Global Warming: still the ‘Greatest Scam in History’

Cliffy

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My friend Riley had her house burn down and lost everything in Fort Mac a couple of days ago. Another friend Darren from our local firehall, is fighting structure fires there as I post this. My partner Denise just received her 10 year service medal for being a volunteer fire fighter in our local hall. In my life, climate change and wild fires are not just remote events that are dangerous for folks you don't know. Forest fires and their attendant dangers hit rather close to home for me, given my partner and many of our friends are fire fighters.
Things are changing. I have lived in a heavily treed forest for almost 40 years. There are some very large trees here. I have refused to log or clear larger areas because I have a special close relationship with all beings that live here, including the thousands of trees on this property. I have closely watched climate change in action. The river that runs through the middle of the property, which for decades had an abundance of water all year round, now has side channels that completely dry up for 2 or 3 months of the year. The river still has water running in it all year round in the main channel, but with much less volume. Insects that rarely troubled us in the past, have moved in and have killed pine, spruce, and birch trees. In the last 5 years I have noticed a few insect infested large Larch dying as well. It is obvious to me the environment has changed, and not for the better.
I will probably be dead and gone before the real **** hits the fan so I will likely get to live out my life with most of this incredibly beautiful ecosystem still intact. But unfortunately the kids and grand kids will not be so lucky.



Published on Jun 2, 2015
Fires are more frequent, larger and more devastating than ever. In Colorado, firefighters are repeatedly putting their lives on the line responding to record-breaking wildlfires. Human caused climate changes are transforming the state's fire environment, bringing higher temperatures, drier fuels and diseases to forests creating a volatile situation for fire fighters and communities. " On a day-to-day basis, we're being surprised," says Don Whittemore, a career Colorado firefighter. "And in this business, surprise is what kills people." The Story Group takes an inside look at what it's like to battle some of the biggest wildfires we have ever faced.
 

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My friend Riley had her house burn down and lost everything in Fort Mac a couple of days ago. Another friend Darren from our local firehall, is fighting structure fires there as I post this. My partner Denise just received her 10 year service medal for being a volunteer fire fighter in our local hall. In my life, climate change and wild fires are not just remote events that are dangerous for folks you don't know. Forest fires and their attendant dangers hit rather close to home for me, given my partner and many of our friends are fire fighters.
Things are changing. I have lived in a heavily treed forest for almost 40 years. There are some very large trees here. I have refused to log or clear larger areas because I have a special close relationship with all beings that live here, including the thousands of trees on this property. I have closely watched climate change in action. The river that runs through the middle of the property, which for decades had an abundance of water all year round, now has side channels that completely dry up for 2 or 3 months of the year. The river still has water running in it all year round in the main channel, but with much less volume. Insects that rarely troubled us in the past, have moved in and have killed pine, spruce, and birch trees. In the last 5 years I have noticed a few insect infested large Larch dying as well. It is obvious to me the environment has changed, and not for the better.
I will probably be dead and gone before the real **** hits the fan so I will likely get to live out my life with most of this incredibly beautiful ecosystem still intact. But unfortunately the kids and grand kids will not be so lucky.



Published on Jun 2, 2015
Fires are more frequent, larger and more devastating than ever. In Colorado, firefighters are repeatedly putting their lives on the line responding to record-breaking wildlfires. Human caused climate changes are transforming the state's fire environment, bringing higher temperatures, drier fuels and diseases to forests creating a volatile situation for fire fighters and communities. " On a day-to-day basis, we're being surprised," says Don Whittemore, a career Colorado firefighter. "And in this business, surprise is what kills people." The Story Group takes an inside look at what it's like to battle some of the biggest wildfires we have ever faced.

All because your "forest" is overmature and dying. AKA fire hazard.You are part of the problem, not the solution.
 

Walter

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Fires have always occurred and are no more frequent now than they ever were, it's just that we are more aware of them because more people have decided to live in forests.
 

JLM

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Fires have always occurred and are no more frequent now than they ever were, it's just that we are more aware of them because more people have decided to live in forests.
And not always such a bad thing! They clear up a lot of debris and dead sh*t and get the soil more accessible to oxygen which is mandatory for life.
 

