Religious leaders butthurt over doctor assisted suicide

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sorry there grampy, but we have to ease up on the pain meds...
don't want you gettin addicted
whats that?
yeah, the food sucks...
no, not much on,
just basic cable...
have to put the money into keepin the lights on...

I guess so, not much point in draggin this out
If you are sure this is what you want...
I'll get the doc

sad, just three more days till his old age pension was to kick in....
 
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oops i gave you a thumbs up when i did not intend to Anna. Sorry.. :roll:

You misunderstand the nature of what we are dealing with. No system based on Evil is amenable to reparation. They are in fact exactly what they appear to be.. thugs and punks.

Killing children is not merciful. It is an atrocity and crime against humanity. It will be a festering wound which will consume all of our culture..

And we've had rule by law for the entirety of our country's history.. and that of the West of the rule of good over evil.. defined by our moral patrimony and by our consciences. The latter now has been convoluted beyond access to large swaths of the population.. by sophistry relativism and radical individualism.

Religion is evil. What is a crime against humanity is forcing a person to live by artificial means when they want to die just because science and a whole lot of OPM can make it happen.

You know what's proof of that? Priests sexually abusing children.

Divine right.
 

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Many of the 613 laws of the Torah have been determined to be obsolete by Jewish Clergy. Would that also be considered moral relativism?

It sounds like some form of Reform Judaism.. no laws have been declared obsolete by the Orthodox Judaism i'm quite sure. And moral relativism is an imposition. We are all provided consciences which if not convoluted and obfuscated by modern sophistry will correspond directly with the code that has form the civilizing impulse of the West.

We know killing children and the sick or infirm is evil. We know laws facilitating it are always done in the interests of greed or racism or moral madness.. and justified by an appeal to maudlin sentiment and fear, never conscience. The Nazis developed laws to kill people who were 'useless eaters'.. or were 'better off dead'. Many of the jurists and doctors who imposed them ended up hanging from gibbets.

You can improve palliative care while still allowing people to decide when they want to make their exit. The two are not mutually exclusive.

It won't happen. Those promises were made in the Netherlands and never kept. You miss the all aborbing nature of the Culture of Death. It's not about freedom.. it's about enslavement to a cult of pessimism and inertia. And it is absorbing the West now.. which will produce the most dramatic, unintended and catastrophic consequences.
 

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It sounds like some form of Reform Judaism.. no laws have been declared obsolete by the Orthodox Judaism i'm quite sure. And moral relativism is an imposition. We are all provided consciences which if not convoluted and obfuscated by modern sophistry will correspond directly with the code that has form the civilizing impulse of the West.

We know killing children and the sick or infirm is evil. We know laws facilitating it are always done in the interests of greed or racism or moral madness.. and justified by an appeal to maudlin sentiment and fear, never conscience. The Nazis developed laws to kill people who were 'useless eaters'.. or were 'better off dead'. Many of the jurists and doctors who imposed them ended up hanging from gibbets.



It won't happen. Those promises were made in the Netherlands and never kept. You miss the all aborbing nature of the Culture of Death. It's not about freedom.. it's about enslavement to a cult of pessimism and inertia. And it is absorbing the West now.. which will produce the most dramatic, unintended and catastrophic consequences.
The word" Emic "comes to mind when I read hardline stances on certain things in regard to certain faiths.
 

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No, what we are doing is extending the right to end one's own life past the point where they are no longer physically capable but still mentally able to make an informed and coherent choice. What you are doing is removing that choice and imposing your personal standard based solely on physical capability without any consideration of the harm it may do to the person or their family.

Keeping someone alive against their wishes causing them physical pain and mental anguish which inflicts severe emotional distress upon their family is DOING HARM! Most medical professionals recognize this. That is why most medical professionals support assisted suicide under a set of prescribed circumstances. It is the religious nutters and zealots who cannot see past their own delusional beliefs that oppose it.

These are the lies that are being spread in support of euthenasia.. completely seducing the dullards and moral incompetents who fill the the SCOC. The reality of the situation we see in Europe is people are badgered into suicide.. to avoid becoming 'burdens'... for the 'good' of their families... for the 'good' of society.. to avoid 'pain'.. because of an absense of adequate facilities to care for them.

