The Official Contempt for Alberta Thread

damngrumpy

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Those opposed to pipelines point to a single incident and cry we don't want this
Those opposed to rail or truck point a single incident and cry we don't want this.
No wonder nothing gets done there is only one sentence with a blank space to
add a personal view.
What we really need is open discussion with some compromise and that is not
likely for a while yet. There are many who are not pro pipeline nor pro tree hugger
and we sit in the middle waiting for a rational discussion that never happens.
It is time to close the book of rhetoric and have a rational discussion
 

DaSleeper

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Oh, OK, you do have some excuse- if it was me I'd probably get her to meet me in Bracebridge.............. much safer! :) :)

The section where she lives and works, is quite nice and safe....
No need to hide under the coffee table :wink:
Just need to be prepared....
 

JLM

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Those opposed to pipelines point to a single incident and cry we don't want this
Those opposed to rail or truck point a single incident and cry we don't want this.
No wonder nothing gets done there is only one sentence with a blank space to
add a personal view.
What we really need is open discussion with some compromise and that is not
likely for a while yet. There are many who are not pro pipeline nor pro tree hugger
and we sit in the middle waiting for a rational discussion that never happens.
It is time to close the book of rhetoric and have a rational discussion


It's certainly sad when supposedly sensible people don't realize there is a risk in every single thing we do in life..........(you can even die of a heart attack while lying in bed)
N.B. watch for a silly "red"

The section where she lives and works, is quite nice and safe....
No need to hide under the coffee table :wink:
Just need to be prepared....


O.K. I'll quit worrying about you!
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Mar 19, 2006
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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Those opposed to pipelines point to a single incident and cry we don't want this
Those opposed to rail or truck point a single incident and cry we don't want this.
No wonder nothing gets done there is only one sentence with a blank space to
add a personal view.
What we really need is open discussion with some compromise and that is not
likely for a while yet. There are many who are not pro pipeline nor pro tree hugger
and we sit in the middle waiting for a rational discussion that never happens.
It is time to close the book of rhetoric and have a rational discussion

I guess you haven't read my post.
 

JamesBondo

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Those opposed to pipelines point to a single incident and cry we don't want this
Those opposed to rail or truck point a single incident and cry we don't want this.
No wonder nothing gets done there is only one sentence with a blank space to
add a personal view.
What we really need is open discussion with some compromise and that is not
likely for a while yet. There are many who are not pro pipeline nor pro tree hugger
and we sit in the middle waiting for a rational discussion that never happens.
It is time to close the book of rhetoric and have a rational discussion

The emotionally charged often feel a sense of urgency to rush towards a solution before a rational discussion happens. They fear that if we stop to ask ourselves what we are doing, that they won't get their way.
 

Ron in Regina

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Justin Trudeau says government won't act as pipeline projects 'cheerleader' as Tories did

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau​ says his job is to look out for Canada's best interests and not act as a "cheerleader" for various pipeline projects as the previous Conservative government did....

But....but what if these things (being a "cheerleader" for various
pipeline projects as the previous Conservative government did
)
IS looking out for Canada's best interests???

Justin Trudeau says government won't act as pipeline projects
'cheerleader' as Tories did.....so it doesn't seem to matter if it
is looking out for Canada's best interests or not....His party isn't
going to do it.

Does anybody else see just in the first couple of sentences of
the opening post, that a decision is already made regardless of
whether or not it's in Canada's best interests? This is like Def &
an Avro Arrow moment. It just floors me, and to think people
voted for this clown.
 

pgs

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

I know there are folks out there who are opposed to the movement of oil by pipeline and worry about the environmental issues surrounding a pipeline, but consider this.
We are still using oil in all facets of our lives and that is not going to stop any time soon, unless we find an alternative energy that replace the oil. I work in the oil industry, I am not working in the patch, but I haul fuel and that connects me to this industry. Unless you ride a bike to work, have a computer made out of sea shells and hemp, live by candle light and don't watch TV or use the internet you are also a consumer of oil.

So, how do we minimize our carbon footprint?

First of all Canada buys 45% of its oil from foreign countries. From Ontario to Newfoundland imported oil is shipped across the ocean on tankers and through seaways, but that is only part of the issue. We are buying a lot of this oil from countries who commit horrible human rights abuses. Saudi Arabia still allows public stoning and beheading and we are buying oil from them.

Why?

Given the fact that we are the fifth biggest oil producer in the world, it is mind boggling that we would buy oil from a country like Saudi Arabia, then ship it across the ocean, up the coast and then through the Great Lakes. Are you aware that Tankers regularly enter Lake Ontario, hook up to a pipeline off shore then push that oil through a pipeline that sits on the floor of the lake until it reaches the refineries in Toronto?

Imagine the risk if a spill happens in the middle of Lake Ontario and think of the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. The Great Lakes are only now beginning to recover from the pollutants dumped there in the 70's.

But let's move away from tankers and talk about pipelines. First of all, the energy east pipeline is already built, they just want to send crude through it instead of natural gas. While the potential for a spill will always be there, the risk is far less to the environment than the alternative methods of shipping presently used.

