Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
You should probably follow the advise of that thread and get back on topic.
You should probably follow the advise of that thread and get back on topic.
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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
The advice wasn't directed at me.
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
Justin and Denis are making good on this.
Denis Coderre Suggests He Will Keep Open Mind On Energy East After Meeting With Trudeau
Justin and Denis are making good on this.
Denis Coderre Suggests He Will Keep Open Mind On Energy East After Meeting With Trudeau
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
silly me! I thought one of a PM's most important responsibilities would be leadership.
A leader listens to all sides of a controversy, then decides which side he believes has the better argument and then acts on it.
Trudeau seems obsessed with 'cheerleaders'. I wonder why that is?:roll:
He can denigrate Harper's ways all he wants but the truth is that Harper wasn't afraid to make decisions and act on them. Decisions won't always be right and waiting, waiting, waiting, for the 'right' decision is no decision at all. This is NOT leadership!
So Canadians would rather have somebody they can 'cheer' about rather than a leader; this is what they have brought the country to. Canada is at a standstill; no decisions made or likely to be made in the near future. In four years we will still be waiting for a decision on the critical issues that are destroying Canada.
In an attempt to smooth the waters, decisions are made about inconsequential issues like changing the words of the National Anthem (maybe!).
Then there's the voting system. It is not a critical issue; we have a voting system and change could wait until the serious matters are dealt with.
"No guts, no glory!" fits Trudeau and the Liberals.
Justin Trudeau says government won't act as pipeline projects 'cheerleader' as Tories did
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his job is to look out for Canada's best interests and not act as a "cheerleader" for various pipeline projects as the previous Conservative government did.
Trudeau spoke at a news conference following a meeting with Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre. The two discussed a broad range of issues, including the Energy East pipeline, in Montreal on Tuesday morning.
"My responsibility as prime minister is to make sure that on national projects, we're behaving in a way that both contributes to the economy, to a secure environment, to bringing people together and mostly to creating a better future."
Trudeau said his government would act differently than the last.
"For 10 years, we had a government that acted as a cheerleader for projects instead of acting as a responsible referee and establish a clear, open, rigorous and transparent approval process — and that's what we intend to do," Trudeau said in French during a news conference in Montreal.
Asked whether the federal government will require new supplementary climate tests for proposed pipelines, Trudeau said the Liberals would build on existing environmental impact assessments and ensure "that in the process going forward we take into account all greenhouse gas emissions including those upstream."
Justin Trudeau says government won't act as pipeline projects 'cheerleader' as Tories did - Politics - CBC News
silly me! I thought one of a PM's most important responsibilities would be leadership.
A leader listens to all sides of a controversy, then decides which side he believes has the better argument and then acts on it.
Trudeau seems obsessed with 'cheerleaders'. I wonder why that is?:roll:
He can denigrate Harper's ways all he wants but the truth is that Harper wasn't afraid to make decisions and act on them. Decisions won't always be right and waiting, waiting, waiting, for the 'right' decision is no decision at all. This is NOT leadership!
So Canadians would rather have somebody they can 'cheer' about rather than a leader; this is what they have brought the country to. Canada is at a standstill; no decisions made or likely to be made in the near future. In four years we will still be waiting for a decision on the critical issues that are destroying Canada.
In an attempt to smooth the waters, decisions are made about inconsequential issues like changing the words of the National Anthem (maybe!).
Then there's the voting system. It is not a critical issue; we have a voting system and change could wait until the serious matters are dealt with.
"No guts, no glory!" fits Trudeau and the Liberals.
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
Their stance was always to ensure that pipelines were built, but that required confidence in the environmental assessments which Harper didn't always get -- see Keystone XL
Their stance was always to ensure that pipelines were built, but that required confidence in the environmental assessments which Harper didn't always get -- see Keystone XL
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
I know there are folks out there who are opposed to the movement of oil by pipeline and worry about the environmental issues surrounding a pipeline, but consider this.
We are still using oil in all facets of our lives and that is not going to stop any time soon, unless we find an alternative energy that replace the oil. I work in the oil industry, I am not working in the patch, but I haul fuel and that connects me to this industry. Unless you ride a bike to work, have a computer made out of sea shells and hemp, live by candle light and don't watch TV or use the internet you are also a consumer of oil.
So, how do we minimize our carbon footprint?
First of all Canada buys 45% of its oil from foreign countries. From Ontario to Newfoundland imported oil is shipped across the ocean on tankers and through seaways, but that is only part of the issue. We are buying a lot of this oil from countries who commit horrible human rights abuses. Saudi Arabia still allows public stoning and beheading and we are buying oil from them.