The truth is that in the entirety of Western Civilization, for 2000 years and more natural death has been accepted as the end of life. It's only in the last 30 years that suddenly this has become 'intolerable'. Pain can be managed effectively.. and in the faith of our forefathers.. pain is symptom of life. Suffering has been seen as redeeming and sanctifying. Not to mention that pain can now be managed effectively even in the most severe illnesses.

What we are seeing now in that a our society has deemed that Life has NO meaning. It needs to be eradicated if it is inconvenient or doesn't conform to an acceptable standard of comfort. That's the reason we've aborted at least 60 million children in North America in the last 45 years. A holocaust of unprecedented proportions. Its why we see this cult moving relentlessly to murder the weak and vulnerable amongst those who have managed to be born.

When Life loses its meaning and value.. death becomes equally as worthless.

This from the original Hippocratic Oath

With regard to healing the sick, I will devise and order for them the best
diet, according to my judgment and means; and I will take care that they suffer
no hurt or damage.


Nor shall any man's entreaty prevail upon me to administer poison to anyone;
neither will I counsel any man to do so. Moreover, I will give no sort of
medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child

This does not resort any convoluted reversal of logic.. that killing someone is doing them a favour. You DO NOT administer poison as a doctor or medical professional. You heal.

Suicide will always be a mortal sin, and its an action that must be taken by the individual by himself.. accepting all of its consequences, before God. Ensnaring the medical idustry into the act a co-conspirator is an act of cowardice. Of casting off the the blame and implicating doctors or nurses into an act abhorrent to their professional integrity.

It's the biggest of cop outs. If you're bent on suicide then do it and accept its consequences. Don't surround yourself with this blather of nonsense that you are actually doing something good.. for yourself or your family.
 
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These are the lies that are being spread in support of euthenasia.. completely seducing the dullards and moral incompetents who fill the the SCOC. The reality of the situation we see in Europe is people are badgered into suicide.. to avoid becoming 'burdens'... for the 'good' of their families... for the 'good' of society.. to avoid 'pain'.. because of an absense of adequate measure to care for them.

The truth is that in the entirety of Western Civilization death has been accepted end of life. Pain can be managed effectively.. and in the faith of our forefathers.. pain is symptom of life. Suffering has been seen as redeeming and sanctifying. Not to mention that pain can now be managed effectively even in the most severe illnesses.

What we are seeing now in that Life has NO meaning. It needs to be eradicated if it is inconvenient or doesn't conform to an acceptable standard of comfort. That's the reason we've aborted at least 60 million children in North America in the last 45 years. A holocaust of unprecedented proportions. Its why we see this cult moving relentlessly to murder the weak and vulnerable amongst those who have managed to be born.

When Life loses its meaning and value.. death becomes equally as worthless.
Always good to hear a positive message
 

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These are the lies that are being spread in support of euthenasia.. completely seducing the dullards and moral incompetents who fill the the SCOC. The reality of the situation we see in Europe is people are badgered into suicide.. to avoid becoming 'burdens'... for the 'good' of their families... for the 'good' of society.. to avoid 'pain'.. because of an absense of adequate measure to care for them.

The truth is that in the entirety of Western Civilization death has been accepted end of life. Pain can be managed effectively.. and in the faith of our forefathers.. pain is symptom of life. Suffering has been seen as redeeming and sanctifying. Not to mention that pain can now be managed effectively even in the most severe illnesses.

What we are seeing now in that Life has NO meaning. It needs to be eradicated if it is inconvenient or doesn't conform to an acceptable standard of comfort. That's the reason we've aborted at least 60 million children in North America in the last 45 years. A holocaust of unprecedented proportions. Its why we see this cult moving relentlessly to murder the weak and vulnerable amongst those who have managed to be born.

When Life loses its meaning and value.. death becomes equally as worthless.

This from the original Hippocratic Oath

WoW. That is some nasty koolaid you been drinking.