On July 6, 2013 in Lac Megantic, Quebec a 74 car train crashed into the little town and exploded killing 47 people. The fire was unbelievable and the loss of life coupled with the environmental disaster still scars the community to this day. The disaster in Lac Megantic demonstrated the risk and effect of shipping crude or any other chemical by rail. The fact is that that when you ship this stuff over road or rail or even waterway the potential for disaster is greatly increased. While a pipeline disaster is a possibility, the volume of oil moved via pipeline is much safer, poses a smaller carbon footprint and lessens the risk to human and animal life. As a footnote, the railway responsible for this disaster, Montreal Maine, went Chapter 11 so they did not have to pay for the mess.

I know that people get up in arms about oil being a dirty business and that we need renewable energy and I agree, but until we find a suitable replacement we are going to continue to burn fossil fuels. So, with that in mind, why would would buy those fossil fuels from a foreign entity that is flooding the market with oil in order to secure its monopoly while committing horrible human rights abuses? Why would we risk our seaways and canals and lakes by bringing this stuff in via tanker.

The people of Toronto, Montreal are already risking the environment on a grander scale by buying oil from foreign companies. Even if you don't agree with the business of oil, certainly you would want to lessen the risk to the environment, to human life and not buy from someone who executes people in a public forum. Footnote, while most nations around the world accepted refugees from war torn Syria, Saudi Arabia did not.

Just some food for thought folks. If you think you aren't already at risk, you are quite wrong. In my opinion, a pipeline will minimize that risk and yes it will also mean jobs and money for Canada.

The benefit definitely outweighs the risk.
Do you really expect common sense when politics are involved ?
 

Curious Cdn

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

They had better have some export strategies in place for everything including oil if he expects the sort of revenues to flood in that are required to pay for all the goodies that the Liberals have dreamed up over the last decade. You won't be able to do it by printing more money like Dad did.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Do you really expect common sense when politics are involved ?

I'm thinking we should have voted for Rick Mercer.

But....but what if these things (being a "cheerleader" for various
pipeline projects as the previous Conservative government did
)
IS looking out for Canada's best interests???

Justin Trudeau says government won't act as pipeline projects
'cheerleader' as Tories did.....so it doesn't seem to matter if it
is looking out for Canada's best interests or not....His party isn't
going to do it.

Does anybody else see just in the first couple of sentences of
the opening post, that a decision is already made regardless of
whether or not it's in Canada's best interests? This is like Def &
an Avro Arrow moment. It just floors me, and to think people
voted for this clown.

And gave him a majority to boot.
Man, I can't believe Canadians rolled the dice without a minority.
This would be the time a confidence vote would likely topple this airhead.
 

Ron in Regina

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Apr 9, 2008
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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

From Getting real about the need to transport oil | MOORE | Columnists | Opinion | To
& written by Dr. Patrick Moore

A recent report issued by the Fraser Institute makes it clear
that transporting oil by pipelines is far safer than by railcars.

One need look no further than the tragic deaths and destruction
in Lac-Mégantic, Quebec and the fiery derailment of a train
carrying three million gallons of crude in West Virginia earlier
this year.

Yet irrational public opposition and timid politicians are
preventing the construction of vital pipeline infrastructure
across the North American continent while oil transport
by rail skyrockets.

Now we have the David Suzuki Foundation calling for an
end to the transport of oil altogether, because “there is no
safe way to transport it”. Of course the logical extension
of this is that there is no safe way to transport people,
therefore all transport of people should be banned.

But there is no sense in looking for logic as anti-pipeline

activists and special interests in rail transport conspire

to derail Canada’s national energy policy.


Even the obviously intelligent Energy East pipeline

proposal, which would replace Saudi, Venezuelan,

and European oil with Canadian oil, delivering billions

in reduced cost, is fiercely opposed in Quebec and

Ontario.


In British Columbia, the anti-oil campaign conveniently

ignores the fact that the province imports nearly $3 billion

worth of refined oil in pipelines annually, most of it from

Alberta, to keep the wheels turning. Then there is the

undeniable fact that civilization as we know it would

come to a screeching halt if the more than one billion

cars, motorbikes, trucks, buses, and planes ran out

of fuel tomorrow.


I have a proposal to separate the wheat from the chafe

in this bizarre conversation. Let’s do the project in

Quebec and British Columbia, Francophone and

Anglophone, East and West.


Every person pulling up to a filling station with a

motorized vehicle will be asked if they support the

transport of fuel from wells and refineries to the

filling station.


If they answer in the affirmative they will be provided

with fuel. If they answer in the negative they will be

refused service. This will help to “reduce the amount

of oil being transported”, as demanded by the David

Suzuki Foundation last week.


It is only fair that the people who oppose oil transport

should be the first to stop using it. And this strategy

would certainly flush out the hypocrites who continue

to use oil while claiming to oppose it.


After three months there would be a public release of

the numbers of people who answered yes versus no.

