Was Eve created from the rib of Adam
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Me too. Have you seen the short video that explains the importance of wonder and awe to the human animal? amazing. In case you haven't and are interested:
Does 'man' mean a man and his wife? Assuming Adam and Eve are both alive for the 1,000 year period are they married any longer?
M't:22:30:
For in the resurrection they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.
The 'consequences' of that is it is a static population that is 'the flock' during that period of time and the only 'perfected people' people are the 24 elders. They are the OT Prophets that were resurrected on the same day Jesus was and they are the 24 elders in the temple from Re:4. That temple is the same one Daniel would have had his prayers heard in and it came into effect in 70AD (Luke:21:4) when the temple in Jerusalem is dismantled. I tend to think the 24 are from before the flood and the 12 oldest men are there as are their wives. In the 2,000 years they have been there there have been no children born to them but on earth they had many children so they are taking on the role that 'grandparents' take on and they are educating their children on how to raise a child. They have almost 1,000 years each to 'observe' how raising children and what can go wrong when you are the least important people alive. I would imagine their children that are not named all died at the age of 120. (Isaiah:65 has that age as when a person is given immortality, the perfect heart is already there when they take their first breath). That would be the 'pain God gave Eve as the price of her sin for believing a lie. Satan did correctly say that she (and Adam) would become like the 'sons of God' once she knew about good and evil. The lie was they they would not enter the grave as punishment, pain would be seeing most of her children enter the grave before she did, Adam had an unhappy wife and the price of being 'one flesh' is Adam would not leave her side no matter what, even if it meant dying. Their flock for the 1,000 years is all the ones referenced in Re:20:4 and that is basically the 12 Tribes going back Abraham's children, the Church are the Gentiles that were taught beginning 3 1/2 years after the cross (Acts:10) They are taught during that time so they have perfected hearts and can survive judgement of the 'sons of God' from Ge:6 when Satan and the remaining fallen angels are released and they come against Jerusalem as it would have looked if sin had never taken place. Able's offering is the one that is acceptable starting with 45 days from the day the 7th trump sounds. Zec:14 is how that takes place 1,000 times before the time Satan is released during the Feast of the Trumps.
This is the part of the Church that was promised they could gain immortality without going to the grave. The whole of the ones alive are referenced as 'servants' in Isiah:65 and the Jerusalem mentioned after those few verses is new Jerusalem after it lands on the new earth.
Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
Zec:14:16:
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec:14:17:
And it shall be,
that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
even upon them shall be no rain.
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I don't interest my self in any historicity of the story MHz . The moral of the story is much more interesting to me.
And there are several.
And there are several.
I like the parables also. In the one about the penny and the workers in the field who do you think the last workers are and when are they chosen to start work during the 'last hour' before a judgment? How about the first ones and their 'bitterness'?
I would be more inclined to explain who God is using the first and last three chapters of the bible. In the few pages it would take to explore all that it promotes it has the earth being as old as current science puts it. If the end of day 1 is what the earth experienced 4 billion years ago the the old earth model would promoted that events that started that resulted that happening would have been 40B years ago with the 'big-bang' still being 13B tears ago or some number that has the first explosion from the result of matter being compressed to the point the heat being created results in 'expansion at a high rate of speed'. The text in Ge:1 is using powers of 10 to tell 'us' about who God is and where we will eventually up when He is back in control.
That is literal using things that we find in reality every day. Put in a more realistic slant on the events in the book and it a pretty good read as long as you view it as a single author who uses 40 men as Scribes. We have the opportunity to study the text as closely as the original writers and we have the advantage that all the text is available instantly because of computers. That is out advantage, it also means we have to read a lot before the picture emerges and then we can add in the finer details.
The rest of the book is how Ge:3:15 is fulfilled when a bruise to the heel is the cross and the other bruise is when Christ puts Satan in the Pit for the 1,000 years.
I would be more inclined to explain who God is using the first and last three chapters of the bible. In the few pages it would take to explore all that it promotes it has the earth being as old as current science puts it. If the end of day 1 is what the earth experienced 4 billion years ago the the old earth model would promoted that events that started that resulted that happening would have been 40B years ago with the 'big-bang' still being 13B tears ago or some number that has the first explosion from the result of matter being compressed to the point the heat being created results in 'expansion at a high rate of speed'. The text in Ge:1 is using powers of 10 to tell 'us' about who God is and where we will eventually up when He is back in control.
That is literal using things that we find in reality every day. Put in a more realistic slant on the events in the book and it a pretty good read as long as you view it as a single author who uses 40 men as Scribes. We have the opportunity to study the text as closely as the original writers and we have the advantage that all the text is available instantly because of computers. That is out advantage, it also means we have to read a lot before the picture emerges and then we can add in the finer details.
