Federal Carbon Price established at $10 a tonne in 2018, rising to $50 by 2022

bobnoorduyn

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Like his father, Trudeau Jr is looking for a way to f....k Quebecers without too awaken nationalist sentiment in Quebec. Be patient my dear friends of Canada. Trudeau will put a big piece of pipe in our deep a.s and it will be lubricated with the western's tar sands.


I don't know if that's quite correct; Trudeau Номер Один tried his damnedest to appease Quebec, forced the country into official bilingualism, the metric system among other things. He knew that the only way he could have a stranglehold over the entire country was to hold absolute power, and he needed Quebec for that. Mulroney on the other hand was instrumental in giving us the first Quebec only, separatist Her Majesty's Official Opposition party ever. Where Trudeau Номер Два emulates his dad is in his disrespect for the provinces, especially the West. Where they differ is in intelligence and experience, and for the sake of Canada I can only hope this will be Princess Justine's downfall.
 

Nick Danger

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Stupid question: Is carbon tax payable on the potential emissions of fossil fuels produced, or just on the actual emissions released during production?
 

Dixie Cup

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Trudeau's fantastic.

Completely obliterated the Conservative dream and I get to watch you guys wallow in despair for the next 12 years.


It's truly a dream come true.

Every single day. :)



How does the saying go? Watch what you wish for....you just might get it and boy, are we ever LOL
 

Nick Danger

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Stupid question: Is carbon tax payable on the potential emissions of fossil fuels produced, or just on the actual emissions released during production?

From what I've been able to find, carbon taxes focus on the end user, those who actually create the emissions. This strikes me as somewhat hypocritical as those who actually enable those emissions by producing the fuel products in the first place get off lightly in comparison to the amount of GHG's their product will ultimately produce.
 

taxslave

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From what I've been able to find, carbon taxes focus on the end user, those who actually create the emissions. This strikes me as somewhat hypocritical as those who actually enable those emissions by producing the fuel products in the first place get off lightly in comparison to the amount of GHG's their product will ultimately produce.

Doesn't really matter since the end user will ultimately pay in the price of the products. What I haven't been able to find out yet if this tax will apply to exports as well as domestic use or if it will be like the GST and only Canadians have to pay.

Like his father, Trudeau Jr is looking for a way to f....k Quebecers without too awaken nationalist sentiment in Quebec. Be patient my dear friends of Canada. Trudeau will put a big piece of pipe in our deep a.s and it will be lubricated with the western's tar sands.

Like his father trudOWE will screw the rest of Canada to placate the whiners in Quebec.
 

Nick Danger

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Doesn't really matter since the end user will ultimately pay in the price of the products. What I haven't been able to find out yet if this tax will apply to exports as well as domestic use or if it will be like the GST and only Canadians have to pay.

I was going by information I found that related specifically to BC's carbon tax, it's an assumption on my that other jurisdictions will have similar plans. There is a lengthy list of exemptions to the tax here:

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/taxes/sales-taxes/motor-fuel-carbon-tax/business/exemptions
 

Remington1

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I just wish I would have been consultant on if I wanted or not to be charged an extra $1200 + a year to make JT look good to the world!. I wonder how the MP's felt when this new "Real Change" included a tax shoved down their throat! I would have been open to paying my share, I would say $200/ year, but not the LIB's need much much more, because someone has to pay, not for climate change, but for all the spending that is happening.
 

Cannuck

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taxslave

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More deserved praise.

What a contrast from that bum we had in office last time.


Bloomberg: Trudeau’s national carbon tax a model that should be ‘widely copied’ around the world

Last time we had a real man in office that could think for himself and was respectful to taxpayers. Now we got an idiot that wants to destroy Canada and give our money to third world countries. I'm sure all his trustfund buddies will be well protected though.

I was going by information I found that related specifically to BC's carbon tax, it's an assumption on my that other jurisdictions will have similar plans. There is a lengthy list of exemptions to the tax here:

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/taxes/sales-taxes/motor-fuel-carbon-tax/business/exemptions

Bad link.
 

petros

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Exemptions

Certain individuals and businesses may be eligible to purchase fuel without paying tax. Some exemptions apply to both taxes, while others apply only to motor fuel tax or to carbon tax.

