N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death

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Cap, it seems to some that if I should happen tomorrow, to cross the center line and hit a transport truck head on and die in the process, I should be absolved of all blame for the accident since I died, and the transport driver should get all the blame and loose his licence because he couldn't avoid the collision.

What if it was the transport truck that came in your lane and you died. Would you be responsible for not getting out of its way?
 

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NYPD Launches Internal Affairs Probe Into Eric Garner Choke Hold Officer - ABC News

The New York City Police Department has launched an internal investigation into the choke hold death of Eric Garner at the hands of a police officer, one day after a grand jury announced that they would not be indicting the officer on criminal charges.

The officer involved in the controversial incident, Daniel Pantaleo, may now be interviewed by internal affairs officers, but the other officers who were on the scene may come first as they are scheduled to be interviewed on Friday, police sources told ABC News today.

If the internal affairs investigators recommend a punishment, a department judge will be the one to decide if it is enacted.

The NYPD investigation is the second process that Pantaleo is going through, and he is also the subject of a federal civil rights investigation and can expect a civil wrongful death lawsuit from Garner's relatives.
 

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I recall you stating that the Officers were provided immunity for their testimony.
Now I may be a tad off on this but, to offer all involved immunity is well odd to say the least.

yeah I read that in one of the early stories (can't remember the source, daily news, nyt or ny post)...anyway, they be immune so let's hear from 'em.
 

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In this thread...the one that died was doing something illegal....now quit fudging the story :wink:

And the cop was, yeah he called it a take down move. A choke hold can do that.
Then after he stops breathing they stand around and made the deliberate decision not to provide First Aid. More negligence by the Officers involved.
 

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And the cop was, yeah he called it a take down move. A choke hold can do that.
Then after he stops breathing they stand around and made the deliberate decision not to provide First Aid. More negligence by the Officers involved.
Negligence? yes....Against dept. policy? yes....bad cigarette Law? yes....what the officer did illegal?.... No!
 

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for me, from my view point their hiring practices are questionable at best...IF a cop can not successfully deal with this type of situation, then a change of career is a must...this type of power demands a certain personality type they must be capable of fast level assessment and appropriate response.

Hiring standards have been in the toilet for years. Crime has been on the decline and governments have turned to revenue generation as the main responsibility of officers.
 

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You don't need my permission. Perhaps you should post them or admit you were lying.

Yes I and other Members do. I would not post PM's from another Board, you already know that.

Slim, this was the question.
Your PM's. Are you giving me and all other Members permission to post your PM's?
 

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Not with me.
Now about your PMs for this Board - put up or sleaze off.

We haven't dealt with the PMs from the other board. You have permission to post them. Do it. For somebody that expects others to "put up or sleaze off" you sure do a lot of talking without any backup.

You were mighty upset last night.

You always get a little confused when you've been drinking excessively. You really should cut back.
 

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In this thread...the one that died was doing something illegal....now quit fudging the story :wink:

I have no dispute that he should have been arrested. I just believe the force used by the officers was inappropriate and they should face the music for their actions. Usually death sentences are not issued by the arresting officer. We have judges and juries for that.
 

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death for not complying when your actions are zero threat to life and limb of the cop, that is a terribly high price to ask the victim to assume.

Death was the consequence... And exactly who are you to determine what the risk to the cop was?

It's really easy to sit on the sidelines and judge, however, the GJ have determined otherwise


he is dead...DEAD it doesn't matter how much blame you heap upon him, he is dead...what you are saying is....too bad so sad, and then you want everyone else to jump on board...well, I don't

That's right, he's still dead and that death is still a consequence of multiple poor decisions.

.. That brings us right back to the original point I am trying to make... Responsibility in this is shared between multiple parties including Garner himself

the cop's actions are clearly against everything he has been instructed to do....

.. As were Garner's actions in breaking a silly law in addition to resisting arrest

hope your boss is that understanding when you willfully screw up and your professional behavior breaks company rules

I am the boss... And when I fukk up, it costs me directly... I am solely responsible and bear the consequences fully

so what...lack of cooperation should in no way encourage behaviour from a person who is in control and the dominant position which is clearly against the rules.. like it or not, there are rules to follow in every job and the cop did not...

So what?.. Really?

Garner made multiple bad decisions (read: illegal) and your only observation is that he was victimized?

Get over it already... Had Garner's decisions been different, this never would have happened.

Like DaS mentioned, it's like punishing a truck driver for me swerving into a head-on collision with the truck

the cop made a bad decision, it resulted in the death of another human being...
True... And the cop is still not the only party that made a bad decision. The cop reacted to the actions of Garner

not acceptable

Don't fret, between the Internal Affairs of the police dept, the Grand Jury, the State of NY and the Federal Government, they will railroad the cop despite the absolution from the very body (GJ) that was set up as the stop-gap on this.
 

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Death was the consequence... And exactly who are you to determine what the risk to the cop was?

It's really easy to sit on the sidelines and judge, however, the GJ have determined otherwise




That's right, he's still dead and that death is still a consequence of multiple poor decisions.

.. That brings us right back to the original point I am trying to make... Responsibility in this is shared between multiple parties including Garner himself



.. As were Garner's actions in breaking a silly law in addition to resisting arrest



I am the boss... And when I fukk up, it costs me directly... I am solely responsible and bear the consequences fully



So what?.. Really?

Garner made multiple bad decisions (read: illegal) and your only observation is that he was victimized?

Get over it already... Had Garner's decisions been different, this never would have happened.

Like DaS mentioned, it's like punishing a truck driver for me swerving into a head-on collision with the truck

the cop made a bad decision, it resulted in the death of another human being...
True... And the cop is still not the only party that made a bad decision. The cop reacted to the actions of Garner



Don't fret, between the Internal Affairs of the police dept, the Grand Jury, the State of NY and the Federal Government, they will railroad the cop despite the absolution from the very body (GJ) that was set up as the stop-gap on this.


So I guess what it all boils down to is those of us who have made multiple mistakes in our life should all be dead by rights!
 

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The best way to avoid dieing from being arrested is don't do anything to get arrested especially if your are too fat to breath when taken to the ground for resisting arrest.
 

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The best way to avoid dieing from being arrested is don't do anything to get arrested especially if your are too fat to breath when taken to the ground for resisting arrest.


Well there is something to be said for not putting yourself in a vulnerable position!:)
 

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Some of the comments in this thread are what usually happens when one reads the ending by Sharpton before reading the book from the beginning....also skipping details in the story helps a lot....