Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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Don't be ridiculous. Swords, spears, war axes, arbalests, misericordia, garrotes, maces, arrows, javelins, shurikens, poison darts, tomahawks, clubs, naphtha, ship rams, cannon, the list goes on and on and on. . .
So What You Are Saying That People Aren’t Responsible ? So Why Do They Get Charged With Murder , And Not The Gun ? Your Article Is Just Illogical Sh*t , Guns Don’t Get Up And Pull Their Triggers ! People Pick Up The Fukking Gun , Load It , Aim , And Pull The Trigger . Therefore , That Person Is Responsible For That Death , Not The Gun .
Can you give us a straight answer for just one or two posts?
You don't have a problem with a police officer with gun, but you have a problem with lawful citizens having guns. Come on and be truthful about the difference...
The difference certainly is not the handgun, and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with cars.
The difference - and I'll describe this in a general sense - the difference is your confidence in lawful citizens.
Am I correct so far? Please respond.
I don't think BB is quite ready to buy into that philosophy, but I think she may be switched over one thought at a time. One of the biggest mistakes was registering the guns more so than the criminals.
Good grief, the comparison was between car crashes and guns Now which of the items you mention fall into that category and all told have they killed anywhere near the number of people killed world wide by guns in a single year in the past 10 years!!
The definitive answer is that one of the oldest weapons is responsible for taking the most lives. Guns and bombs are such recent innovations in the time scale of human history that they could never compete with the humble bow and arrow, which has been around since Neolithic times and on every continent except Australia. Only the atlatyl (a lever operated spear) is older than the bow and was almost completely replaced by it more than 10,000 yeas ago. All the great empires employed bows in warfare: the Mongols, Phonecians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and even Medieval Britain.What weapon has killed the most people in history
Irrelevant. You stated that the gun was the only device made exclusively for killing living things. I simply demonstrated how wrong you were.
Ahh You can't get away with that. In the short term, I hardly think bow and arrow deaths even come close to guns in the past 100 years. Why do we consider ourselves civilized when everyone needs to be armed to survive or for protection against our own species ?? I am sorry but cave men or Mongols do not qualify as lawful citizens.
Oh now. why & how do the guns from lawful citizens get into the hands of criminals, nutballs, and mental cases & kids in the US and every so often in Canada?? Here the police are so paranoid about those guns lawful citizens have they are afraid to even stop speeders without having their hands on their guns. One cannot avoid seeing the many people shot because the police feel threatened every time they try to do their jobs. Kids waving toy guns, an unarmed person taking their hand out of their pocket too fast, or making suspicious moves because they are nervous. Try very hard not to off a driver accidently here, you do not know if he has had a rotten day and a loaded gun handy.
I am sure you have all seen the riots here because of those type of shootings. Canada has escaped this so far. Our laws are working reasonably well. I do not want to see it happening in Canada.
Gabby Gifford and her astronaut husband are very vocal about gun reform here in the US. She is the rep who got shot in the face, & not sure if it was 12 who were killed or just injured during a speech she was making ......I guess the guy didn't like the speech.
Not irrevelant, you took it out of context. Oh and one other thing, the cigarette companies finally lost big time in all the law suits brought against them. I wouldn't count too strongly about gun manufacturers getting off either. Make take three or more tries but it will happen.
She probably won't, but I can fill in the stuff that most fairly sane anti-gunners use.
The first answer is accidental deaths, suicides, and the fact that someone who has thus far been a lawful citizen cannot be presumed to remain so. Accidental gun deaths and suicides in the United States exceed homicides by a factor of two. And since most homicides are committed by people known to the victims, which indicates that the homicides were previously-lawful citizens who "snapped." Ergo, the large majority of gun deaths are caused by lawful citizens, so the issue is the guns, not the motivation of the wielders.
You may argue that people can commit suicides, accidents, and homicides with other weapons. The answer is that it's a whole lot harder with other weapons, hence eliminating guns would reduce deaths.
Essentially. The anti-gunner position is that guns are too dangerous and powerful to be in the hands of anyone but trained professionals.