It is against the law to make animals suffer. Why do you insist that we must force humans to suffer. Do you hate humanity? Or are you just a sadist hiding behind the robes of a cult?
 

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These are the lies that are being spread in support of euthenasia.. completely seducing the dullards and moral incompetents who fill the the SCOC. The reality of the situation we see in Europe is people are badgered into suicide.. to avoid becoming 'burdens'... for the 'good' of their families... for the 'good' of society.. to avoid 'pain'.. because of an absense of adequate measure to care for them.

The truth is that in the entirety of Western Civilization death has been accepted end of life. Pain can be managed effectively.. and in the faith of our forefathers.. pain is symptom of life. Suffering has been seen as redeeming and sanctifying. Not to mention that pain can now be managed effectively even in the most severe illnesses.

What we are seeing now in that Life has NO meaning. It needs to be eradicated if it is inconvenient or doesn't conform to an acceptable standard of comfort. That's the reason we've aborted at least 60 million children in North America in the last 45 years. A holocaust of unprecedented proportions. Its why we see this cult moving relentlessly to murder the weak and vulnerable amongst those who have managed to be born.

When Life loses its meaning and value.. death becomes equally as worthless.

This from the original Hippocratic Oath



This does not resort any convoluted reversal of logic.. that killing someone is doing them a favour. You DO NOT administer poison as a doctor or medical professional. You heal.

Suicide will always be a mortal sin, and its an action that must be taken by the individual by himself.. who accepts all of its consequences, before... and does not sequeste in the medical industry into a conspiracy of intentional killing abhorrent to their professional integrity.

Suffering is redeeming and sanctifying? Are you Opus Dei?
 

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We are all provided consciences which if not convoluted and obfuscated by modern sophistry
Sophistry provided by religious brainwashing and conditioning? As I said in another thread, it is fairly easy to bend people to will when they do not think critically and analytically. It is how a few people could obtain followers and as long as they kept their followers a bit on the oignorant side, they could easily convince them of stuff. A couple of their best tools for this is people's fear of the unknown and people's laziness. It is why religious leaders kept attempting to silence the people that could think and were not lazy about thinking critically and analytically - people that showed us the world was not flat and it rotated, dragons did not once inhabit Earth, nor did vampires, and left-handed people are not innately evil, and other facts that were hidden by cults such as Christianity. Information and facts are the enemies of such cults. Myths and ignorance are the tools of these cults.
This is also true of governments and by people that see science as a tool to misinform and distort reality.
 

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As I said in another thread, it is fairly easy to bend people to will when they do not think critically and analytically. It is how a few people could obtain followers and as long as they kept their followers a bit on the ignorant side, they could easily convince them of stuff. A couple of their best tools for this is people's fear of the unknown and people's laziness.

My point exactly. This Cult of Death has become the dominant 'spirituality' of our time.. imbued with deep pessimism, futility, inertia, material gratification and sentimental sophistry. That is the idol that our governments, courts and most of the people worship these days.. a golden calf. Christianity is a religion that REQUIRES critical and moral reasoning. Give up on that and you are easy prey for the New Age idolatry and capitulation of responsibility that is plotting our future.
 
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My point exactly. This Cult of Death has become the dominant 'spirituality' of our time.. imbued with deep pessimism, futility, inertia and sentimental sophistry. That is the idol our governments, courts and most of the people worship these days.. a golden calf. Christianity is a religion that REQUIRES critical and moral reasoning. Give up on that and you are easy prey for the New Age idolatry that is plotting our future.
Most of what I see is negativity and disagreements. Y'all can't stand together on much of anything. Not only that, aren't you suppose to inspire hope and comfort in people, instead of pessimism and guilt?
 

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My point exactly. This Cult of Death has become the dominant 'spirituality' of our time.. imbued with deep pessimism, futility, inertia and sentimental sophistry. That is the idol that our governments, courts and most of the people worship these days.. a golden calf. Christianity is a religion that REQUIRES critical and moral reasoning. Give up on that and you are easy prey for the New Age idolatry and capitulation of responsibility that is plotting our future.

