Your thoughts on official unilingualism?

Official Constitutional and federal unilingualism in each province and territory?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 56.3%
  • No.

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • Other answers.

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16

darkbeaver

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Jan 26, 2006
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IF they can't speak English they shouldn't be living in Canada anyway.
This whole bilingual multiculti crap is all pappa trudOWE's fault.

Do you speak English?
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
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English is a complete waste of money in most of Québec. For example, why require bilingual packaging anywhere in Quebec?

Waste of money. French suffices in most of the province.
 

JamesBondo

House Member
Mar 3, 2012
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I support multilingualism. ie English, French and every other language.

I have no doubt that any undeserved entitlements of the french would go under fire once we realize that we would have to provide the same service for every other language.
 

Machjo

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Oct 19, 2004
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I support multilingualism. ie English, French and every other language.

I have no doubt that any undeserved entitlements of the french would go under fire once we realize that we would have to provide the same service for every other language.

That's one paradixical advantage of official unilingualism. It alleviates the burden on members if unofficial language communities since then they need to learn only one official language to access Federal employment rather than two.

Also, if packaging and labeling laws require only one official language, this gives businesses greater access to non -English and non-French world markets.
 

Queb

Electoral Member
Jun 23, 2013
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I support multilingualism. ie English, French and every other language.

I have no doubt that any undeserved entitlements of the french would go under fire once we realize that we would have to provide the same service for every other language.
The ability to speak one, two or three foreign languages is never a bad thing for an individual.

But it's not question here.

We are talking about eliminating all the obligations and protections for linguistic minorities in the constitution. it is true for francophones in ROC and Anglophones in Quebec as well. So, that means that the English must assimilate, at more or less short term, to the Quebecers majority in Quebec.
 

Machjo

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Oct 19, 2004
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The ability to speak one, two or three foreign languages is never a bad thing for an individual.

But it's not question here.

We are talking about eliminating all the obligations and protections for linguistic minorities in the constitution. it is true for francophones in ROC and Anglophones in Quebec as well. So, that means that the English must assimilate, at more or less short term, to the Quebecers majority in Quebec.

Not necessarily. It just means that they can't count on government help anymore so must at least integrate. With personal effort without government help, they might still avoid assimilation.
Look at many Chinese Canadians. Many have avoided assimilation after three generations with little government help, just parental and personal effort.

French isn't a race you idiot.

You're not presenting a positive image of English Canadians through your rudeness either, are you.
 

taxslave

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The ability to speak one, two or three foreign languages is never a bad thing for an individual.

But it's not question here.

We are talking about eliminating all the obligations and protections for linguistic minorities in the constitution. it is true for francophones in ROC and Anglophones in Quebec as well. So, that means that the English must assimilate, at more or less short term, to the Quebecers majority in Quebec.

I agree that being able to speak multiple languages is a good thing but it should never have been forced on us and for the government to decide that French shall be that other language is just plain foolish.
 

Queb

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Jun 23, 2013
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French isn't a race you idiot.
"Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice.[2]"

You should try to educate yourself a bit more. It would help you in life instead of living with this racist hatred every day.

I agree that being able to speak multiple languages is a good thing but it should never have been forced on us and for the government to decide that French shall be that other language is just plain foolish.
Samething with english in Québec.

so, what we do ?
 

Machjo

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Oct 19, 2004
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so, what we do ?

8-5 for official unilingualism with one 'other.'

You see, I told you the English in the ROC would agree with it.

If Québec held a referendum to free Québec from all English requirements of the Constitution, most anglos in the ROC would not only applaud Québec's decision but would call for a parallel referendum in their own provinces and territories, probably Nunavut more so than any other.

I think Québec nationalists hold a very strong misconcenception about support for official bilingualism in the ROC, and people in the ROC hold the same misconception about Québec.

We end up with each side tolerating it because it falsely believes the other wants it. Ironic isn't it.
 

Queb

Electoral Member
Jun 23, 2013
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8-5 for official unilingualism with one 'other.'

You see, I told you the English in the ROC would agree with it.

If Québec held a referendum to free Québec from all English requirements of the Constitution, most anglos in the ROC would not only applaud Québec's decision but would call for a parallel referendum in their own provinces and territories, probably Nunavut more so than any other.

I think Québec nationalists hold a very strong misconcenception about support for official bilingualism in the ROC, and people in the ROC hold the same misconception about Québec.

We end up with each side tolerating it because it falsely believes the other wants it. Ironic isn't it.
I am not sure that he is agree that it should be the same in Québec for english.
 

DaSleeper

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May 27, 2007
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Knowing more than one language in Canada is certainly an asset....obsessing about one or the other isn't
Relying on a forum poll for justification???...:rolleyes:
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
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I am not sure that he is agree that it should be the same in Québec for english.

Then let's ask the question directly.

Taxslave, would you support Constitutional and federal official unilingualism in Québéc?

To be clear, that means no obligation on Federal Government administration to provide service in English. No obligation on Québec to provide education in English. No legal obligation for packaging and labelling in Quebec to include English. Etc.

Knowing more than one language in Canada is certainly an asset....obsessing about one or the other isn't
Relying on a forum poll for justification???...:rolleyes:

Yes. But people know languages.

Governments just hire people who do.

If the goal is to promote personal bilingualism, then official bilingualism could save money that could then be spent on second-language education. Official and personal are two separate things.
 

taxslave

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Nov 25, 2008
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Then let's ask the question directly.

Taxslave, would you support Constitutional and federal official unilingualism in Québéc?

To be clear, that means no obligation on Federal Government administration to provide service in English. No obligation on Québec to provide education in English. No legal obligation for packaging and labelling in Quebec to include English. Etc.



Yes. But people know languages.

Governments just hire people who do.

If the goal is to promote personal bilingualism, then official bilingualism could save money that could then be spent on second-language education. Official and personal are two separate things.

If the feds are to be uni-lingual it would have to be English. That is the working language of the country.If Quebec wants to remain part of the first world then the official language should be English as well. Or if they want to be a poor cousin they can have French as the official language but not use things like their language police to prevent anyone from learning or working in English as well as whatever their mother tongue may be.
If Quebec decides to become a French speaking socialist backwater then the can not dip into transfer payments.
 

Queb

Electoral Member
Jun 23, 2013
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It maybe bigoted, but it sure as hell isn't racist. Or are you saying quebecois are a separate race?
"Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice.[2]"

If the feds are to be uni-lingual it would have to be English. That is the working language of the country.If Quebec wants to remain part of the first world then the official language should be English as well. Or if they want to be a poor cousin they can have French as the official language but not use things like their language police to prevent anyone from learning or working in English as well as whatever their mother tongue may be.
If Quebec decides to become a French speaking socialist backwater then the can not dip into transfer payments.
:)

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