I'm still thinking in imperial- 1200- 1400 square ft. is a reasonable sized family home in this day and age. When I was a kid 6 of us lived in 720 square feet. (For most of it the bathroom was in a separate bldg. about 4'X4') It was air conditioned.
10 Million Renovation Needed for 24 Sussex
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I'm still thinking in imperial- 1200- 1400 square ft. is a reasonable sized family home in this day and age. When I was a kid 6 of us lived in 720 square feet. (For most of it the bathroom was in a separate bldg. about 4'X4') It was air conditioned.
I've heard the closets are so big you get an echo if your are in there alone and tell something. Could be a rumor.
Add garage and safe room under cement floor of said garage. A room that is the internet connection that would include vr servers that shake you as part of the game. I would suggest an air bag that can be used singular (computer chair) or in 4's and the family sedan would take the whole family for the same ride.I'm still thinking in imperial- 1200- 1400 square ft. is a reasonable sized family home in this day and age. When I was a kid 6 of us lived in 720 square feet. (For most of it the bathroom was in a separate bldg. about 4'X4') It was air conditioned.
AC these days is found on the same property, country style water well holes are use with coils of liquid that gets cooled off in the summer and heats up in the winter so the dwelling only needs a small pump rather than burning anything extra. In Arizona I would use in-floor heating/cooling but also include the walls as being brought to the same temp. That style lets every room be at a specific temp while the one next it could be radically different. Passive solar for the places that are too cold most of the time but the rest is basically the same.
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Yet the tax payers are on the hook for his home renovations..
Justin has said squat about 24 Sussex. I listened to an hour long interview with Maureen McTeer about it and she says that it is a pile of junk that should be knocked and rebuilt properly ( the cheaper option, by far apparently).
Unfortunately, the Canadian taxpayers is going to be saddled with piecemeal renovation of that leaky, rotten heap with little historic value (goes all the easy back to Louis St Laurent) because the "gotcha" crowd will always try to make it personal and make it sound like an Imperial Edict to
fancy up a palace.
I'm sure that the Harper's thought so as well but they put up with it and said nothing because of the exact reaction seen in this thread. Trudeau has said nought, as well but his mother opened up about the state of the place. She did live there herself.
It is not a presidential palace. It is a substantial old home that was totally gutted in the 50's and the old interior was replaced with cheap drywall and mouldings. There have been bits and pieces tacked on, like a swimming pool and they were badly done, tack-on renos. All of this shouldn't matter to us hard pressed taxpayers except it is leaky, rotten and falling down and we own it. The repair bill is literally twice the price of new construction and all that you have at the end is a half-assed pile of junk that doesn't leak anymore.
Here's the real kicker in my mind. Our PMs (all of them, not just Justin) entertain the visiting leadership from all around the world in this dump. Perhaps it is appropriate that we present ourselves to the world as cheap, shoddy and second class. If it is too politically dangerous for a PM to replace it, that is precisely what we are.
Before your dump the "Lib" bullsh1t on me, I didn't vote Liberal. I just find the steady stream of stupid that is posted in threads like this to be really irritating. Have a lillte class, people. Canada is capable of putting a foot forward that doesn't look like a rotten sneaker.
This is NOT about partisan politics. Go find a subject that is and stop trying to block what needs to be done for a cheap gotcha".
Unfortunately, the Canadian taxpayers is going to be saddled with piecemeal renovation of that leaky, rotten heap with little historic value (goes all the easy back to Louis St Laurent) because the "gotcha" crowd will always try to make it personal and make it sound like an Imperial Edict to
fancy up a palace.
I'm sure that the Harper's thought so as well but they put up with it and said nothing because of the exact reaction seen in this thread. Trudeau has said nought, as well but his mother opened up about the state of the place. She did live there herself.
It is not a presidential palace. It is a substantial old home that was totally gutted in the 50's and the old interior was replaced with cheap drywall and mouldings. There have been bits and pieces tacked on, like a swimming pool and they were badly done, tack-on renos. All of this shouldn't matter to us hard pressed taxpayers except it is leaky, rotten and falling down and we own it. The repair bill is literally twice the price of new construction and all that you have at the end is a half-assed pile of junk that doesn't leak anymore.
Here's the real kicker in my mind. Our PMs (all of them, not just Justin) entertain the visiting leadership from all around the world in this dump. Perhaps it is appropriate that we present ourselves to the world as cheap, shoddy and second class. If it is too politically dangerous for a PM to replace it, that is precisely what we are.
Before your dump the "Lib" bullsh1t on me, I didn't vote Liberal. I just find the steady stream of stupid that is posted in threads like this to be really irritating. Have a lillte class, people. Canada is capable of putting a foot forward that doesn't look like a rotten sneaker.
