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JamesBondo

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For every 1 dollars raised, why isn't 114 raised to protect children from drowning in residential swimming pools? Afterall, that is the ratio of tragic deathes. If it saves just one more child than all 115 dollars going to anti-gun efforts, then it would be worth it.
 
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JamesBondo said:
For every 1 dollars raised, why isn't 114 raised to protect children from drowning in residential swimming pools? Afterall, that is the ratio of tragic deathes. If it saves just one more child than all 115 dollars going to anti-gun efforts, then it would be worth it.
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you're recycling! In kind:
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you should be very concerned about someone bringing a swimming pool to a school. And by jeebus, you just can't be sure if someone is packin' a concealed swimming pool! Cause like, uhhh... the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a swimming pool is a good guy with a swimming pool... :mrgreen:
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let's examine your trivialization attempt... in keeping with your U.S./CDC stats focus... the same 5 year range you put forward; also updated to reflect more current available data (2009-2013):

2005-2009:
- (for ages <1-to-14) deaths (unintentional, homicide, suicide) associated with
- drownings: 3889
- firearms: 1882
- difference: 2007
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- (for all ages) deaths (unintentional, homicide, suicide) associated with
- drownings: 19838
- firearms: 152832
- difference: 132994
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2009-2013:
- (for ages <1-to-14) deaths (unintentional, homicide, suicide) associated with
- drownings: 3571
- firearms: 1895
- difference: 1676
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- (for all ages) deaths (unintentional, homicide, suicide) associated with
- drownings: 19996
- firearms: 159231
- difference: 139235

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so... over those two 5 year ranges, you're sure trying to make something out of ~1600-to-2000 deaths for children under 15 years of age... while you, of course, ignore the bigger picture of, as you say, "tragic deaths"... all tragic deaths regardless of age! By the by, those funds you'd like redirected... do you have any names of anti-swimming pool groups? :mrgreen: Of course, your purposeful misdirection effort was isolated to unintentional deaths for a segment of the greater whole... notwithstanding non-fatal injury related violence stats and the ripple effects of those injuries through society, hey!

you had something to say about trolling in recent posts... is that what you're doing here?

JamesBondo said:
It is common for a troll to cry victim.
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there's no victim play from me here... but I do appreciate you condone, relish and encourage that most blatant and overt insult thrown by the clubhouse lapper!
 
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JamesBondo said:
For every 1 dollars raised, why isn't 114 raised to protect children from drowning in residential swimming pools? Afterall, that is the ratio of tragic deathes. If it saves just one more child than all 115 dollars going to anti-gun efforts, then it would be worth it.
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Your argument is, of course, ridiculous. It amounts to "if you don't address all problems simultaneously and in proportion, you are a hypocrite."

Essentially the same as accusing someone of hypocrisy for donating to the Cancer Society and not donating an equal or greater amount of money to the Heart Disease Association.

You know you and I draw the same conclusions on guns, JB. Just saying this is a dumb argument.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
Your argument is, of course, ridiculous. It amounts to "if you don't address all problems simultaneously and in proportion, you are a hypocrite."

Essentially the same as accusing someone of hypocrisy for donating to the Cancer Society and not donating an equal or greater amount of money to the Heart Disease Association.

You know you and I draw the same conclusions on guns, JB. Just saying this is a dumb argument.
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thank you. it was meant to be ridiculous the moment I appealed to the disproportionate logic of "if it saves just one life".
 
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waldo said:
you're recycling! In kind:


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let's examine your trivialization attempt... in keeping with your U.S./CDC stats focus... the same 5 year range you put forward; also updated to reflect more current available data (2009-2013):

2005-2009:
- (for ages <1-to-14) deaths (unintentional, homicide, suicide) associated with
- drownings: 3889
- firearms: 1882
- difference: 2007
​
- (for all ages) deaths (unintentional, homicide, suicide) associated with
- drownings: 19838
- firearms: 152832
- difference: 132994
​
2009-2013:
- (for ages <1-to-14) deaths (unintentional, homicide, suicide) associated with
- drownings: 3571
- firearms: 1895
- difference: 1676
​
- (for all ages) deaths (unintentional, homicide, suicide) associated with
- drownings: 19996
- firearms: 159231
- difference: 139235

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so... over those two 5 year ranges, you're sure trying to make something out of ~1600-to-2000 deaths for children under 15 years of age... while you, of course, ignore the bigger picture of, as you say, "tragic deaths"... all tragic deaths regardless of age! By the by, those funds you'd like redirected... do you have any names of anti-swimming pool groups? :mrgreen: Of course, your purposeful misdirection effort was isolated to unintentional deaths for a segment of the greater whole... notwithstanding non-fatal injury related violence stats and the ripple effects of those injuries through society, hey!