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Like you putzes know more than those on the front line of fire fighting. Yup. Ignorance is bliss.

Exactly what do volunteer fire-fighters know about the mechanics of the theory of climate change?

I expect that the answer to this is founded entirely on the marketing initiatives of the eco-lobbies that have in turn founded their commentary on baseless assumptions, proven frauds and unfulfilled projections/models, etc.

Putz is certainly an apt description.. Another phrase that comes to mind is uninformed, cultish ideologues
 

Johnnny

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Don't be so niave rivers dry up all the time, and the water gets redistributed elsewhere... The Earth's surface is dynamic and if you think things stay the same indefinitely, well never mind.... Is your river a meandering type or braided type?
 

Cliffy

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Don't be so niave rivers dry up all the time, and the water gets redistributed elsewhere... The Earth's surface is dynamic and if you think things stay the same indefinitely, well never mind.... Is your river a meandering type or braided type?
Our river, the Columbia, is the most dammed (damned) river on the planet. It barely flows and is controlled by the Yanks. This used to be an inland rain forest but is drying up. We used to get 20 feet of snow with -20 C and now we hardly get any and the average temp in winter is about 0. This summer is shaping up to be a great fire season. The place is a tinder box.
 

Johnnny

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Our river, the Columbia, is the most dammed (damned) river on the planet. It barely flows and is controlled by the Yanks. This used to be an inland rain forest but is drying up. We used to get 20 feet of snow with -20 C and now we hardly get any and the average temp in winter is about 0. This summer is shaping up to be a great fire season. The place is a tinder box.

Dammed rivers do **** up ****, and in terms of the micro climates that alone is enough to change the local climate. I'm not a huge fan of dams myself because of the destruction wrought. In your example I'd say the dams are the reason not emissions from China.
 

petros

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Like you putzes know more than those on the front line of fire fighting. Yup. Ignorance is bliss.

You aren't on the front line either, is that why you are blissful?

Our river, the Columbia, is the most dammed (damned) river on the planet. It barely flows and is controlled by the Yanks. This used to be an inland rain forest but is drying up. We used to get 20 feet of snow with -20 C and now we hardly get any and the average temp in winter is about 0. This summer is shaping up to be a great fire season. The place is a tinder box.

What you call "your forest" is returning to its normal state after the coldest point in civilized man's history. Why does that upset you?
 

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Fires have always occurred and are no more frequent now than they ever were, it's just that we are more aware of them because more people have decided to live in forests.
An your basis for your opinion?? You might try a few facts.

People have always lived in forests, more so in the past than in the present. In the past we were few, now we are way over-populated and nature has a way of fixing things. First on that list would be reduction of the most pevalent species ..... like humans .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tern-wildfires-are-getting-worse-why-is-that/OA


Karma is just what goes around comes around. I would say humanity is reaping what it sowed. Get ready for a rough ride.
 
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JLM

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Our river, the Columbia, is the most dammed (damned) river on the planet. It barely flows and is controlled by the Yanks. This used to be an inland rain forest but is drying up. We used to get 20 feet of snow with -20 C and now we hardly get any and the average temp in winter is about 0. This summer is shaping up to be a great fire season. The place is a tinder box.


I tend to agree - the winters in Revelstoke now are nothing like the ones I remember when I worked there 50 years ago...................a little milder and more rain instead of snow!
 

Cliffy

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Dammed rivers do **** up ****, and in terms of the micro climates that alone is enough to change the local climate. I'm not a huge fan of dams myself because of the destruction wrought. In your example I'd say the dams are the reason not emissions from China.
...and clear cut logging. The terrain just can't hold the moisture it used to. But this is happening all over BC. Only the willfully ignorant think that human activity has nothing to do with climate change.

Cue a Walter Red.
 

Johnnny

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He does give greens though

...and clear cut logging. The terrain just can't hold the moisture it used to. But this is happening all over BC. Only the willfully ignorant think that human activity has nothing to do with climate change.

Cue a Walter Red.

in my opinion also, changing current work practices that fully commit to sustainable development would be a more logical choice as opposed to just some arbitrary tax on emmisions....
 

Cliffy

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