Canada warming at twice the global rate

AnnaG

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see polar/Arctic amplification... see northern/Arctic warming due to changes in clouds, water vapor, surface albedo and atmospheric temperature... see energy transport, particularly increased winter warming as a result of energy in the atmosphere being transported to the north pole through large weather systems

Canadian Temperature Trends - 1948 to 2012
:roll: That does not explain why.
And why Canada and not Russia, Greenland, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, or Finland?
 

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:roll: That does not explain why.
And why Canada and not Russia, Greenland, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, or Finland?

sure it does... apparently you haven't the understanding to recognize so. Who said anything about those other countries, either way? It was Environment Canada scientists highlighting this factoid about... wait for it... Canada!
 

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"Canada's rate of warming is about twice the global rate" - from the OP.
The last time I looked at the map, the countries I mentioned were on the same planet as Canada.
"clouds, water vapor, surface albedo and atmospheric temperature"
And explain to me how surface albedo, atmospheric temperature, water vapor (which is what clouds are) and the like have not always changed.
Increased warming makes Canada warming faster than every other country. Warming causes warming but only in Canada, eh. Interesting.
And here I was thinking that GLOBAL warming was the topic.
 

DaSleeper

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perhaps direct your concerns to one of your fellow clubhouse crew... the guy has started 3 or 4 just in the last hour or so! Peace Out! :lol:
Before you came back all we had were anti- Harper threads...
Your return seem to have put new energy in Mentalfluff....he's going round and round like the EverReady overheated bunny..
It's sickeningly laughable....
 

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We were told we would have a warmer than usual winter. So far we're running about 4 below normal temps. Yes, we had a ton of fires last summer but since Fall began we've had a ton of rain too. Seems to me like it's kinda balancing itself out. Why are we always the bad guys? I had a Spanish student who said that there are large garbage bins on their streets that everyone dumps whatever into. Then every night, the bins are emptied. No re-cycling. He couldn't see why we had to go to so much trouble. What about China? Millions of people and cars and - again, they do not re-cycle. In the meantime, I now have 3 cans in my kitchen where once only one stood. 1 - re-cyclables 2 - Food waste, 3 - garbage. They pick up food waste once a week. The other two, every other week. Re-cycling is turned into numerous things, food waste into compost, then sold back to us for our gardens! Who knows what they do with what they refer to as garbage! We have less people, less vehicles than lots of other countries. Gov't has closed down most of our refineries (if not all) and while China still mines coal, everyone wants our mines closed. How are we the bad guys all the time?
 

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Warming causes warming but only in Canada, eh. Interesting.

no - not only in Canada... you were corrected on this once already. You're now doing it purposely... accordingly, why should anyone give you the time of day in your fake drive for basic fundamental learning?

and yes, an example of your stated, 'warming causing warming' is albedo... the amount of the sun’s energy that is reflected off the Earth’s surface and back into space, rather than absorbed. An ice surface reflects energy back into the atmosphere resulting in a cooler surface temperature... melting ice results in less reflection, less reflected energy and a corresponding temperature increase. The same parallel exists with snow... melting snow and impacts on permafrost.
 

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Well anyways, I will just take it for granted that scientists think EVERYTHING, not just Canada, north of 60 is warming faster than the rest of the planet.

no - not only in Canada... you were corrected on this once already. You're now doing it purposely... accordingly, why should anyone give you the time of day in your fake drive for basic fundamental learning?

and yes, an example of your stated, 'warming causing warming' is albedo... the amount of the sun’s energy that is reflected off the Earth’s surface and back into space, rather than absorbed. An ice surface reflects energy back into the atmosphere resulting in a cooler surface temperature... melting ice results in less reflection, less reflected energy and a corresponding temperature increase. The same parallel exists with snow... melting snow and impacts on permafrost.
What? Sorry, I was not listening.

Oh, you mean that Canadian scientists are only interested in CANADA warming, not GLOBAL warming. I see.
Oh, yeah, and I know what albedo is and that ice reflects.

But if it makes you feel all fuzzy inside assuming you know more than anyone else or even just me, then by all means, keep being a condescending a$$.
 

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Before you came back all we had were anti- Harper threads...
Your return seem to have put new energy in Mentalfluff....he's going round and round like the EverReady overheated bunny..
It's sickeningly laughable....

it's called a discussion forum... there's an ebb and flow of topics/threads created... you know, a discussion forum. You raised a concern... now clearly directed at the esteemed CC member, 'mentalfloss'. As I said, one of your own crew has started several threads just in the last hour or so. Please give him a portion of your stern admonishment! Peace Out.

Well anyways, I will just take it for granted that scientists think EVERYTHING, not just Canada, north of 60 is warming faster than the rest of the planet.

why take it for granted... why not prove me right - try a little research on your own. You might like it.

Oh, you mean that Canadian scientists are only interested in CANADA warming, not GLOBAL warming. I see.

you see what you want to see... which is, apparently, purposeful fabrication. You ask why Canada is being "singled out"... your false interpretation was corrected; it was mentioned that Canadian scientists working for Environment Canada, speaking to Canada's First Minister's, highlighted the fact concerning Canada's warming rate... Canada, Canada, Canada.