It can be predicted with fair certainty that this is where

a real 97% consensus would be revealed for all to see,

unlike the fabricated claim that 97% of climate scientists

believe in catastrophic, human-caused climate change.


- A co-founder and former leader of Greenpeace,

Dr. Patrick Moore is now Chair for Ecology, Energy,

and Prosperity with the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.
 

petros

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Nov 21, 2008
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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

In construction. Construction id dumb?

Who lost jobs? Construction workers from all over Canada and the world.

As for oil, they are still upping production everyday that goes by.

Production is not in decline. You are tilting at whirlygigs.
 

petros

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Good cop, bad cop.

Yeah, you proved you'll buy into pseudoscrutiny by posting the other thread. The goal is the same the oil will flow to the shores.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Good cop, bad cop.

Yeah, you proved you'll buy into pseudoscrutiny by posting the other thread. The goal is the same the oil will flow to the shores.

And of course he just ignores the posts he can't possibly give a reasonable argument too.
 

petros

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Nov 21, 2008
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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

He has some bizarre notion the mining has stopped at the sands and wells capped in AB, SK and MB conventional fields.

I'd hate to break his heart and let him know that not only are holes still being sunk in conventional but wells today have the diameter to equal 10 wells that were drilled in the past. Not to mention the phony baloney "green" CO2 capture schemes to pipe CO2 into old fields to use it as a solvent after dropping more pipe and fracking f-ck out of them doubling even tripling production all while leaving none behind.
 

Bar Sinister

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Jan 17, 2010
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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

Why the hell not? They are continuously being built around here. The Edmonton area has thousands of kilometers of pipelines.
 

Angstrom

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

I know there are folks out there who are opposed to the movement of oil by pipeline and worry about the environmental issues surrounding a pipeline, but consider this.
We are still using oil in all facets of our lives and that is not going to stop any time soon, unless we find an alternative energy that replace the oil. I work in the oil industry, I am not working in the patch, but I haul fuel and that connects me to this industry. Unless you ride a bike to work, have a computer made out of sea shells and hemp, live by candle light and don't watch TV or use the internet you are also a consumer of oil.

So, how do we minimize our carbon footprint?

First of all Canada buys 45% of its oil from foreign countries. From Ontario to Newfoundland imported oil is shipped across the ocean on tankers and through seaways, but that is only part of the issue. We are buying a lot of this oil from countries who commit horrible human rights abuses. Saudi Arabia still allows public stoning and beheading and we are buying oil from them.

Why?

Given the fact that we are the fifth biggest oil producer in the world, it is mind boggling that we would buy oil from a country like Saudi Arabia, then ship it across the ocean, up the coast and then through the Great Lakes. Are you aware that Tankers regularly enter Lake Ontario, hook up to a pipeline off shore then push that oil through a pipeline that sits on the floor of the lake until it reaches the refineries in Toronto?

Imagine the risk if a spill happens in the middle of Lake Ontario and think of the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. The Great Lakes are only now beginning to recover from the pollutants dumped there in the 70's.

But let's move away from tankers and talk about pipelines. First of all, the energy east pipeline is already built, they just want to send crude through it instead of natural gas. While the potential for a spill will always be there, the risk is far less to the environment than the alternative methods of shipping presently used.

On July 6, 2013 in Lac Megantic, Quebec a 74 car train crashed into the little town and exploded killing 47 people. The fire was unbelievable and the loss of life coupled with the environmental disaster still scars the community to this day. The disaster in Lac Megantic demonstrated the risk and effect of shipping crude or any other chemical by rail. The fact is that that when you ship this stuff over road or rail or even waterway the potential for disaster is greatly increased. While a pipeline disaster is a possibility, the volume of oil moved via pipeline is much safer, poses a smaller carbon footprint and lessens the risk to human and animal life. As a footnote, the railway responsible for this disaster, Montreal Maine, went Chapter 11 so they did not have to pay for the mess.

I know that people get up in arms about oil being a dirty business and that we need renewable energy and I agree, but until we find a suitable replacement we are going to continue to burn fossil fuels. So, with that in mind, why would would buy those fossil fuels from a foreign entity that is flooding the market with oil in order to secure its monopoly while committing horrible human rights abuses? Why would we risk our seaways and canals and lakes by bringing this stuff in via tanker.

The people of Toronto, Montreal are already risking the environment on a grander scale by buying oil from foreign companies. Even if you don't agree with the business of oil, certainly you would want to lessen the risk to the environment, to human life and not buy from someone who executes people in a public forum. Footnote, while most nations around the world accepted refugees from war torn Syria, Saudi Arabia did not.

Just some food for thought folks. If you think you aren't already at risk, you are quite wrong. In my opinion, a pipeline will minimize that risk and yes it will also mean jobs and money for Canada.

The benefit definitely outweighs the risk.

The majority of Canadians who vote don't need a job. They are ether retired, disabled or on welfare. It's going to be rainbows and unicorns until that changes.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Good cop, bad cop.

Yeah, you proved you'll buy into pseudoscrutiny by posting the other thread. The goal is the same the oil will flow to the shores.

No one in their right mind has any confidence in this industry right now.