The Official Contempt for Alberta Thread

Nick Danger

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

No, simply physically impossible. There isn't anything to transition to. Plant cellulose and oil seed can't replace petroleum products for fuel and plastic.

As far as environmental concerns go, isn't the big priority to reduce the production of greenhouse gases? That would mean we have to curtail the burning of fossil fuels as opposed to their use as chemical components or lubricants as opposed to simply getting rid of them altogether.
 

MHz

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

Good, but ineffective on large scales. That's why you buy power.
Each building should be capable of supplying it's own energy needs. The overall structure can be very large and the transition lines are the only missing component and they are the weak link in the current supply and demand of 'essential utilities'. One local ice-storm could disrupt the power to millions for months.
 

Liberalman

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

No?

Why would we?

It's a defunct industry.


Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

The fate of new oil pipelines in Canada is in a sorry state.

The imperilled Northern Gateway project. The Obama-rejected Keystone XL venture. The protest-filled Trans Mountain expansion. And the suspect political support around the Energy East proposal.

With the oil market in a severe downturn and stiff opposition greeting every pipeline proposal, there is debate over whether this country will ever break ground on new export pipelines.

Even veterans of the oilpatch aren't certain of the answer.

"It's a legitimate question," said David Collyer, the former president of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP). "It's not out of the realm of possibility."

The merits of using pipelines are clear: they are the safest, most cost-effective and least carbon-intensive method of transporting oil. The risks are just as indisputable: spills are rare but can be catastrophic, causing significant damage to the environment, especially around bodies of water.

Alberta is craving a new avenue to export its oil, which would allow the province to receive global prices for its crude, rather than selling it at a discount.

Whether oil prices are above $100 US a barrel, as they were in 2014, or sitting at less $30 US a barrel, like now, every dollar less that the province receives, compared to market prices, makes a difference.

"We're stuck in the mud at the moment and we run the risk that we missed the window of opportunity," said Collyer.

Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another? - Business - CBC News

Alberta is where the oil is and the province is land locked and since provinces own their resources and not the federal government they are stuck. Now if they want to build new pipelines they have to share the wealth which they are not ready to do
 

captain morgan

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

As far as environmental concerns go, isn't the big priority to reduce the production of greenhouse gases? That would mean we have to curtail the burning of fossil fuels as opposed to their use as chemical components or lubricants as opposed to simply getting rid of them altogether.

Exactly how do you propose that the cultivation of food to feed +7 billion people without the assistance of big bad fossil fuel burning equipment?

Alberta is where the oil is and the province is land locked and since provinces own their resources and not the federal government they are stuck. Now if they want to build new pipelines they have to share the wealth which they are not ready to do

Due East to Churchill Mb and into Hudson's Bay and there's always South through Idaho, Montana or the Dakotas.
 

taxslave

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

According to the globull warming truthers we should be able to ship oil out of the port on the McKenzie delta since there is no more ice in the arctic.
 

petros

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

As far as environmental concerns go, isn't the big priority to reduce the production of greenhouse gases? That would mean we have to curtail the burning of fossil fuels as opposed to their use as chemical components or lubricants as opposed to simply getting rid of them altogether.
The CO2 angle is malarkey.

How do you figure on making heat for industry?
 

JLM

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Re: The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide

Do you mean "scrapping"?


Ooooooooooops we have a spelling Nazi in our midst! :) :)

Why do we make excuses for people like Harper and blame others for the
policies carried out by a variety of illusionists including Harper.
Harper screwed the middle class in this country he screwed vets and a
whole lot of others that were not big oil and resources and in the end the
people came together and screwed him. I am not totally happy with Justin
but he is a damn sight better than Harper ever was.


I think a lot of people might question that. For all his faults Harper pretty much knew what he was doing, Justin is stumbling in the dark and beginning to flip flop. Harper had financial restraints to adhere to. I'll check back in three month to see what you think! :)
 

Rick A

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Re: The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide

Harper made hay while the sun was shinning. To suggest that Harper neglected other opportunities is insane. Anyway lets see if Mr Dithers can now avoid causing a war between the east and the west.
 

JLM

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Re: The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide

I've lost a fair amount of money in the past couple of months, but it's all on paper, so it's no big deal as long as I don't need any of it. I think for the medium term we are going to have to struggle along while NOT depending on oil. Worrying is futile.
 

Rick A

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Re: The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide

I an sorry to hear that. I sold all my stocks about 8 months ago just before I retired. My money manager was furious with me because I challenged him on every aspect of his advice and it paid off. I used zerohedge.com as a reference. The articles come from both sides of the equation but the predictions were compelling and the rout isn't over according to them.
 

petros

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Re: The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide

I've lost a fair amount of money in the past couple of months, but it's all on paper, so it's no big deal as long as I don't need any of it. I think for the medium term we are going to have to struggle along while NOT depending on oil. Worrying is futile.

I've gained a buck twenty five per unit since June.
 

MHz

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Re: The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide

Let me know when it cost under $100 bucks to go from Alberta to to Texas, . . . in hi-test.

Of course he is. The sadness falls on buttfloss who posts on topics he is completely clueless on.
That is still a set higher on the ladder than posting on subjects that you are an expert on and the sole judge of that so far has been just yourself. Yourself especially not excepted.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

Alberta is where the oil is and the province is land locked and since provinces own their resources and not the federal government they are stuck. Now if they want to build new pipelines they have to share the wealth which they are not ready to do

Alberta shared every year mugwump. Or were the billions in transfer payments not enough?

Who do you think carried your asses through the last downturn in the economy?
 

Nick Danger

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

Methane is already one of the eeeevil hydrocarbons plunging Gaia into a global warming spiral.

.... In the end, your suggestion just isn't practical

Well you'd better let the 17,000,000+ vehicle owners worldwide who are already running on methane power know that, along with all the governments who are subsidizing the conversions away from gasoline and diesel. Still a fossil fuel fuel of course, but cleaner and cheaper.
 

mentalfloss

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Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories



Justin Trudeau says government won't act as pipeline projects 'cheerleader' as Tories did

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau​ says his job is to look out for Canada's best interests and not act as a "cheerleader" for various pipeline projects as the previous Conservative government did.

Trudeau spoke at a news conference following a meeting with Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre. The two discussed a broad range of issues, including the Energy East pipeline, in Montreal on Tuesday morning.

"My responsibility as prime minister is to make sure that on national projects, we're behaving in a way that both contributes to the economy, to a secure environment, to bringing people together and mostly to creating a better future."

Trudeau said his government would act differently than the last.

"For 10 years, we had a government that acted as a cheerleader for projects instead of acting as a responsible referee and establish a clear, open, rigorous and transparent approval process — and that's what we intend to do," Trudeau said in French during a news conference in Montreal.

Asked whether the federal government will require new supplementary climate tests for proposed pipelines, Trudeau said the Liberals would build on existing environmental impact assessments and ensure "that in the process going forward we take into account all greenhouse gas emissions including those upstream."

Justin Trudeau says government won't act as pipeline projects 'cheerleader' as Tories did - Politics - CBC News
 

Cannuck

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

Sounds to me that Trudeau is starting to wake up to reality.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: Justin Trudeau says government won't be 'pipeline cheerleaders' like Tories

This is the same rhetoric as during the ejection campaign.