The rest of the book is how Ge:3:15 is fulfilled when a bruise to the heel is the cross and the other bruise is when Christ puts Satan in the Pit for the 1,000 years.
're-emerged' if that is what was originally taught it would be the 'falling away from the truth' as mentioned as events that had to happen before the return could happen. The fall was when the RCC swapped the Greek and Hebrew texts for the Latin one.
The cross was either a literal event or it wasn't. To understand who the angels are in Revelations you have to be able to explain what Jude has to say about them. Supernatural is the term we would use when looking at their 'abilities', that will change when we get that same level of physical strength and long life. Having a sinless heart is something that starts out as a blank slate and over the 1,000 years the new information is gained so they can be Shepherds to the Flock that comes alive at the Great White Throne. The also get immortality in the period called the new earth. The Shepherds also learn how the universe works as that is what the new earth is, they are always 1 day ahead of the Flock.
Really?
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2332&t=KJV
The KJV translates Strongs H2332 in the following manner: Eve (2x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- Eve = "life" or "living"
- the first woman, wife of Adam
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
חַוָּה Chavvâh, khav-vaw'; causatively from H2331; life-giver; Chavvah (or Eve), the first woman:—Eve.
The KJV translates Strongs H6153 in the following manner: even (72x), evening (47x), night (4x), mingled (2x), people (2x), eventide (2x), eveningtide (with H6256) (2x), Arabia (1x), days (1x), even (with H996) (1x), evening (with H3117) (1x), evening (with H6256) (1x), eventide (with H6256) (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- evening, night, sunset
- evening, sunset
- night
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
עֶרֶב ʻereb, eh'-reb; from H6150; dusk:— day, even(-ing, tide), night.
Which is what is scary about the JW "heaven", IMO. They say that we will know everything about every little part of the universe, and even scarier, is they say THAT will be for eternity. I told them the last time, it sounded more like hell to me. lol
Maybe heaven is a state of mind, just like maybe hell is a state of mind. To me heaven might be a meal of green chili burritos and home made tamales, and a day spent on a river bank catching crappie. But then the next day, experiencing something altogether different.
Also, a pistachio almond ice cream cone from McAlpines Drug store that we use to get when we were kids would be heaven about now.
Also, a pistachio almond ice cream cone from McAlpines Drug store that we use to get when we were kids would be heaven about now.
meh The OT seems to be simply a series of books written in an attempt to describe history and human relationships with the outside world by a group of scientifically naive and superstitiously gullible people while the NT is a series of books written to show us how to be able to live with each other. Considering the age of the Bible, it was a fairly decent attempt performed by a scientifically primitive group of people.
And we may never know exactly what was meant in the writings contained in each of those books in the Bible because of the exegisis and hermeneutics and probably the eisegisis of the writings. THAT is why I do not pay much attention to what is written there. The motives and expected results of the NT are the important parts anyways.
And we may never know exactly what was meant in the writings contained in each of those books in the Bible because of the exegisis and hermeneutics and probably the eisegisis of the writings. THAT is why I do not pay much attention to what is written there. The motives and expected results of the NT are the important parts anyways.
Perhaps it is just what we personally make of it. Perhaps it simply is non-existent.
Yeah guess so. Hard to apply things to our circumstance that were meant for another's circumstances. I can appreciate some messages from some of the stories in the OT. There's very little I take literal. The NT is pretty limited for me . The words ascribed to the man called Jesus by Christians is the only thing that holds an interest for me these days.
The idea of heaven and whatever else being non-existent seems to bring terror to the minds of the faithful. Probably because they have invested so much of their lives believing it exists. The usual reply I get to the suggestion is, "Then life is meaningless". lol That is a erroneous assumption, in my opinion.
Personally I simply enjoy what I have and do not concern myself much with what is in the future beyond this life.
Personally I simply enjoy what I have and do not concern myself much with what is in the future beyond this life.
That's a good way to think I would say. There are many who don't have much of anything though and maybe hope is the only thing that they believe they can count on. Hard to apply your philosophy to a child in a cancer ward or a child rummaging through trash cans looking for a scrap or two to eat. Factual or non factual aside, hoping for something better is not always a bad thing.
woman being created from adam's rib is the most ridiculous thing I've heard on this subject of creation.
should be on Saturday morning cartoons, maybe the little children would believe such rubbish, but no,
nowadays, the children are much more intelligent and learned than anyone back in 'the' day of such
stories.
A life predicated on the belief of reward in an afterlife is a life not fully lived, IMHO.