Your thoughts on official unilingualism?

[Queb]

What a joke, learn English and let it go.


What a joke, learn French and let it go

Same for english people in Québec ?

Learn french and let it go ?

 

[Johnnny]

There is no sense in denying English speakers services in English, that's just getting beyond stupid. In Northern Ontario where it's damn near 50 50, both French and English get there services provided in their language and everyone is fine.

 

[DaSleeper]

This makes for a good b*tchfest though....:wink:

 

[Machjo]

This makes for a good b*tchfest though....:wink:

Not just any bitchfest. A money-saving one

 

[bill barilko]

 

[Queb]

Ça commence à ressembler au type de commentaire auquel je m'attendais.

 

[DaSleeper]

Demandez et vous recevrez

 

[Machjo]

Ça commence à ressembler au type de commentaire auquel je m'attendais.

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Ça commence à être intéressant sur CE forum-là. Plutôt favourable et on commence déjà à discutter la question du ROC francophone (Labrador, Sud-est de l'Ontario). Il se peut que j'avais tort. On serait peut-être ouvert à un tel réalignement des frontières.

The poll still shows a majority in favour though.

Eh que le monde est compliqué. Les francophones ne sont pas forcément francophiles et les non-francophones ne sont pas forcément francophobes. Bienvenue à la terre méli mélo du ROC.

 

[Johnnny]

To be honest if the French want to support the notion of them loosing a monopoly (Government Jobs one example) over the rest of Canada then they are stupider than the English who complain about not working in Government cause they don't want to learn French.

My opinion of the one convo you had in that thread...

 

[Machjo]

To be honest if the French want to support the notion of them loosing a monopoly (Government Jobs one example) over the rest of Canada then they are stupider than the English who complain about not working in Government cause they don't want to learn French.

My opinion of the one convo you had in that thread...

How so?

 

[Johnnny]

How so?

Dropping French in the rest of Canada would not help the French Language in Canada. It would only force more people in Quebec to learn English if they want to do stuff outside of Quebec. It only increase the isolation.

 

[Machjo]

Dropping French in the rest of Canada would not help the French Language in Canada. It would only force more people in Quebec to learn English if they want to do stuff outside of Quebec. It only increase the isolation.

Perhaps. But let's not be selfish either. The resources saved could be redirected towards services in a sign language, better funding for the local indigenous language, etc.

Yes, it would hurt French, but it would hurt English too in Quebec. Deaf, indigenous, and other unofficial language communities would be the biggest winners since learning just one language would suffice to access jobs, etc.

 

[Queb]

Dropping French in the rest of Canada would not help the French Language in Canada. It would only force more people in Quebec to learn English if they want to do stuff outside of Quebec. It only increase the isolation.

We do about nothing with people in french in canada.

French is about death in canada

 

[darkbeaver]

I just got challenged on a French Québec forum and need your help.

I proposed that instead of a sovereignty referendum, Québec should have a referendum on official unilingualism in the Constitution and federal administration.

For example, it could propose that the English provisions of the Constitution and federal government administration, packaging and labelling, etc. would not apply to Québec.

I'd pointed out that one advantage would be money saved for the taxpayer. Another would be that Federal employment in Quebec could be more accessible to those who don't know English and so make it more accessible to indigenous and allophone Quebecers too.

Another would be that Québec would no longer be obligated to provide English language education. It would probably still do that but could limit it more to where numbers warrant it for example without any Constitutional obligation to do so.

Another would be that Quebecers could import products from other countries with or without English labelling and so expand consumer choice.

One forum member said he liked the idea but that English Canada would never agree to it.

I explained that English Canadians are just as tired of having French imposed on them as Quebecers are of having English imposed on them.

I'd given the example of an entrepreneur in BC who'd run into the problem of importing US products with no French labelling. He eventually had to quit importing it because it wasn't worth the expense of French translation in BC.

He was still unconvinced, believing that English Canadians would gladly impose French on themselves if that is what it took to impose English on Quebec.

He seems to believe English Canadians are that massochistic. I disagree.

So, who's right? Would you agree to drop English in Quebec and French in the ROC?

I'll post this thread in the other forum too.

I don't want to abandon my Canadian French connection let Quebec decide how they will remain Canadian. Canada cannot exist without free Quebec.

 

[eh1eh]

I said yes because it's almost that way now. If this came into law Quebec would go full retard French and a bunch more companies would move their head offices to Toronto.

 

[Machjo]

I said yes because it's almost that way now. If this came into law Quebec would go full retard French and a bunch more companies would move their head offices to Toronto.

My guess is Québec would calm down somewhat though many towns in Labrador and Eastern Ontario would want to join Québec. I'd say call a referendum in each town and why not let them join Quebec?

 

[Johnnny]

My guess is Québec would calm down somewhat though many towns in Labrador and Eastern Ontario would want to join Québec. I'd say call a referendum in each town and why not let them join Quebec?

Who said they get to join Quebec? Why just on a town basis, that's super silly. Then the reserves in Quebec and Montreal should be able to do the same. And the Quebec government won't let that happen because then mining in Quebec would be in English.

 

[darkbeaver]

I said yes because it's almost that way now. If this came into law Quebec would go full retard French and a bunch more companies would move their head offices to Toronto.

Chains saws, full employment, harvesting Quebec. Who cares where a basket of heads go. Trees french canadian trees is where Quebecs future izzz and the music and the Quebecers.

Canada is not a mess.

 

[taxslave]

So, you think that English Quebecers and French residents of other provinces are people not worthy of helping? Does that mean they could pay no taxes, since you want to deny them service?

IF they can't speak English they shouldn't be living in Canada anyway.
This whole bilingual multiculti crap is all pappa trudOWE's fault.

 

[Machjo]

Who said they get to join Quebec? Why just on a town basis, that's super silly. Then the reserves in Quebec and Montreal should be able to do the same. And the Quebec government won't let that happen because then mining in Quebec would be in English.

I totally agree. If we follow an official unilingualism policy on a provincial basis, we may need to redraw the borders to reflect language demographics at least along the borders.

I'm not sure how to deal with corridors though Luke some majority French communities in the prairies, but they usually all know English anyway.

Montreal's English suburbs would be an Island separate from Ontario.

For those kinds of cities, maybe allow the local government to be unilingual in the majority local language regardless of the provincial language.

IF they can't speak English they shouldn't be living in Canada anyway.
This whole bilingual multiculti crap is all pappa trudOWE's fault.

The majority of Quebecers can't speak English.