We believe in the revelation to all the prophets without exception

[darkbeaver]

Robespierre was a hard drinker, I know I used to hang out with him in the old days.

You've already seen thousands of my admissions, (under torture) about my ignorance. It's a big universe, you always gonea be a tiny conductor.

The main thing is firewood without which no assault on the prevailing reality can be mounted nor sustained nor won, trees are my future ande yours, I hope your an active supporter of trees, and not just pretty.

My favouite prophet was cruxified on wood. I rest my case.

A wooden cross is the ladder to a good afterlife, onward Xtian soldier, with the cross and cresent moon and Buddas smile,

 

[Murphy]

Years ago, this was my favourite prophet.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAvqSV1DOE

But, you gotta stick with the winners. This was taped at a Jerusalem bar, just around the corner from the Waylon Wall.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=csONW-zWFqs

 

[MHz]

I can provide addresses to mhz and selfsame. I'm sure the people there would be very happy to see both of you.

You have them on speed-dial most likely. They didn't do such a hot job with you now did they??

 

[Murphy]

Speed dial is a necessity in the modern world.

This next oy vey will explain the confused, murderous nature of the idolaters who follow Mo-Hammad. In the dim times before electrons and hole theory, there were foxes. Singing foxes.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqWXJD544iU

This ends the oy vey.

 

[MHz]

There was no Noah dummy. Just as the Epic of Gilgamesh was fiction so was the story of Noah. Good movie though always enjoy Russell Crowe good actor. now,,,,take your pills.

So the oceans didn't rise 400ft during the great melt eh?

 

[Ludlow]

Megaloon falls into the latter category full on.

 

[Murphy]

There was no great melt, but there has been water loss. Water has been pumped into industrial space craft for almost 3,000 years. Where you been?

 

[gerryh]

Of course, of course; what smart are you!

Well, considering the grammar in that sentence is completely wrong, and that you follow a minion of Satan, then a hell of a lot smarter than you are.

 

[French Patriot]

We believe in the Quran that was revealed to us, and in what had been revealed to Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and his sons, the Ten Commandments and the Torah revealed to Moses, the Psalms of David, the books of the prophets revealed to them from their Lord, and the Gospel revealed to Jesus the son of Mary and the apostles.

I like that you believe Jesus to be a prophet.


He preached the Golden Rule.


Islam does not believe in or use that Golden Rule do they?


Regards
DL

I have my own faith. It comes from studying many religions and spiritual teachings and my personal experiences with the divine. .

Nice. Care to share that personal experience with the divine?


Regards
DL

Found this part interesting, Selfsame.

Are you saying that God can't guide whoever? Because, who are YOU to say God has not guided Cliffy, or myself, or any others? Who is to say that despite your interpretation of the Quran, you are right? Only God has the right to judge and you are not God, thus you cannot say who is and is not the guided.

I liked your reply except for this bit. "Only God has the right to judge".


I am not a Christian.
I am a Gnostic Christian with no supernatural beliefs, but have read scriptures and do not find what you put accurate even though many Christians spout that line.


First, all who follow Yahweh would have had to judge him good, otherwise they would not just follow thoughtlessly. This statement may not be true. That would likely depend on your own view, but this aside.


Second, this quote sounds to me like God asking us to judge everything.


1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.


Do you agree?


Regards
DL

The central part of God's revelation is that the religion and obedience and submission should be to God alone without associate or son or parents or equals or peers.

Both Islam and Christians are eager to serve God. Christians through obedience and Muslims through submission. I see thos terms as synonymous, but that aside, both groups wish to slave themselves to God.


As above so below.


Self old buddy. Where I come from, the strong work for or serve the weak in their families and community.
The strong in the family or community do not demand that the weak serve them.


Is that the same where you live?


If so, and if as above so below applies, God should be wanting to serve us and not expect us weak people to serve him.


Right?


Regards
DL

God can guide all people in all the planets, but His plan is that He will not guide the wrong-doers.
.

Interesting that he will not guide those that need guidance the most, from your point of view that is.


So why are you here interfering in his non-guidance, --- by trying to guide the wrong-doers, --- which are of course non-believers, here?


Regards
DL

 

[selfsame]

I like that you believe Jesus to be a prophet.
He preached the Golden Rule.
Islam does not believe in or use that Golden Rule do they?

What 'golden rule'?

Both Islam and Christians are eager to serve God. Christians through obedience and Muslims through submission. I see thos terms as synonymous, but that aside, both groups wish to slave themselves to God.

The religion is the servitude of man to God: the Creator Who bestows on man every blessing and bounty; so God is the god, and man is to serve or worship him, and to beware of His punishment if he transgresses on others.

God should be wanting to serve us and not expect us weak people to serve him.