But if it makes you feel all fuzzy inside assuming you know more than anyone else or even just me, then by all means, keep being a condescending a$$.

no worries; clearly you have nothing to contribute and have zero interest in educating yourself... try to rise above the denier crew here! Don't bother to ask questions of me in the future - save yourself such drama/consternation!
 

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see weather versus climate... in spite of your "billion years ago" distraction, care to provide an attribution for today's relatively recent temperature rise?

Global Land and Ocean Temperature Anomalies, January - December (Annual anomalies relative to 20th century)


According to the IPCC, there was very little warming from humans before 1950. Therefore, this is what the trend looks like:


 

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AnnaG

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you see what you want to see... which is, apparently, purposeful fabrication. You ask why Canada is being "singled out"... your false interpretation was corrected; it was mentioned that Canadian scientists working for Environment Canada, speaking to Canada's First Minister's, highlighted the fact concerning Canada's warming rate... Canada, Canada, Canada.
uhuh That sounds more like politics loosely based upon science than science itself.

no worries; clearly you have nothing to contribute and have zero interest in educating yourself... try to rise above the denier crew here! Don't bother to ask questions of me in the future - save yourself such drama/consternation!
No problem. You cannot answer my questions in depth anyways, by the looks of it. So much for your contribution to a DISCUSSION forum.
 

DaSleeper

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Well anyways, I will just take it for granted that scientists think EVERYTHING, not just Canada, north of 60 is warming faster than the rest of the planet.

What? Sorry, I was not listening.

Oh, you mean that Canadian scientists are only interested in CANADA warming, not GLOBAL warming. I see.
Oh, yeah, and I know what albedo is and that ice reflects.

But if it makes you feel all fuzzy inside assuming you know more than anyone else or even just me, then by all means, keep being a condescending a$$.

It don't take long for people to recognize his inherent qualities....
That and his level of bullshîte that he spews...
You never heard of his trip to Machu Pictchu have ya?
 

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Oh I absolutely agree that Canada is warming at twice the global rate.

Here's some basic math for you:

2 x 0 = 0

Or pretty damn close.
 

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According to the IPCC, there was very little warming from humans before 1950. Therefore, this is what the trend looks like:

your eye-balled trend lines need some attention... that particular graphic is sufficient for broad based anomaly discussion. If you truly want to speak of temperature trending you need to be more precise, particularly working to ensure proper and inclusive dataset selection. As an aside, I note you attempting to perpetuate the "pause meme"... and, per norm, your eyeball trendline is conveniently choosing to align with one of the more significant Enso events... standard denier practice.

try this interactive tool (from Dr. Kevin Cowtan - UofYork)... there are several out there; this one is usually kept quite current. The following represents a trendline using the most recent NOAA global dataset:




No problem. You cannot answer my questions in depth anyways, by the looks of it. So much for your contribution to a DISCUSSION forum.

again, your question was answered. You haven't the basic understanding to even ask the right questions... to even begin to discuss basic fundamentals... let alone your suggested "in depth" level.

It don't take long for people to recognize his inherent qualities....
That and his level of bullshîte that he spews...
You never heard of his trip to Machu Pictchu have ya?

such a sad lil' facker you are! :lol: Start it up again... I'll gladly run you ragged... again! Cut and Paste is just a CC search away! I'll once again gladly show you for the simpering, whimpering lapdog azzhole you truly are! Your choice.

Oh I absolutely agree that Canada is warming at twice the global rate.

Here's some basic math for you:

2 x 0 = 0

Or pretty damn close.

deniers gonna do it... deny!

uhuh That sounds more like politics loosely based upon science than science itself.

uhuh this reads like a continuation of you knowing nothing, adding nothing and pompously offering baseless unsubstantiated fluff.
 

DaSleeper

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It seems to me that member waldo thinks that that the level of understanding in this forum is lacking.....several times in this thread alone, he has mention that people should study more on his and mentalfluff's pet interest which is "Global wrming"
He is constantly complaining about everyone's comprehension....
Maybe member waldo should seek a place that is more in line with his level of inflated intellect
While I think the thing about him that is mostly inflated would be his ego...I would wish him luck in finding such a place because everybody there would have to agree with him to be considered intelligent enough for him!
 

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your eye-balled trend lines need some attention... that particular graphic is sufficient for broad based anomaly discussion. If you truly want to speak of temperature trending you need to be more precise, particularly working to ensure proper and inclusive dataset selection. As an aside, I note you attempting to perpetuate the "pause meme"... and, per norm, your eyeball trendline is conveniently choosing to align with one of the more significant Enso events... standard denier practice.
You are a cherry picker. One 1 of the 4 global temperature records don't show the pause, and you only go with the one. Why don't you show UAH, RSS, or HADCRUT? Because they don't fit your narrative.
 

AnnaG

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again, your question was answered. You haven't the basic understanding to even ask the right questions... to even begin to discuss basic fundamentals... let alone your suggested "in depth" level.
Ah, you mean you have not got the ability to go farther into depth and so are unwilling to admit that. Therefore you attempt to make it look like I am the one lacking. I see. Carry on, turnip.