This is NOT about partisan politics. Go find a subject that is and stop trying to block what needs to be done for a cheap gotcha".
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it is not 'his' responsibility, he should be moving into a very uptodate residence, it is a Canadian
responsibility, and we should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing it to deteriorate in such a way.
either tear it down or fix it, one or the other, but don't be whining about doing it, it shouldn't
need fixing in such a big way, should be maintained all along and stay in good shape.
responsibility, and we should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing it to deteriorate in such a way.
either tear it down or fix it, one or the other, but don't be whining about doing it, it shouldn't
need fixing in such a big way, should be maintained all along and stay in good shape.
It tells the world what kind of a nation we are. It should be (and is not) one of our great public buildings. This is not about Justin, at all.
Yup, $10 million. I know the idea of a ten million reno to a truck driver is virtually unfathomable. Trust the experts though.
It's half the price to build a new one.
Imagine, if you had to re-build an entire truck from parts purchased and replaced one at a time. It would be far cheaper to buy a new truck. Unfortunately, the structure of Public Works authorities usually forces them to to it the more expensive way as they are allowed to buy the parts but not the finished products (different budget for that)
That is almost certainly what is going to happen at 24 Sussex. Money will be found to fix it up from maintenance budgets, quietly, expensively, a bit at a time because of the optics of building a new one,"JUSTIN BUILDS PALACE FOR HIMSELF", will make impossible to get approval for a capital expenditure. The taxpayers will be hoisted by their own petards. This will almost certainly happen.
Imagine, if you had to re-build an entire truck from parts purchased and replaced one at a time. It would be far cheaper to buy a new truck. Unfortunately, the structure of Public Works authorities usually forces them to to it the more expensive way as they are allowed to buy the parts but not the finished products (different budget for that)
That is almost certainly what is going to happen at 24 Sussex. Money will be found to fix it up from maintenance budgets, quietly, expensively, a bit at a time because of the optics of building a new one,"JUSTIN BUILDS PALACE FOR HIMSELF", will make impossible to get approval for a capital expenditure. The taxpayers will be hoisted by their own petards. This will almost certainly happen.
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Self-projecting again Cannuck..
I wouldn't bother renovating... I would just build new, and a lot more than a $10 million dollar projected valuation.
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You should let somebody know. I'm sure the people that have been dealing with this issue would be interested in the opinions of a truck driver
I think 24 Sussex should be kept and renovated. It is an important part of history, a 'Heritage Home'.
If the place is structurally sound it would be cheaper to gut it and renovate.
I have renovated a few old homes in my lifetime and I know it is always easier to replace everything interior than to knock down and start over with a new structure.
Labour is the biggest cost. When the interior is gutted workmen can work a lot faster if coordinated; framing, roofing, insulation, wiring, plumbing, heating/AC, windows, drywall, flooring and decorating. Voila! Shouldn't cost $10 million!
The problem is prices are always jacked up when it's a government job. The workmen don't seem to understand that they are helping to pay for it through their taxes too and would benefit from keeping their prices honest.
If the place is structurally sound it would be cheaper to gut it and renovate.
I have renovated a few old homes in my lifetime and I know it is always easier to replace everything interior than to knock down and start over with a new structure.
Labour is the biggest cost. When the interior is gutted workmen can work a lot faster if coordinated; framing, roofing, insulation, wiring, plumbing, heating/AC, windows, drywall, flooring and decorating. Voila! Shouldn't cost $10 million!
The problem is prices are always jacked up when it's a government job. The workmen don't seem to understand that they are helping to pay for it through their taxes too and would benefit from keeping their prices honest.
Obviously you never worked on a government contract. It is the bureaucraps in charge that needlessly jack up the price with a constant stream of change orders and poor planning. And that is after needless jacking up of the bid price with contract language. You would have to see one to believe it.
It's an important part of our heritage that goes all the way back to 1950 when the NCC bought it.
It has housed: Louis St. Laurent, Diefenbaker, Pearson, Trudeau, Clark, Mulroney, Chretien, Harper. I'm not sure if Kim Campbell, Turner or Martin were around long enough to live there.
Anyway. Big deal. It has been the official residence for a third of Confederation. It is so-so in the "historic" department and all of the old building grace was ripped out of the place when Canada bought it. It IS NOT some grand old palace that goes back to Sir John A..
The quotes are already in ...multiple ones by every PM that has moved into the heap and IT IS NOT cheaper to gut it and renovate because it has all sorts of basic structural issues. It is not a good building nor an important one. We should have one that can become one. The problem lies in the past when they were too cheap to build a proper leader's residence,in the first place.
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You assume I'm a Truck Driver.. interesting.. Yes I drove Tractor Trailer in the past..
It's Trudeau's mommy running the show, guess you have to go through her first.