The reason I can make these arguments is that I actually agree with them, at least the reasoning. I just come down as pro-gun for two reasons. . .
1. I believe in freedom, even when it costs lives. I think other measures are more effective at reducing loss of life than banning instrumentalities.
2. Nobody has ever produced a plan that would get rid of the quarter of a billion guns already sloshing around the U.S., or explained how they will keep more from getting in. That's kinda the old "if he's got one, I want one too" argument.
Bloody right. I have found in the US, law is not in the hands of law enforcement but in the hands of those who have managed to circumvent the laws by buying or stealing guns from those able to buy them legally. There are gun shop everywhere, but even lawful citizens boast about having guns they have not acquired legally. This I know from several some "law-abiding" citizens who have guns gotten from sources off the radar. And NO I would not even think of reporting any of them. I value MY life too much.
Add that to seemingly quiet, introverted mental patients, bullied students and road rage and you have a recipe for exactly what we have here.......the highest gun violence within a "civilized" country period. Don't bother to quote faulty stats either dating from 2010 and before, because no matter what source you quote, IT IS NOT accurate. The NRA saw to that, by getting funding cut for compulsory reporting of gun wounds or deaths.
When I am told gun violence is down, I simply turn on the news and I know, just as everyone with the least grasp of math, knows it is so high as to be off the chart. Just today, 4 armed men broke into a home, pistol whipped the owner, raped his wife and made off with anything of value. How does a home owner with a single gun work with that!!
Do I need to quote the rest of the news and multiply by 50 the number of gun incidences in one day?? Just add that to all the school, store or other armed incidences that only make the local news, for fear of driving all the other nutcases to a repeat performance??
Personally, I enjoy my neighbours here, the weather but I do recognize how much they are manipulated by those who prefer the status quo. I keep my head down and am extremely careful where I park, where I go after dark, know a few moves that "may" protect me, have a car that locks when I am in it, do not take money out of an ATM unless it is in daylight or a well light area with lots of people around. I look around very carefully when going to the parking lots and keep aware of my surroundings. Do I do this in Canada, sometimes if I am in a dark area of a place I am not familiar with.
I lived for 4 to 5 years with two Daytona police persons for neighbours and from their perspectives, I truly understand why they quit law enforcement. I used to hear one of them muttering at the dog in the back yard about hating the crap they dealt with every day.
It is down. Way down. As far as your attempt to portray an extreme example as typical, let me turn that one back on you. When you can demonstrate a way to remove every single legal and illegal gun from society, I am 100% on your side. But it must be every single gun. Nothing less will have any effect at all.
When have the anti's shown such common sense?
The standard response is.....if it saves just one person... and they proceed to show a picture of a dead child or tell you some anecdote about a friends cousin or uncle who either commited suicide or accidently shot someone...
Hell... I've been shot at, mistakenly for game, as I posted in another thread, and the only thing I'm in favor of is strict common sense testing before issuing a firearm permit, hunting license or carry permit, which they mostly do nowadays.....at least in Canada.....
The standard response is.....if it saves just one person... and they proceed to show a picture of a dead child or tell you some anecdote about a friends cousin or uncle who either commited suicide or accidently shot someone...
Hell... I've been shot at, mistakenly for game, as I posted in another thread, and the only thing I'm in favor of is strict common sense testing before issuing a firearm permit, hunting license or carry permit, which they mostly do nowadays.....at least in Canada.....
Full stop! I've reread this statement ten times, and have reached the only rational conclusion.....you need to get a gun. Please do not waste another day.
Hi Bluebyrd- From skimming over your post, I think you are telling us that people are the problem, NOT guns! We hear all the time that crime is down, and yet we know from what we see on news and see on the street that, that is pure, unadulterated, utter bullsh*t. How much crime that the cops themselves commit actually gets reported? Even if guns were completely banned and destroyed, it wouldn't make one iota of difference to crime.............we'd still have to watch our backs fully expecting to get hit on the head with a rock. But then again it has a lot to do with the system, like murderers going to jail for 4 years. Oh yeah, it's not called murder, it's called negligent death!