All christianity requires is blind obedience to dogma.
 

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Most of what I see is negativity and disagreements. Y'all can't stand together on much of anything. Not only that, aren't you suppose to inspire hope and comfort in people, instead of pessimism and guilt?

Providing rationales (masquerading as 'hope and comfort') for self destructive actions, in the widest sense of the meaning.. for this life and the next (if you believe in that sort of stuff).. is doing no one any favours. You'll have to go to the precepts of moral relativism for that.. and there.. anything goes.
 

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The truth is that in the entirety of Western Civilization, for 2000 years and more natural death has been accepted as the end of life. It's only in the last 30 years that suddenly this has become 'intolerable'. Pain can be managed effectively.. and in the faith of our forefathers.. pain is symptom of life. Suffering has been seen as redeeming and sanctifying. Not to mention that pain can now be managed effectively even in the most severe illnesses.
And why is that? Is this "sanctity of human life" not important enough to prolong life? Is the compassion taught by Christianity not for easing suffering?
Hypocritical crap. If anything is evil it is these aggressive cults like CHristianity and its malevolent and hypocritical god, Yaweh.
What we are seeing now in that a our society has deemed that Life has NO meaning. It needs to be eradicated if it is inconvenient or doesn't conform to an acceptable standard of comfort. That's the reason we've aborted at least 60 million children in North America in the last 45 years. A holocaust of unprecedented proportions. Its why we see this cult moving relentlessly to murder the weak and vulnerable amongst those who have managed to be born.

When Life loses its meaning and value.. death becomes equally as worthless.
And how did this watering down of the value of life come about? It surely could not be because of the incredible size of population, could it? What happens when you bake a few cupcakes? You enjoy one now and then. What happens when you bake 5 dozen? You lose your pleasure in eating them.
"Be fruitful and multiply, fill the Earth ...." till there are so many people they do not value each other any longer. If you lived in a rural area and do not see dozens of people every day, you tend to enjoy them when you do see them. If you live in a big city where you can see hundreds every day and are constantly inundated with people honking horns and urging you to buy stuff and shooting at each other, the treasuring of human life is eroded. "And God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and ....." Genesis 8:17

This does not resort any convoluted reversal of logic.. that killing someone is doing them a favour. You DO NOT administer poison as a doctor or medical professional. You heal.
uhuh How do you heal a terminal patient?

Suicide will always be a mortal sin, and its an action that must be taken by the individual by himself.. accepting all of its consequences, before God. Ensnaring the medical idustry into the act a co-conspirator is an act of cowardice. Of casting off the the blame and implicating doctors or nurses into an act abhorrent to their professional integrity.

It's the biggest of cop outs. If you're bent on suicide then do it and accept its consequences. Don't surround yourself with this blather of nonsense that you are actually doing something good.. for yourself or your family.

hehe It is all part of evolution; you, me, Ludlow, selfsame, the pope, Trudeau, science, cults, politics, etc. We are evolving and will be what we will be.
Death is simply death. People fear it because it is an unknown - we know so little about it. Might as well focus on life while we are alive.

My point exactly. This Cult of Death has become the dominant 'spirituality' of our time.. imbued with deep pessimism, futility, inertia, material gratification and sentimental sophistry. That is the idol that our governments, courts and most of the people worship these days.. a golden calf. Christianity is a religion that REQUIRES critical and moral reasoning. Give up on that and you are easy prey for the New Age idolatry and capitulation of responsibility that is plotting our future.
Christianity does no such thing. People have been trying to pound the myth and mysticism out of it for centuries. Its biggest fault is sticking to its mysticism and trying to keep creation rather than science to explain the realities of the universe.

Life and its diversity is supreme, not individual lives.
 
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Providing rationales (masquerading as 'hope and comfort') for self destructive actions, in the widest sense of the meaning.. for this life and the next (if you believe in that sort of stuff).. is doing no one any favours. You'll have to go to the precepts of moral relativism for that.. and there.. anything goes.
justification duly noted.

Maybe it's human nature . There seems to be a lot of things we "forsake" to validate our own agenda.