Saudi air force indiscriminately bombs Houthi rebels in neighboring Yemen. Yet the United States remains the kingdom’s most steadfast ally and benefactor.


Why? The United States imports more oil from Saudi Arabia than from any other country save Canada, and despite its own history of supporting Islamist extremism, Washington continues to count the kingdom as a valuable ally in its war against terrorism.


South Sudan: The United Nations estimates at least 50,000 people have been killed and another 2.2 million displaced since a civil war erupted largely along ethnic lines in 2013 and pushed millions to the brink of famine. While both sides in the conflict have committed atrocities, a 2015 African Union investigation revealed mass graves and evidence of heinous atrocities committed by US-backed South Sudanese troops, including summary executions, brutal gang rape of women and girls of all ages, torture and forced cannibalism. A March 2016 UN report on the conflict contained “harrowing accounts of civilians suspected of supporting the opposition, including children and the disabled, killed by being burned alive, suffocated in containers, shot, hanged from trees or cut to pieces.” The United States backed predominantly Christian South Sudan's independence from Sudan, which is almost entirely Muslim, in 2011, providing billions of dollars in economic and military assistance to the government of President Salva Kiir despite widespread reports of human rights violations, including the use of child soldiers. After rampaging South Sudanese troops attacked, robbed and gang-raped American and Western aid workers earlier this year, the Obama administration remained silent about the atrocity until it was revealed in the international media more than a month later.


Turkmenistan: President Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov rules with absolute authority over one of the world’s most repressed nations, where members of religious and ethnic minorities face particularly severe oppression. Arbitrary arrests, imprisonment and torture, sometimes deadly, have been reported. There is no freedom of expression, press, worship or association. Male homosexual sex is punishable by imprisonment. Despite all this, successive US administrations have cozied up to the regime in pursuit of lucrative oil and natural gas pipeline deals and access to routes to supply troops in Afghanistan.


Uzbekistan: Although Islam Karimov, who ruled with an iron fist since Soviet times and who was prone to medieval tortures like boiling his opponents alive, recently died, there are few signs that life will improve for people living under his repressive regime — or that the United States will alter its stance of friendship and cooperation with the dictatorship. The US has long covered for Uzbekistan’s crimes; after state security forces massacred hundreds of innocent civilians demonstrating for greater freedom in Andijan in 2005, US officials helped block an international investigation of the slaughter. The Obama administration restored military aid to the murderous regime in 2012, with a now-infamous photo of Hillary Clinton shaking hands with Karimov alarming human rights advocates around the world. In addition to its tremendous fossil fuel reserves, Uzbekistan has won US favor by assisting the American-led war in Afghanistan.

These are just the regimes ranked worse than Cuba by Freedom House. China (tied with Cuba) is the United States’ second-largest trading partner despite its horrific human rights record and occupation of Tibet, ranked the least-free place on the planet by Freedom House. Washington funds or tolerates serious human rights violations by allies and others around the world, including in Afghanistan, Iraq, Mexico, Turkey, Qatar, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Somalia, Nigeria, Israel/Palestine, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos and elsewhere

You say potato, I say potato. Then your saltiness for Harper prevents you from agreeing with me. LOL
 

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You say potato, I say potato. Then your saltiness for Harper prevents you from agreeing with me. LOL
No. I don't agree they are stupid. I agree they are disingenuous and know full well what they are and are not saying........

disingenuous

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  1. not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does


stupid

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  1. lacking intelligence or common sense:
 

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"We have seen the passing away of a giant of 20th century,'"Philippe Couillard says. A giant is the right term, a giant tyrant of the 20th century.
 

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Just putting this out there for flavour.

I do not support dictatorships.


Singapore has achieved the American dream, but not in the American way. It is a prosperous, clean city, with imposing skyscrapers and glittering shopping centers. The multinational corporations of the world are welcome here; you can buy any brand name you’ve ever heard of. The highways are lined with tropical flowers and crowded with BMWs. And at the head of this thriving free-market state is a clever, socialist dictator.

Just forty years ago Singapore was a war-battered British port on an island off the southern tip of Malaysia. It had a rapidly growing, poor, uneducated population living mostly in slums and houseboats. Singapore struggled along until 1965, when it became an independent nation with Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew in firm control.

In the next twenty years Singapore’s economy grew eightfold. Average income per capita rose more than fourfold. The percentage of families living in poverty dropped to 0.3% (in the U.S. it is near 20%). Singaporeans’ average life expectancy is now 71 years. No one is homeless. Population has stabilized. Virtually everyone has a job. The place runs like a Swiss watch.

Singapore Leads the Good Life Under a Benevolent Dictator - The Donella Meadows Institute
 

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True.

I think, to be fair, this is good discussion to have about authority in general because we inherently treat dictatorship as a bad word though there is the possibility of some good outcomes in every form of government.

In this respect, I think it would be fair to recognise the nuance in Trudeau's comments in that he clearly shares our view that we should have a sustainable democracy even though you can acknowledge the merits of controversial figures like Castro.

Yeah....a lot of ****ing nuance......Castro murdered at least 7,000 people. He put gays in labour camps. He is listed by Reporters Without Borders as running the country listed as number 171 out of 180 for press freedom. He betrayed the Revolution, in spades.

Trudeau Sr. never met a Commie mass murderer he didn't love. His son has the same tendency to love that basic dictatorship in the worst human rights abusers.

Justin is a fool. And a damned nasty fool. His entire nicey-nice sweet guy thing is an act.

Trudeau's turn from cool to laughing stock - Macleans.ca
 

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Just putting this out there for flavour.

I do not support dictatorships.


Singapore has achieved the American dream, but not in the American way. It is a prosperous, clean city, with imposing skyscrapers and glittering shopping centers. The multinational corporations of the world are welcome here; you can buy any brand name you’ve ever heard of. The highways are lined with tropical flowers and crowded with BMWs. And at the head of this thriving free-market state is a clever, socialist dictator.

Just forty years ago Singapore was a war-battered British port on an island off the southern tip of Malaysia. It had a rapidly growing, poor, uneducated population living mostly in slums and houseboats. Singapore struggled along until 1965, when it became an independent nation with Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew in firm control.

In the next twenty years Singapore’s economy grew eightfold. Average income per capita rose more than fourfold. The percentage of families living in poverty dropped to 0.3% (in the U.S. it is near 20%). Singaporeans’ average life expectancy is now 71 years. No one is homeless. Population has stabilized. Virtually everyone has a job. The place runs like a Swiss watch.

Singapore Leads the Good Life Under a Benevolent Dictator - The Donella Meadows Institute

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Locutus

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Just putting this out there for flavour.


no you're not.

you do it (as do all the prog drones and media) to attempt an end-run at validating something retarded said or done by one of your dear leaders or talking heads. to minimize some brainfart, to distratct an audience or an electorate.

and in this case I believe this spastic message from the shiny pony was actually written by the boy himself and not one of his lackies like gerry butts.

he gags to be heard, to be noticed, loved, adored and confirmed as the edgy one, an elite nouveau world leader.

go ahead and jingle them shiny keys cuck.

nice try though but no one is having any of it. :lol:






let's leave on a high note:

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Angstrom

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Putin liked him. What are the Trumpites all uppity about?

Russia is the only reason why Cuba was able to stand up to The United Snowflakes of America. Don't think it could have been possible without nuk's