"Strategic voting" about the sickest thing I've heard of.

[PoliticalNick]

The ones who voted are the ONLY ones who count, Nick. There is VERY little excuse not to vote, short of possibly a person in hospital in a coma.

That sounds like you believe that only a small percentage of the citizens deserve to be considered when those 308 idiots make policy which is exactly what Harper has done for the last 4 years. In fact a lot of his policy has gone against every citizen with respect to our freedoms and rights. All those who aspire to run the country should really remember that after the election they are everybody's PM and have to make policy for ALL Canadians and I don't think any of them have a solid grasp of that concept.

I do want to be clear though that I do not blame the individuals so much but blame the flawed and broken system which none of them seem willing to even think about changing.

 

[JLM]

That sounds like you believe that only a small percentage of the citizens deserve to be considered when those 308 idiots make policy which is exactly what Harper has done for the last 4 years. In fact a lot of his policy has gone against every citizen with respect to our freedoms and rights. All those who aspire to run the country should really remember that after the election they are everybody's PM and have to make policy for ALL Canadians and I don't think any of them have a solid grasp of that concept.

I do want to be clear though that I do not blame the individuals so much but blame the flawed and broken system which none of them seem willing to even think about changing.

I can only speak for myself and possibly family members but I'm unaware of any freedoms and rights I've been deprived of in the past four years. Perhaps you can list a few.

Yes, and when people strategically vote, they effectively want a certain candidate to win their riding.

Or think they do and end up splitting the vote. When you are trying to be cute, often as not it comes back to bite you in the A$$.

Actually I am warming up to the idea if we can obliterate the right.
They don't say who to vote for merely provide the name and party
in second place if we get behind the candidate we can destroy the
Tory party by bleeding its front bench remember this election is now
get Harper no matter who else you support.
I am looking forward to the last day of this guy on Monday and its
shaping up that way. I would no longer be unhappy to see even a
Trudeau majority if that's what it took

Don't get your hopes too high. One thing I am looking forward to if Jr. does end up as Prime Minister is to watch all the floundering and thinking up excuses. What's he going to say when people ask him where all the 25,000 refugees are on Jan. 1? I'd love to be a fly on the wall watching that. Let me know on Oct. 19, 2016 what you think!! Oh yeah, filling all these construction jobs will be interesting.

I think you may be correct about one thing, Nick - what the politicians (and they all do it) refer to as a majority is quite often a plurality. In the last election Harper did in fact have a majority as he won over half of the 308 seats (approx. 165)

 

[coldstream]

Stephen Harper has proven himself to totally lacking in vision, passion, integrity, courage, comprehension, eloquence, imagination, patriotism for Canada. It's time to give this pathetic, imcompetent little corporate quisling the boot.. whatever way it is achieved.

 

[WLDB]

People should vote to elect the person they want to win and forget the chicken sh*t games.

With first past the post that doesnt always work. Some candidates win their ridings with barely 30% of the votes cast. If some people want to vote for their second choice because they prefer that to the candidate they absolutely do not want to win so be it. Its their vote they can do as they please. Fortunately for me I don't have to think about it. My preferred candidate is likely a shoe in in my riding. He's been there awhile and is still pretty popular around here.

rural people in alberta should vote conservative,this is best for them,spread the word!

Its probably a foregone conclusion that the vast majority of them will either way.

Given Harpers nutty religious views, I'd agree. Holy war or unholy jihad seems more fitting

I dont really care about his religious views. Hell Im not even sure what they are. He has kept quiet about that and hasnt brought it into politics so I dont consider it an issue.

One could say that promoting strategic voting is undemocratic instead!

One could, they'd still be wrong. Damn near everyone around here including Conservative supporters have said that they tend to vote for the "lesser evil" on the ballot. That right there is strategic voting just with another name.

They need to start giving free coffee and fresh glazed donuts at the voting places.