God does not serve man; it is man that should serve God; so God is the god to be worshiped and man is the servant; the disbeliever disdains the servitude to God, and he is proud over his Lord.
So the religion is to bow down to God and to prostrate himself in glorifying and worshiping God Almighty and Most Gracious.

Interesting that he will not guide those that need guidance the most, from your point of view that is.

People are two kinds: those doing wrong, and those doing charity and are kind to the poor.
God dislikes the wrong-doer so He misguides them and will punish them, while He likes and is well pleased with the second group: the kind to the weak and needy, so He will guide them so as to admit them into His mercy: or His paradise.

So why are you here interfering in his non-guidance, --- by trying to guide the wrong-doers, --- which are of course non-believers, here?

I am here to tell others about the Quran which is a grace to all mankind, and not all people are wrong-doers; God knows who is the good-doer so that he will guide him to Paradise or Heaven in the Next Life.

 

[French Patriot]

What 'golden rule'?



I thought that you said you respected Jesus. Not enough to know what he preached seems like.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment



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The religion is the servitude of man to God: the Creator Who bestows on man every blessing and bounty; so God is the god, and man is to serve or worship him, and to beware of His punishment if he transgresses on others.



Every blessing and every curse. Right?
Scriptures do say that God created all things including evil.
Is Allah less of a creator than Yahweh?

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God does not serve man; it is man that should serve God; so God is the god to be worshiped and man is the servant; the disbeliever disdains the servitude to God, and he is proud over his Lord.
So the religion is to bow down to God and to prostrate himself in glorifying and worshiping God Almighty and Most Gracious.

What does an all powerful God need with servants?
You make God sound like a human.


God has no needs or wants that he cannot instantly give himself. Right?


I take it you are a strong man. Do you feel that the strong should make the weak serve them or is it your duty as a strong man to serve the weaker around you?


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People are two kinds: those doing wrong, and those doing charity and are kind to the poor.
God dislikes the wrong-doer so He misguides them and will punish them, while He likes and is well pleased with the second group: the kind to the weak and needy, so He will guide them so as to admit them into His mercy: or His paradise.



And screw those who need him the most.
You respect that do you?


You say God dislikes the wrong doers yet you show Allah not doing charity or being kind to the poor of mind who will not follow him.


Seems that you Muslims are more kind than you God.

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I am here to tell others about the Quran which is a grace to all mankind, and not all people are wrong-doers; God knows who is the good-doer so that he will guide him to Paradise or Heaven in the Next Life.

If the Quran is grace to all of mankind, why have you just said that he will not give any to those you call evil. Are they not a part of mankind?


Further, what grace does Allah say his followers should give to Muslims who leave Islam?


Regards
DL

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I believe in the realization of profits without exception.

 

[Murphy]

What about squeezing idolaters for their juice? Then bottling it for retail sale! Almost three and a half Muslims packed into every bottle!

What about convicting a station wagon full of nuns by the skillful cross examination of a convicted felon?

What about converting selfsame to the blessed life led by the JWs? Or better yet, can we give selfsame's address to a Kingdom Hall? You know, so he'll get a taste of his own medicine!

Why does the Arabic word "Allah" look like a snake?

Why don't Arabs say, "Come on, squeal like a pig!" Seems like something they should say.

Why is it so difficult to get invited to a nice seder in Baghdad? Nah, we'll have to wait for another two or three years.

Does anyone other than Tom T. Hall remember the day that Clayton Delaney died?

And what of the woman in black?

 

[Cliffy]

 

[bluebyrd35]

Quote: "I am here to tell others about the Quran which is a grace to all mankind, and not all people are wrong-doers; God knows who is the good-doer so that he will guide him to Paradise or Heaven in the Next Life.''

If God were as smart as me, He/She would guide all do-gooders to nagging the wrong-doers for eternity in the after-life, seems like a good solution. Keeps both groups busy and out of way of the majority of us.

And by the way, who punishes God for all the atrocities He/She is responsible for??

 

[selfsame]

If God were as smart as me, He/She would guide all do-gooders to nagging the wrong-doers for eternity in the after-life, seems like a good solution. Keeps both groups busy and out of way of the majority of us.

And by the way, who punishes God for all the atrocities He/She is responsible for??

Atrocities? This is said and asserted by some atheists like Dawkins and his followers.
While in fact, God does not wrong anyone; God does not need to do wrong to anyone; only the weak will do wrong to others in order to prevail and have power.

Quran 10: 44, which means:
(God wrongs not people in anything, but it is people who do wrong themselves.)