you had something to say about trolling in recent posts... is that what you're doing here?



there's no victim play from me here... but I do appreciate you condone, relish and encourage that most blatant and overt insult thrown by the clubhouse lapper!
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Please stop being so obtuse and insensitive about the preventable deaths of children. Drowned or shot, they are all tragic. To call any of them a trivialization shows how worthless your values can be.
 
waldo

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waldo said:
let's examine your trivialization attempt...

so... over those two 5 year ranges, you're sure trying to make something out of ~1600-to-2000 deaths for children under 15 years of age... while you, of course, ignore the bigger picture of, as you say, "tragic deaths"... all tragic deaths regardless of age!

you had something to say about trolling in recent posts... is that what you're doing here?

there's no victim play from me here... but I do appreciate you condone, relish and encourage that most blatant and overt insult thrown by the clubhouse lapper!
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JamesBondo said:
Please stop being so obtuse and insensitive about the preventable deaths of children. Drowned or shot, they are all tragic. To call any of them a trivialization shows how worthless your values can be.
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I didn't trivialize deaths - YOU DID! I impressed the significance of "all tragic deaths regardless of age!"

damn, you're easier than most around here! :mrgreen:
 
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DaSleeper said:
I guess you troll all the other forums the same way you do here with your Bullshyte?
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hey clubhouse lapper... you keep posting about me and "other forums"! What's it like to be a stalker, hey? :mrgreen: But again, I see you're only here for confrontation. I do believe there's also a rule against following someone around this very forum... posting nothing but your insults and pointed confrontational posts. Ain't ya got nuthin' else, lil' clubhouse lapdog, hey!

here you go:
"10. Not to engage in internet stalking. This includes, but is not limited to, following a Canadian Content member from site to site, or from thread to thread within this site; taking posts from Canadian Content in order to attack a poster at another site; and attempting to defame or discredit Canadian Content members on other sites for views they may have expressed at Canadian Content."​
 
DaSleeper

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Your C/P's are legendary for for their lack of originality even your childish attempt at insult are regurgitates from some of your previous posts...
So i would politely suggest that you take an aeronautical intercourse on a piece of motivated pastry!:grin:

You should look inward....you would notice that your own attitude is what brings you all that scorn!
 
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just published study/analysis: What Does (U.S.) Gun Violence Really Cost?

Annual economic cost of US gun violence 'is $700 for every American' --- New investigation puts overall price tag for 33,000 gun deaths and 75,000 injuries each year at $229 billion































DaSleeper said:
Your C/P's are legendary for for their lack of originality even your childish attempt at insult are regurgitates from some of your previous posts...
So i would politely suggest that you take an aeronautical intercourse on a piece of motivated pastry!:grin:

You should look inward....you would notice that your own attitude is what brings you all that scorn!
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as I keep stating: I could care less what you (and your "scorning" ilk) think... however, I certainly will highlight your plaintive wails, your overt and pointed insults, your petulant and juvenile trolling, your purposeful confrontational posts and your woeful inability to post anything of substance and/or anything in relation to the subject matter at hand. You're a lightweight lapdog, nothing more, nothing less! :mrgreen:
 
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waldo said:
just published study/analysis: What Does (U.S.) Gun Violence Really Cost?

Annual economic cost of US gun violence 'is $700 for every American' --- New investigation puts overall price tag for 33,000 gun deaths and 75,000 injuries each year at $229 billion

































as I keep stating: I could care less what you (and your "scorning" ilk) think... however, I certainly will highlight your plaintive wails, your overt and pointed insults, your petulant and juvenile trolling, your purposeful confrontational posts and your woeful inability to post anything of substance and/or anything in relation to the subject matter at hand. You're a lightweight lapdog, nothing more, nothing less! :mrgreen:
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Including suicides in gun deaths is a red herring. Nice colorful graphs though. Too bad you don't understand them.
 
waldo

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taxslave said:
Including suicides in gun deaths is a red herring. Nice colorful graphs though. Too bad you don't understand them.
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what an obliging useful tool you are to repeat quote my entire post! And how "taxi" of you to suggest I don't understand the graphs... c'mon, you're taxi... the guy with the legendary graph phobia! :mrgreen: (and nice gunner's talking point on suicide!)

DaSleeper said:
Especially with Weirdo who does his damn best to be missed when he's not here
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sure lapping, lapper, lapdog, "DuhSleeper"! See... see just how easy it is to emulate your posts? :mrgreen:
 
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