NO, NO and NO................REPORTED crime is down!
Wrong......The major newspapers only report crimes committed with guns...the news of guns saving lives are hidden in local news only.
Much like these stories....
1. Pennsylvania state Reps. Marty Flynn and Ryan Bizzarro were robbed at gunpoint outside the capitol building. Flynn, a former prison guard who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon, pulled his gun and fired when the 15-year-old robber fired his gun. Although no one was hit, Flynn credited the fact that he had a gun with saving his life and Bizzarro’s.
2. On Oct. 5, 2014, a man who ignored Texas’ laws saying concealed weapons can’t be carried into bars, shot and killed two of four armed robbers attempting to rob E.J.’s Bar near Houston. Although many are hailing the patron as a hero, he disappeared after the shooting, probably, Concealed Nation said, because he would face felony charges for taking his gun into the bar.
3. Craig Everette, 23, a combat veteran and purple heart recipient, saved his aunt and her boyfriend in September when his aunt’s estranged husband came to their Pennsylvania house and started shooting. Everette had been inside, but when the husband showed up, he slipped outside, armed himself and came back, shooting the man to death.
4. In July, a psychiatrist pulled a gun and shot and wounded an armed patient who killed a caseworker. The doctor, who wasn’t named, apparently had ignored the hospital policy against anyone but on-duty law enforcement carrying guns.
5. A woman’s adult son shot and injured his mother’s boyfriend, Tony Hardin, in Tennessee, after Hardin allegedly fought with the woman and chased her with a hammer, threatening to kill her. Hardin faces charges.
6. A father shot two armed robbers who were using his 17-year-old daughter as a human shield, killing one and critically wounding the other. The girl had gone to her car to get something when the two men approached her, pulled guns and told her to go inside the house. The girl’s father and mother saw the incident, both picked up guns and confronted the men, shooting them.
7. In May, a 51-year-old grandmother who was approached by two men in a threatening manner went to pull her gun, for which she had a concealed carry permit, when one of the men opened fire, shooting her three times. After being shot in the side and the hand, the woman pulled her gun and shot at the men. They were arrested later when they sought treatment at a hospital for their wounds.
8. An apartment manager sitting in her car while talking with a tenant shot the tenant's husband several times, killing him, after he began stabbing through the window during the argument.
9. A woman being dragged across a Texas parking lot as she held onto her purse in an apparent mugging attempt was saved when a nearby stranger, who was carrying a concealed weapon, joined the situation and held the suspects, a man and a woman, at gunpoint until police arrived.
10. A Detroit retired nurse pulled her gun and stopped a group of people from beating a man to death in April. The man being attacked had reportedly hit a 10-year-old boy with his car, and he got out to check on the child when a group of men attacked him.
11. An 11-year-old girl shot and killed a cougar that was tracking her brother as he walked toward their house in Twisp, Washington. Her 9-year-old brother had killed a cougar near their home earlier in the month.
12. A homeowner in San Antonio, Texas, was returning to his home and heard people inside. He pulled a gun and confronted three burglars, shooting two of them and holding the third in custody until police came.
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This is hilarious.
In reality, there are 103 countries with worse violence than the USA......a lot of them with worse gun violence. In fact, the country with the highest murder rate (Honduras) has 20 times the rate of the USA.
Brazil, with the seventh largest economy on earth, has a murder rate fully five times that of the USA, most of it done with guns.
Russia, the eighth largest economy on earth, has a murder rate almost twice that of the USA.
Get your facts straight
BULLSHYTE
The FBI publishes crime stats, including murder stats by weapon, every year.
FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
Get your facts straight.
"The rate of non-fatal violent gun crime victimization dropped 75% in the past 20 years; The gun homicide rate dropped 49% in the same period, according to numbers Pew researchers obtained from the Bureau of Justice Statistics and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
Study: Despite drop in gun crime, 56% think it's worse
Get your facts straight.
In the USA, as in Canada, violent crime rates are the lowest they have been since the early 1960s.