Moreover, the Quran 35: 45 means:
(If God should [hasten to] take men to task [and punish them] for what [sins] they earn, He would not leave on the surface [of the earth] even one moving creature [man or animal.] o

But He defers them to a ‘stated decreed time’ p, and when their ‘decreed time’ comes q, then God is Ever-Discerning His servants r.)
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45 o But all of them would have died.
45 p Which is the last day of their life time.
45 q By death.
45 r When He will punish the disbelievers and show mercy to the believers in the Barzakh world [: the Afterlife.]

http://quran-ayat.com/interpretation.pdf
quran-ayat(dot)com/interpretation(dot)pdf

 

[Ludlow]

Atrocities? This is said and asserted by some atheists like Dawkins and his followers.
While in fact, God does not wrong anyone; God does not need to do wrong to anyone; only the weak will do wrong to others in order to prevail and have power.

Quran 10: 44, which means:
(God wrongs not people in anything, but it is people who do wrong themselves.)

Moreover, the Quran 35: 45 means:
(If God should [hasten to] take men to task [and punish them] for what [sins] they earn, He would not leave on the surface [of the earth] even one moving creature [man or animal.] o

But He defers them to a ‘stated decreed time’ p, and when their ‘decreed time’ comes q, then God is Ever-Discerning His servants r.)
................................................................................

45 o But all of them would have died.
45 p Which is the last day of their life time.
45 q By death.
45 r When He will punish the disbelievers and show mercy to the believers in the Barzakh world [: the Afterlife.]

http://quran-ayat.com/interpretation.pdf
quran-ayat(dot)com/interpretation(dot)pdf

No one give a flyin camel fuk Selfslop.

 

[selfsame]

If God were as smart as me, He/She would guide all do-gooders to nagging the wrong-doers for eternity in the after-life, seems like a good solution. Keeps both groups busy and out of way of the majority of us.

God punishes the disbeliever in the Next Life in addition to the present life of the World.

1- When the disbeliever dies, and he being the enemy of God, who worked to oppose and fight the religion of God, specially when he opposes God's messenger: i.e. he saw the messenger and denied him: then he will go to the hell of volcanoes: the angels of punishment capture him, put the chains and fetters on him and lead him to the fire punishment.

Other guilty disbelievers and idolaters will have the devils set on them to imprison and torture them till Doomsday.

2- On Doomsday none will punish him, but Saqar which is the Hell ( it is a sun bigger than the present sun) on Doomsday will draw him by its gravity and he cannot escape from it and its gravity, like the gravity of the earth which none can get out of it, so once man jumps he will return immediately to the earth again by its gravity.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/2.htm#Hell_
quran-ayat(dot)com/man/2(dot)htm#Hell_

 

[gerryh]

God punishes the disbeliever in the Next Life in addition to the present life of the World.

1- When the disbeliever dies, and he being the enemy of God, who worked to oppose and fight the religion of God, specially when he opposes God's messenger: i.e. he saw the messenger and denied him: then he will go to the hell of volcanoes: the angels of punishment capture him, put the chains and fetters on him and lead him to the fire punishment.

Other guilty disbelievers and idolaters will have the devils set on them to imprison and torture them till Doomsday.

2- On Doomsday none will punish him, but Saqar which is the Hell ( it is a sun bigger than the present sun) on Doomsday will draw him by its gravity and he cannot escape from it and its gravity, like the gravity of the earth which none can get out of it, so once man jumps he will return immediately to the earth again by its gravity.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/2.htm#Hell_
quran-ayat(dot)com/man/2(dot)htm#Hell_

all lies

 

[selfsame]

If the Quran is grace to all of mankind, why have you just said that he will not give any to those you call evil. Are they not a part of mankind?

So you are not that philosopher.

The Prophet was sent as a grace to all mankind: when he explained to them the 'devotion to God alone' and when he guided people out of the darkness of the idolatry to the light of belief and enjoined on them all the moral and good manners.

The Quran is a grace and mercy to the believers, while it increases the wrong-doer into more loss.

Quran 17: 82, which means:
(And We reveal of the Quran that which is a cure [of the psychological diseases and the ill nature] and a mercy for believers h, but wrong-doers: it only increases their loss i.)
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82 h Because they will be admitted into Paradise on account of their following the Quran and working according to its statements.
82 i Because they do not believe in it, so they will lose their Next Life.

Further, what grace does Allah say his followers should give to Muslims who leave Islam?

Those who leave the Islam religion and apostatize; they will be disbelievers and will lose in the Next Life:
Quran 47: 25, which means:
( Surely, those who has turned back as apostates after being rightly guided; it is Satan that has induced them and stirred vain hopes within themselves. a)
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25 a i.e. he gave them hope with long life, and insisted on that.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/contents.php
quran-ayat(dot)com/pret/contents(dot)php