If you’re claiming an exemption, you may have to provide information proving you qualify for the exemption, such as an exemption certificate or identify card.

There are many exemptions from motor fuel tax and carbon tax. The following are some of the most common ones.

Exemptions from Motor Fuel & Carbon Taxes

The following fuel is exempt from both motor fuel tax and carbon tax:

Fuel sold and exported outside B.C. under certain conditions
Learn about exporting fuel in the bulletin Fuel Sellers (MFT-CT 001) (PDF)
Locomotive fuel purchased by an interjurisdictional rail service that is a registered consumer
Learn about claiming exemptions as a registered consumer in the bulletin Registered Consumers (MFT-CT 004) (PDF)
Jet fuel purchased by an international air service that is a registered consumer
Learn about claiming exemptions as a registered consumer in the bulletin Registered Consumers (MFT-CT 004) (PDF)
Fuel purchased on First Nations land by an eligible First Nations individual or band
Learn about claiming exemptions, procedures for sellers and applying for refunds in the bulletin Sales to First Nations, and the Exempt Fuel Retailer Program (MFT-CT 002) (PDF)
Coloured fuel purchased by a farmer that is delivered to their farm land
For more information, see the bulletin Coloured Fuels (MFT-CT 003) (PDF)
Fuel purchased by a visiting force or member of the diplomatic and consular corps
Learn about claiming exemptions, procedures for sellers and applying for refunds in the bulletin Exemption for Members of the Diplomatic and Consular Corps (CTB 007) (PDF)
Exemptions from Motor Fuel Tax Only

The following fuel is exempt from motor fuel tax:

Jet fuel purchased by an airline that is a registered consumer
Learn more about claiming exemptions as a registered consumer in the bulletin Registered Consumers (MFT-CT 004) (PDF)
Marine bunker fuel
Marine gas oil purchased for and used in a marine gas turbine engine that propels a commercial passenger or cargo ship
For more information, see the bulletin Tax Rates on Fuels (MFT-CT 005) (PDF)
Marine gas oil purchased for use in a marine gas turbine engine, other than for a commercial passenger or cargo ship
Fuel that will not be used in an internal combustion engine (e.g. coloured heating oil or fuel used for an exempt purpose such as a lubricant or to manufacture explosives)
For more information, see the bulletin Tax Rates on Fuels (MFT-CT 005) (PDF)
Propane (including Liquified Petroleum Gas):
Purchased in pre-filled or refilled cylinders (28 litres)
Used in a residential dwelling where certain conditions are met
Used by a qualifying farmer for a farm purpose
Learn about claiming exemptions for propane in the bulletin Propane Exemptions (MFT 014) (PDF)
Exemptions from Carbon Tax Only

The following fuel is exempt from carbon tax:

Fuel purchased by an end purchaser, who at the time of sale has entered into a contract with a common carrier to export the fuel from B.C. for their own use outside B.C.
Fuel used in an interjurisdictional cruise ship
Fuel used in a ship prohibited from coasting trade under the Coasting Trade Act (Canada)
Fuel purchased in sealed, pre-packaged containers of four litres or less
Fuel purchased by a registered consumer, registered air service or registered marine service (i.e. certain persons that purchase fuel for exempt purposes)
Learn more about claiming exemptions as a registered consumer, registered air service or registered marine service in the bulletins Registered Consumers (MFT-CT 004) (PDF), Commercial Air or Marine Services (CT 005) (PDF)
There are a limited number of exemptions from carbon tax for fuel that isn't combusted and is used in the following circumstances:

As a raw material to manufacture anodes for use in an electrolytic process for smelting aluminum
As a raw material in an industrial process to:
Produce or upgrade another fuel
Manufacture another substance
As a reagent to separate out coal or ores of metal in an industrial floatation process
In pipeline pigging
As antifreeze in a natural gas pipeline
In down-hole operations at a well site
To remove natural gas liquids or impurities in the processing of natural gas
As a refrigerant in a closed system in the processing of natural gas
If you're not a registered consumer, you must pay tax when you purchase the fuel for use in these circumstances but you may apply for a refund.