In the 19th century some places offered whiskey. That must have been fun. Of course at that time there wasnt a secret ballot either which no doubt influenced things.

I don't have a land-line and I haven't received a robocall from anyone this election.

Nor I. I havent ever had a landline in my name. When I left home I had a cell and kept it that way. That was nearly ten years ago. Since then three federal elections have happened and I havent received a single call from any party or polling company. I like it that way.

 

[tay]

People should vote to elect the person they want to win and forget the chicken sh*t games. If he can't be beaten fair and square, that in itself says a lot for the man. Only a real A$$hole of the "first water" would engage in such bull sh*t. Some people are disgusting.

I hope that your headline"Strategic voting" about the sickest thing I've heard of." is just a metaphor.

On the subject of Strategic Voting, I was on a 'Vote Strategically' type site just to see what it was about some weeks ago and for my area, which is CON, they picked the LIB as the one to vote for even though the LIB came in 3rd to the NDP by about 18,000 votes last time.

This was before Mulcair's Niqab dissolvement and when he was riding high as the 'most trust worthy' leader.


Some of the other regions also picked LIBS where NDP'ers were already in......

 

[Cliffy]

I dont really care about his religious views. Hell Im not even sure what they are. He has kept quiet about that and hasnt brought it into politics so I dont consider it an issue.

That may not be entirely accurate. His stance on climate change, muzzling scientist and destroying a whole lot of scientific data may be because of his religious beliefs. He is all gung ho to get involved with war in the ME because they believe in starting Armageddon there and his overly enthusiastic support of Israel has a lot to do with his religious beliefs

 

[AnnaG]

They won the election (though not without some skullduggery) under our current flawed system. That does not however mean they had the support of the majority of Canadians. They didn't even have a majority of those that voted. To me claiming a majority and a clear mandate under those circumstances is ludicrous and an insult to anyone's intelligence.

I tend to agree.
And the fact that only 38% (or whatever) of voters actually voted was discussed in a variety of venues. The reasons arrived at in most venues for that were determined to be mostly lack of interest in Canadian politics and a rejection of the electoral system. Both are VERY expressive statements. It does not seem that those statements had much of an effect on electoral activities among politicians and perhaps others. If that is true then all I can see is a lot of trouble in the future.

All those who aspire to run the country should really remember that after the election they are everybody's PM and have to make policy for ALL Canadians and I don't think any of them have a solid grasp of that concept.

Me either.

I do want to be clear though that I do not blame the individuals so much but blame the flawed and broken system which none of them seem willing to even think about changing.

Exactly.

I found a site with a pretty good description of various systems: Voting System Comparison

 

[B00Mer]

Yup, nothing like living in a banana republic when you're election has been rigged.. Liberals and NDP are desperate.. and it will come back to haunt them.

 

[AnnaG]

well, let me see: it seems to me that back a ways, Harpy was treating his cab. members like they were gophers. Basically he was totalitarian/authoritarian. A dictator, IOW. He was ignoring the fact that everyone under him were supposed to be representing US. That was indicated to a large degree in his foreign policies. He dictated foreign policies with little or no parliamentary or public discussion. That is a bit incursive into our rights. And he has done quite a bit without parliamentary or public discussion.
So, JLM, that is one thing I can think of at the moment where Harpy has ignored our rights.

Stephen Harper has proven himself to totally lacking in vision, passion, integrity, courage, comprehension, eloquence, imagination, patriotism for Canada. It's time to give this pathetic, imcompetent little corporate quisling the boot.. whatever way it is achieved.

... says the propaganda expert for the Gliberals (or Dippers or whichever). You forgot the tags about torturing baby animals, eating newborn children, etc.

 

[Cannuck]

Stephen Harper has proven himself to totally lacking in vision, passion, integrity, courage, comprehension, eloquence, imagination, patriotism for Canada.

...and those are his good qualities.

 

[B00Mer]

...and those are his good qualities.

