Conservatives make voting tougher for poor

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Last year, when the Conservatives were pushing the Fair Elections Act through Parliament, Conservative MP Brad Butt stood up -- twice -- to claim he had seen voter information cards being stolen.


Stephen Best, who lives in Butts' riding, thought the story was weird. If Butt saw people stealing voter cards, why didn't he report it?

Best contacted Elections Canada, and the agency checked Butt's bogus claims. Two weeks later, Butt stood up in the House to say that he had made up his story.


A lot of people are going to be prevented from voting in October to prevent the kind of thing that Butt didn't see.


The Fair Elections Act prevents voters from using voter cards as identification on election day. People with up-to-date driver's licences are fine, but nearly four million Canadians don't have those. To vote, they will have to show ID that proves who they are and where they live.


This all appears to have been inspired by American laws that make it harder for poor people to vote, ostensibly to prevent voter fraud.


On Thursday, lawyer Steven Shrybman will ask a Toronto judge to issue an emergency injunction to allow the use of voter cards as identification this October. If Shrybman succeeds, Elections Canada would still have time to reprint the cards.


Shrybman, representing the Council of Canadians and the Canadian Federation of Students, will argue that the Fair Elections Act violates the Charter right to vote, because tens of thousands of voters will be unable to prove their identity and address on election day.


Shrybman's case depends on evidence from election expert Harry Neufeld, who says that after many years of looking for voter fraud, he has failed to find it. In the rare cases where people do vote twice they do so because of mental disability or intoxication.


Justice Department lawyers argue that it's up to MPs, not judges, to decide what ID is required. And anyone without ID can just acquire a Letter of Confirmation of Residence!


They say safeguards are needed to protect the integrity of the electoral system, but in their 51-page affidavit they are able to point to only two fraudulent votes, both cast by pranksters from Quebec TV show Infoman, who spoiled their ballots in 2011.


Luckily for the Conservatives, the judge may rule based on the threshold necessary to overturn a potentially unconstitutional law before there is time for a full airing of evidence rather than the merits of the law.




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EagleSmack

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Even having to show any form of ID to vote in the US is considered to be disenfranchising to the poor.


Canada is so conservative.
 

DaSleeper

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My wife had to have her picture taken for hers at the same time her driver's license came due a couple of years ago.
When is your next renewal date for your drivers'? they are now processed at the same time.....
 

damngrumpy

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I understand the other parties are trying to make sure everyone is registered to vote
They should form the anti Harper club and for a donation get a button that says so.
I would pay to pay to have one. Regardless of who you vote for as long as its not
Harper.
 

SLM

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My wife had to have her picture taken for hers at the same time her driver's license came due a couple of years ago.
When is your next renewal date for your drivers'? they are now processed at the same time.....

Last I'd heard the Ministry of Health was sending out notices for people to update to the new healthcard. Makes more sense to do it this way.
 

Walter

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Last I'd heard the Ministry of Health was sending out notices for people to update to the new healthcard. Makes more sense to do it this way.
Got my notice a few weeks ago. I've had the old red and white for decades.
 

lone wolf

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I had to abandon the rebel card a few months ago when I went in to Service Canada to "correct" my address. Right addie - old card. She punched a hole in the rebel card and issued a temporary paper valid until the new one arrived - which it did in ten days
 

Corduroy

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Is voter fraud such a problem as to threaten the integrity of our democracy? What claim does the Conservative party have to being the duly democratically elected government then?
 

Walter

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Is voter fraud such a problem as to threaten the integrity of our democracy? What claim does the Conservative party have to being the duly democratically elected government then?
Can be. Elections Canada says they won. Any other questions?
 

petros

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I've been a DRO for the past 4 elections. Only two or three people needed vouching for or used a bill as ID.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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My wife had to have her picture taken for hers at the same time her driver's license came due a couple of years ago.
When is your next renewal date for your drivers'? they are now processed at the same time.....

There should just be one card. You can scan it and determine if you have the right to drive, healthcare coverage, age of majority, etc.
 

SLM

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Can be. Elections Canada says they won. Any other questions?

Why is abbreviation such a long word?

How do they get the caramel into the Caramilk bars?

What was the best thing before sliced bread?

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

There should just be one card. You can scan it and determine if you have the right to drive, healthcare coverage, age of majority, etc.

OMG! Are you mad? That would be efficient!!!
 

DaSleeper

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I'm sure the technology exists for those chip cards.... that one card would do everything and different departments such as the police , hospital/doctor, bank/stores would have access only to the appropriate records....
It would be nice to go to a doctor and not have to remember a list of medication.....of course, a pin number would have to be entered to give him/her access.....