Appeals
You may be able to appeal if you disagree with an action we have taken or a decision we have made.

For example, if you are refused to be appointed as a collector, you can appeal directly to the minister, and if you still disagree, appeal to the courts.

Request a Refund
If you're eligible for an exemption but have already paid tax, you can apply for a refund.

If you don't qualify for a point of sale exemption but use fuel for a non-taxable purpose, you may still be eligible for a refund of the motor fuel tax and/or carbon tax you paid.

Resources
Fuel Sellers (MFT-CT 001) (PDF)
Sales to First Nations, & the Exempt Fuel Retailer Program (MFT-CT 002) (PDF)
Registered Consumers (MFT-CT 004) (PDF)
Tax Rates on Fuels (MFT-CT 005) (PDF)
Exemption for Members of the Diplomatic & Consular Corps (CTB 007) (PDF)
Propane Exemptions (MFT 014) (PDF)
 

taxslave

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So fuel that is exported does not have a carbon footprint. Also noted that by some miracle fuel burned by natives does not pollute like it does when the rest of us burn it.
 

bobnoorduyn

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So fuel that is exported does not have a carbon footprint. Also noted that by some miracle fuel burned by natives does not pollute like it does when the rest of us burn it.


You have to realise by now it's not about getting anything done, as if if anything could be done to fight nature, it's about optics pure and simple. The Libs get it, their useful idiots don't.

More deserved praise.

What a contrast from that bum we had in office last time.


Bloomberg: Trudeau’s national carbon tax a model that should be ‘widely copied’ around the world


Yeah, the NP has to balance their coverage with some lefty views just like the Globe has Margret Wente to balance theirs with righty views. But still I wouldn't find Stalin praising Lenin any more convincing.
 

mentalfloss

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Is there anyone who doesn't like Kathleen Wynne?

She just tells it like it is.


Wynne defends climate plan, citing Ontario’s ‘high’ carbon footprint

Premier Kathleen Wynne is defending the Liberal government’s decision to introduce a cap-and-trade program next year to combat climate change, calling Ontarians “very bad actors” when it comes to creating greenhouse gases.

Wynne admits Ontario led the way in fighting climate change by shutting down its coal-fired electrical generation stations, but said the province must do more even though it produces only fraction of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions.

“Even though we’re a small percentage overall of the global greenhouse gas emissions, we’re very bad actors in terms of our per capita creation of emissions,” she told the Niagara Chamber of Commerce on Tuesday.

“Our carbon footprint is quite high for the number of people that we have.”

The Liberal government predicts cap-and-trade will add about $5 a month to home heating bills and about four cents a litre to the price of gasoline at the pumps when it kicks in Jan. 1.

Business groups have expressed concerns about the economic impact of cap-and-trade, which will require polluters to buy emission credits that they can sell if they come in under their limit or buy from others if they can’t meet their targets.

“I know there’s some anxiety in the business community,” Wynne said.

The Liberals chose cap-and-trade over a carbon tax because the money raised from emission auctions will be used to help businesses reduce their greenhouse gas emissions, in part by developing new, clean technologies, she added.

“It’s not just a financial burden,” said Wynne. “They actually get money back in order to innovate, so that’s how they will reduce their emissions and be supported by the system.”

The world is seeing more severe storms because of climate change, said Wynne, who insisted the cost of doing nothing would be much greater than cap-and-trade.

“We are developing the capacity to develop clean technologies that we can obviously use here in industry to reduce greenhouse gas emission, but we can also export that technology,” she said. “That’s the kind of combined motivation.”

Wynne insisted she wasn’t worried that two auctions for the cap-and-trade market with Quebec and California that Ontario is set to join next year sold just a fraction of available emission allowances.

Only 35 per cent of the available carbon pollution credits were sold in California and Quebec’s latest joint auction in August, and that was up from just 10 per cent in the previous round.

Wynne defends climate plan, citing Ontario’s ‘high’ carbon footprint - The Globe and Mail