Why?
Given the fact that we are the fifth biggest oil producer in the world, it is mind boggling that we would buy oil from a country like Saudi Arabia, then ship it across the ocean, up the coast and then through the Great Lakes. Are you aware that Tankers regularly enter Lake Ontario, hook up to a pipeline off shore then push that oil through a pipeline that sits on the floor of the lake until it reaches the refineries in Toronto?
Imagine the risk if a spill happens in the middle of Lake Ontario and think of the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. The Great Lakes are only now beginning to recover from the pollutants dumped there in the 70's.
But let's move away from tankers and talk about pipelines. First of all, the energy east pipeline is already built, they just want to send crude through it instead of natural gas. While the potential for a spill will always be there, the risk is far less to the environment than the alternative methods of shipping presently used.
On July 6, 2013 in Lac Megantic, Quebec a 74 car train crashed into the little town and exploded killing 47 people. The fire was unbelievable and the loss of life coupled with the environmental disaster still scars the community to this day. The disaster in Lac Megantic demonstrated the risk and effect of shipping crude or any other chemical by rail. The fact is that that when you ship this stuff over road or rail or even waterway the potential for disaster is greatly increased. While a pipeline disaster is a possibility, the volume of oil moved via pipeline is much safer, poses a smaller carbon footprint and lessens the risk to human and animal life. As a footnote, the railway responsible for this disaster, Montreal Maine, went Chapter 11 so they did not have to pay for the mess.
I know that people get up in arms about oil being a dirty business and that we need renewable energy and I agree, but until we find a suitable replacement we are going to continue to burn fossil fuels. So, with that in mind, why would would buy those fossil fuels from a foreign entity that is flooding the market with oil in order to secure its monopoly while committing horrible human rights abuses? Why would we risk our seaways and canals and lakes by bringing this stuff in via tanker.
The people of Toronto, Montreal are already risking the environment on a grander scale by buying oil from foreign companies. Even if you don't agree with the business of oil, certainly you would want to lessen the risk to the environment, to human life and not buy from someone who executes people in a public forum. Footnote, while most nations around the world accepted refugees from war torn Syria, Saudi Arabia did not.
Just some food for thought folks. If you think you aren't already at risk, you are quite wrong. In my opinion, a pipeline will minimize that risk and yes it will also mean jobs and money for Canada.
The benefit definitely outweighs the risk.
I know there are folks out there who are opposed to the movement of oil by pipeline and worry about the environmental issues surrounding a pipeline, but consider this.
We are still using oil in all facets of our lives and that is not going to stop any time soon, unless we find an alternative energy that replace the oil. I work in the oil industry, I am not working in the patch, but I haul fuel and that connects me to this industry. Unless you ride a bike to work, have a computer made out of sea shells and hemp, live by candle light and don't watch TV or use the internet you are also a consumer of oil.
So, how do we minimize our carbon footprint?
First of all Canada buys 45% of its oil from foreign countries. From Ontario to Newfoundland imported oil is shipped across the ocean on tankers and through seaways, but that is only part of the issue. We are buying a lot of this oil from countries who commit horrible human rights abuses. Saudi Arabia still allows public stoning and beheading and we are buying oil from them.
Why?
Given the fact that we are the fifth biggest oil producer in the world, it is mind boggling that we would buy oil from a country like Saudi Arabia, then ship it across the ocean, up the coast and then through the Great Lakes. Are you aware that Tankers regularly enter Lake Ontario, hook up to a pipeline off shore then push that oil through a pipeline that sits on the floor of the lake until it reaches the refineries in Toronto?
Imagine the risk if a spill happens in the middle of Lake Ontario and think of the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. The Great Lakes are only now beginning to recover from the pollutants dumped there in the 70's.
But let's move away from tankers and talk about pipelines. First of all, the energy east pipeline is already built, they just want to send crude through it instead of natural gas. While the potential for a spill will always be there, the risk is far less to the environment than the alternative methods of shipping presently used.
On July 6, 2013 in Lac Megantic, Quebec a 74 car train crashed into the little town and exploded killing 47 people. The fire was unbelievable and the loss of life coupled with the environmental disaster still scars the community to this day. The disaster in Lac Megantic demonstrated the risk and effect of shipping crude or any other chemical by rail. The fact is that that when you ship this stuff over road or rail or even waterway the potential for disaster is greatly increased. While a pipeline disaster is a possibility, the volume of oil moved via pipeline is much safer, poses a smaller carbon footprint and lessens the risk to human and animal life. As a footnote, the railway responsible for this disaster, Montreal Maine, went Chapter 11 so they did not have to pay for the mess.