I knew you were a dipper.. an fukking Carpet Bagger who moved to Alberta to reap the good times..

How's the Kitchen?

 

[tay]

This is a different kind of strategic voting .......

 

[spaminator]

This is a different kind of strategic voting .......

what is it with these trannies? :shock:

 

[JLM]

well, let me see: it seems to me that back a ways, Harpy was treating his cab. members like they were gophers. Basically he was totalitarian/authoritarian. A dictator, IOW. He was ignoring the fact that everyone under him were supposed to be representing US. That was indicated to a large degree in his foreign policies. He dictated foreign policies with little or no parliamentary or public discussion. That is a bit incursive into our rights. And he has done quite a bit without parliamentary or public discussion.
So, JLM, that is one thing I can think of at the moment where Harpy has ignored our rights.

As I've acknowledged many times he can be an A$$hole when he puts his mind to it, but none of the stuff you mentioned affects me. When he starts affecting at the end of every month and on April 30, I'll start to get a little concerned.

 

[AnnaG]

As I've acknowledged many times he can be an A$$hole when he puts his mind to it, but none of the stuff you mentioned affects me. When he starts affecting at the end of every month and on April 30, I'll start to get a little concerned.

Ok, if that intrusion on your rights doesn't bother you, how about Harpy's lack of transparency (after campaigning on transparency in government)?

 

[damngrumpy]

The right wing crazies post stuff in elections like Obama is an Alien and
not a citizen a Muslim and so on
The conservatives spread crap like there will be brothels in your neighbourhood
if you vote Liberal and so on.
So now the left has taken up the challenge how do we get rid of the right right in
power. They do a riding by riding suggestion as to who is second and all pile on
to defeat the Tory incumbent or not Or they will now send you a nude if you vote
and against Harper. Crazies on the left and right are nothing new.

I don't like the idea of sending a nude photo to someone for voting some do
I also don't want to rid us of all conservative voices that is as bad as what we have
now all right voices with little accountability they have 30% of the voters that's it.

We need to be voting individually for the Prime Minister as well and sorry to say
with a two term limit Yes I have changed my view a bit but I don't want proportional
representation

 

[mentalfloss]

This will continue to be a problem until we move to proportional representation.

 

[PoliticalNick]

We need to move away from party politics entirely or at least outlaw the 'whipped' vote. I also agree a national ballot for PM would be a good thing but that requires a constitutional ammendment so would be very difficult to achieve.

 

[darkbeaver]

I will take both your ideas into consideration when I sieze power.

The right wing crazies post stuff in elections like Obama is an Alien and
not a citizen a Muslim and so on
The conservatives spread crap like there will be brothels in your neighbourhood
if you vote Liberal and so on.
So now the left has taken up the challenge how do we get rid of the right right in
power. They do a riding by riding suggestion as to who is second and all pile on
to defeat the Tory incumbent or not Or they will now send you a nude if you vote
and against Harper. Crazies on the left and right are nothing new.

I don't like the idea of sending a nude photo to someone for voting some do
I also don't want to rid us of all conservative voices that is as bad as what we have
now all right voices with little accountability they have 30% of the voters that's it.

We need to be voting individually for the Prime Minister as well and sorry to say
with a two term limit Yes I have changed my view a bit but I don't want proportional
representation

crazies to the left of us
crazies to the right
here I am
stuck in the middle with you


name that tune

 

[WLDB]

We need to be voting individually for the Prime Minister as well and sorry to say
with a two term limit

Im not totally opposed to that option but it would require major changes to the constitution. I dont see that happening anytime soon. None of the major parties want to touch the constitution for anything unfortunately.

This will continue to be a problem until we move to proportional representation.

Yep. Or some kind of electoral reform anyway.

or at least outlaw the 'whipped' vote.

Now that would be great. That was something Harper and the Reform party were in favour of - til it no longer suited them unfortunately.