"Strategic voting" about the sickest thing I've heard of.
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Is that how they do it now? They used to give us a list of the candidates to vote for.
My wife got a card from her union telling her how to vote. Of course she is not a Canadian citizen but it did not stop them.
The first past he post system is a complete deformation of the Parliamentary political process.
A rating system which would assign a preference of 3 candidates in order (at the discretion of the voter)... the lowest candidate being dropped until a simple majority in achieved.. or all choices have been exhausted.. would be much fairer and achievable.
Unfortunately the demographic on the left is much more fragmented that that on the right.. which means a Conservative government would never implement it.. since it would likely unify progressive elements against it.
Since the system is not fair.. i encourage Canadian voters to vote strategically. Maybe we can get this incompetent idiot Harper out of office... before he destroys the country with his rabid Free Market mania... and his pathetic grovelling before his 'supra'national puppet masters (WTO, IMF, World Bank, Wall Street).
A rating system which would assign a preference of 3 candidates in order (at the discretion of the voter)... the lowest candidate being dropped until a simple majority in achieved.. or all choices have been exhausted.. would be much fairer and achievable.
Unfortunately the demographic on the left is much more fragmented that that on the right.. which means a Conservative government would never implement it.. since it would likely unify progressive elements against it.
Since the system is not fair.. i encourage Canadian voters to vote strategically. Maybe we can get this incompetent idiot Harper out of office... before he destroys the country with his rabid Free Market mania... and his pathetic grovelling before his 'supra'national puppet masters (WTO, IMF, World Bank, Wall Street).
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Warm water in a cloth. hehe
Holy crap! That bit of info should be spread far and wide.
Just the fact people think they have to resort to "back door" measures makes the sense of the whole charade suspect.
Any it's probably all a moot point. Jr. and Mulehair will probably just be ordinary civilians a week from now.I wonder if I could guess what party she was told to vote for.
Hope she told them to shove it where the sun don't shine!
Yeah, so far we've had 4 or 5 calls from Dippers. We like them because it gives us a chance to be a little bit naughty and lie. lol
Not 1 other party has bothered to call us.
Anyways,
I think if we aren't going to issue everyone passwords to a referendum site on the net, so we can vote in referendums and get rid of the representative nonsense outright, we should ban campaigning. Let the candidates just give us info about themselves and what their platforms are and leave it at that. And make any coercion by any other than candidates illegal and punishable by extremely heavy fines. Oh, and ban political parties. And get rid of the FPTP crap because it is archaic and draconian. Maybe go to DPR or something.
On second thought, if we are mainly governed by business interests, then there is no point.
Who are you people who get phone calls from candidates? Do you have landlines or something?
I'm not sure you really understand how elections work.
Just the fact people think they have to resort to "back door" measures makes the sense of the whole charade suspect.
I'm not sure you really understand how elections work.
A lot of folk buy into the anyone but movement and a lot of other folk vote for the candidate best suited to local needs collides with the brainwashed vote and you'll get Wynning government. You only get one. Use it wisely....
The whole idea of strategic voting is a direct result of a very broken system and "party" politics. As soon as we moved away from the constitutional mandate of INDEPENDENT representatives and accepted party politics we lost control. You should be voting for the candidate that will, in your view, best represent the constituents of the riding. This would be easy if all were independent. It is so unfortunate that people will now vote for inept and incompetent candidates because they are either affiliated with another candidate who might become PM or to stop some candidate in a different riding from becoming PM.
Currently not many actually pay attention to who the local candidates are. Most people could not name everyone running in their riding because it has become all about national parties. While campaigning for our local libertarian I have talked to so many people in the last few months who respond with "I'm voting for Harper" or "I'm voting for Trudeau" and they seem to have a hard time understanding that neither of those men are running in this constituency and they really do not know who the local candidate is.
The other part of the problem is the "whipped vote". This essentially says that an MP really has no discretion to vote on an issue in the way to best suit and represent the citizens who sent them to Ottawa and in many cases that MP is forced to vote in a way that is diametrically opposed to the best interest of his/her constituents.
So if you do not want or like strategic voting then we need to fix the system and you should be harassing your representative on a regular basis to do this or vote for the libertarians who are committed to fixing it.
I'm sure it was "suggesting" who she vote for not "telling"
Currently not many actually pay attention to who the local candidates are. Most people could not name everyone running in their riding because it has become all about national parties. While campaigning for our local libertarian I have talked to so many people in the last few months who respond with "I'm voting for Harper" or "I'm voting for Trudeau" and they seem to have a hard time understanding that neither of those men are running in this constituency and they really do not know who the local candidate is.
The other part of the problem is the "whipped vote". This essentially says that an MP really has no discretion to vote on an issue in the way to best suit and represent the citizens who sent them to Ottawa and in many cases that MP is forced to vote in a way that is diametrically opposed to the best interest of his/her constituents.
So if you do not want or like strategic voting then we need to fix the system and you should be harassing your representative on a regular basis to do this or vote for the libertarians who are committed to fixing it.
I'm sure it was "suggesting" who she vote for not "telling"
I disagree on a number of fronts. First, the idea of the left-right divide is not true. eg. many union members in resource towns are torn between the NDP and the Conservatives, but don't like the Liberals.
Second, How you define left and right has a lot to do with how many people you find on the left and right. The Liberals are thought of as centrist with about 1/3 of them being right of center and 2/3 being left of center. The premier here in BC is a right of center Liberal, and as such is despised by the left just as much as Harper.
Third, you don't have to vote strategically to remove Harper from office. Please view the link in the first point to see why. hint: the NDP won in Alberta without it, and had the right been united, they would have still won. Again see link above.
Fourth, in 2011 most elections were won by a majority (we had 308 different elections). Here in BC every single interior and northern riding was won with more than 50% of the vote. Uniting the left as you call it would not have changed the result. Now, the NDP might win some seats this time around, not because of uniting the left, but because voters are tired of the Conservatives. It is not strategic voting that unseats a government; it is the government than unseats itself that does that (think stupid attack ads, etc.).