I know that people get up in arms about oil being a dirty business and that we need renewable energy and I agree, but until we find a suitable replacement we are going to continue to burn fossil fuels. So, with that in mind, why would would buy those fossil fuels from a foreign entity that is flooding the market with oil in order to secure its monopoly while committing horrible human rights abuses? Why would we risk our seaways and canals and lakes by bringing this stuff in via tanker.
The people of Toronto, Montreal are already risking the environment on a grander scale by buying oil from foreign companies. Even if you don't agree with the business of oil, certainly you would want to lessen the risk to the environment, to human life and not buy from someone who executes people in a public forum. Footnote, while most nations around the world accepted refugees from war torn Syria, Saudi Arabia did not.
Just some food for thought folks. If you think you aren't already at risk, you are quite wrong. In my opinion, a pipeline will minimize that risk and yes it will also mean jobs and money for Canada.
The benefit definitely outweighs the risk.
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
There is simply no excuse for pipeline companies to avoid the rules.
New Canada Pipeline Rules to Include Upstream Emissions Impact | BOE Report
There is simply no excuse for pipeline companies to avoid the rules.
New Canada Pipeline Rules to Include Upstream Emissions Impact | BOE Report
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
I wonder if Justin will make media publish fact about pipelines rather than hyperbole which is oft confused by the not very bright as truth?
I wonder if Justin will make media publish fact about pipelines rather than hyperbole which is oft confused by the not very bright as truth?
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
I hate quoting myself, but..
Strangely no one from the CC environmental movement wants to address this post.
I hate quoting myself, but..
Strangely no one from the CC environmental movement wants to address this post.
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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
I've asked mentafloss repeatedly "what have you personally done to decrease your footprint."
After several years of asking I still haven't gotten a reply.
I've asked mentafloss repeatedly "what have you personally done to decrease your footprint."
After several years of asking I still haven't gotten a reply.
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
Do you really think you can expect the poor guy to wear smaller shoes?
Further proof that Cannucklehead needs to do more studying on the difference between a statement and a question!
Do you really think you can expect the poor guy to wear smaller shoes?
Further proof that Cannucklehead needs to do more studying on the difference between a statement and a question!
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
Mr Lowselfesteem still giving you reds?
Mr Lowselfesteem still giving you reds?
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
I've addressed your posts, why won't you address mine?
I've addressed your posts, why won't you address mine?
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
Yes, he's being very entertaining today- goofier than anything the Three Stooges ever did!
Cannuck is being a very silly boy today, not to mention very hypocritical as indicated by his post a couple of days ago.
"He's been having a tantrum. I think I've had over a hundred reds in the last half hour. I think he believes the rep system means as much to me as it does to him"
I would say there is ample proof it means more to him. I did it for half an hour, he does it 24/7/365!
Yes, he's being very entertaining today- goofier than anything the Three Stooges ever did!
Cannuck is being a very silly boy today, not to mention very hypocritical as indicated by his post a couple of days ago.
"He's been having a tantrum. I think I've had over a hundred reds in the last half hour. I think he believes the rep system means as much to me as it does to him"
I would say there is ample proof it means more to him. I did it for half an hour, he does it 24/7/365!
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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
I've issued a challenge to Flossy that if he would post his car fuel consumption for one year I would post mine.
I have screen captures of the gas mileage app on my IPhone, ready to post, but he never picked up on it...
And it's not just local driving......I go to T.O. twice a year
I've issued a challenge to Flossy that if he would post his car fuel consumption for one year I would post mine.
I have screen captures of the gas mileage app on my IPhone, ready to post, but he never picked up on it...
And it's not just local driving......I go to T.O. twice a year
Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories
Why would a person who lives in a beautiful part of the country go to T.O. AT ALL? Ottawa would be much the lesser of two evils, non? and more convenient, non?
Why would a person who lives in a beautiful part of the country go to T.O. AT ALL? Ottawa would be much the lesser of two evils, non? and more convenient, non?
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Oh, OK, you do have some excuse- if it was me I'd probably get her to meet me in Bracebridge.............. much safer!
Oh, OK, you do have some excuse- if it was me I'd probably get her to meet me in Bracebridge.............. much safer!
