N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death

captain morgan

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The grand jury did not absolve the cop of all murder charges. That's not what a grand jury does. And besides, even if they did, grand juries (or juries) are not infallible, as evidenced by this very case.

What JLM said.

On that note, the queston you bring up is based on limited info and your entirely subjectively opinion... Exactly what makes your (or my) opinion of such force to trump the Grand Jury?

How do you know that?

From what I can gather about the subject, Grand Juries don't determine innocence or guilt, but rather if the case should go to trial.
 

personal touch

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"stomping on their windpipe"

bitch please. :lol:

let us remember this guy was out on bail for bootlegging smokes...oh and...

Garner had been previously arrested and was out on bail for selling untaxed cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession, and false personation. Garner had a criminal record that includes more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, grand larceny. An official said the charges include multiple incidents in which he was arrested for selling unlicensed cigarettes.[23][24][25]

that doesn't excuse the buckaroo rogue cop and his questionable 'chokehold' while his black female police sergeant supervisor on scene just stood around but again, if the big boy hadda gone downtown, he'd still be alive...unless he had his heart attack coming to him anyway, who friggin' knows.
Dear Locutos,
o.k.,would you feel better if i described the situation as" the officer gently placing his body weight upon the victim"or may i say,multiple Officers placed their body weight upon the victim"?,please forgive me Locutos as i think i was mixing up cases of incidences of police brutality,and besides i am compulsivly writing a narrative,it shouldn't be taken serious,i don't really think,i just write.What i write should not be taken seriously.

30 arrests means nothing in my world,I have some interesting stats on multiple arrests if you are interested i could give you a lesson on multiple charges particularly in small communities and more so if the fines fill the money banks,please let me know if you would like the information,i understand the information does not excite people like it excites me.
and who says all this stuff about the victim, which newspapers are you reading Locutos,does the list of offences determine the response of the law,of course it does to a certain point, this could be dangerous for all involved,everyone loses when these attitudes are fixed. if we as a society took this attitude of determining response by peoples ill behaviours the social network would diminish to troubling times,peoplein positions of trust would rationale and design their responses as being o.k,every work place has expectations of fair response.
Locutus is it possible we,as in a society as a whole, could place this mind thought over to other ethical ideas, such as in lets say people with mental illness, who have a list of offenses should be responded to in a different manner,we could make up the response by the person having 30 offences. how about seniors who are ill and have commited some bad deeds in their lives,should we deliver different care.We can call it the" designer response" .Here's one Locutus for thought ,how about fat people in health care?how should we respond?i am a big believer the delivery of response should be tempered with good judgement and certainly not prejustices of ideaologies,bad judgement was excersised in New York.
Another thing Locutus i am curious about,where did you learn to call women,or address women as "Bitch",I bet you learnt this talk from dad,this is usually the case of men of your age.Possibly you were drinking?
this too is also strange in my world,i could not imagine a man talking to a woman like that in my world,it is a strange thing,but i know it happens all the time.
once again my apologies
 

Locutus

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Dear Locutos,
o.k.,would you feel better if i described the situation as" the officer gently placing his body weight upon the victim"or may i say,multiple Officers placed their body weight upon the victim"?,please forgive me Locutos as i think i was mixing up cases of incidences of police brutality,and besides i am compulsivly writing a narrative,it shouldn't be taken serious,i don't really think,i just write.What i write should not be taken seriously.

Dear personal touch,

that sort of inflammatory (mike brown was shot in the back, executed while the cop stood over him stuff) hyperbole, anxiousness, repetition, excitement and such is exactly what leads to to the sheep following the call of the civil unrest troll shepards in places like Ferguson. it stands out like a sore thumb especially when we know what is on the video.

30 arrests means nothing in my world,I have some interesting stats on multiple arrests if you are interested i could give you a lesson on multiple charges particularly in small communities and more so if the fines fill the money banks,please let me know if you would like the information,i understand the information does not excite people like it excites me.

no thanks, I've been arrested. I know the drill.


and who says all this stuff about the victim, which newspapers are you reading Locutos,does the list of offences determine the response of the law,of course it does to a certain point, this could be dangerous for all involved,everyone loses when these attitudes are fixed. if we as a society took this attitude of determining response by peoples ill behaviours the social network would diminish to troubling times,peoplein positions of trust would rationale and design their responses as being o.k,every work place has expectations of fair response.

Well, these three anyway (which are linked in the wiki I posted earlier in this thread about this criminal)

New York City Police Officer Won’t Face Criminal Charges in Eric Garner Death - WSJ

Eric Garner Died After NYPD Put Him In A Chokehold, Slammed His Head On Ground During Arrest [VIDEO]

Misdemeanor cases over alleged untaxed cigarettes preceded fatal police incident with Eric Garner | SILive.com

Locutus is it possible we,as in a society as a whole, could place this mind thought over to other ethical ideas, such as in lets say people with mental illness, who have a list of offenses should be responded to in a different manner,we could make up the response by the person having 30 offences. how about seniors who are ill and have commited some bad deeds in their lives,should we deliver different care.We can call it the" designer response"

we could make up a lot of things but very little about the mike garner incident


.Here's one Locutus for thought ,how about fat people in health care?how should we respond?i am a big believer the delivery of response should be tempered with good judgement and certainly not prejustices of ideaologies,bad judgement was excersised in New York.

yeah, yeah fat people this and fat people that...anyway...as we know, this fat person had various health problems that contributed to his death since he didn't submit to arrest and the buckaroo rogue cop squeezed hard on his neck while laying his weight down upon his right side and back.

Another thing Locutus i am curious about,where did you learn to call women,or address women as "Bitch",I bet you learnt this talk from dad,this is usually the case of men of your age.Possibly you were drinking?

Well, now that you brought my family into the discussion, :lol: , let's deal with that first and bitch second.

you know nothing about my dad, my family life, upbringing, character, morals or even me but I'll give you some facts now though:

I'll simply tell you that he did not teach me to say bitch although he swore as much as the next male. we'd catch sh!t though or get our mouths washed out with ivory soap if caught saying bad words back then eh, remember?

I'm 55...my dad has been sober since 1962, me, 1986.

I did stuff when I was drinking that would make you wince, cry, run away, laugh, scream, call the authorities and shut your computer off if you're interested in hearing about the exploits of an alcoholic. I have shared those stories with thousands of people at countless meetings and conferences over the years but I just don't have the time or the interest here now.

this too is also strange in my world,i could not imagine a man talking to a woman like that in my world,it is a strange thing,but i know it happens all the time.

I've never called a woman a 'bitch' to her face. not likely ever going to happen either. I never called you a bitch in text. Hell, I never even knew you were female for chrissakes. :lol:

now, as for my earlier retort to your overly dramatic post about stomping on mikey's throat:


do you know what a meme is? if not, click here

'bitch please' is a famous internet meme based on a song. see here and here

it's a synonym, if you will, for 'what the hell' did you just say? or 'are you serious'? or 'you've got to be sh!tting me man', or, or, or...

or even WTF did I just read? or 'are you fukking kidding me? or dafuq, or not sure if serious and on and on and on she goes.

In your case though, it was a combination of an eyeroll, mixed with a chuckle with a sprinkle of derision.

because, ya know, everyone in the WORLD knows that his throat wasn't stomped.

So your personalized 'bitch please' roughly translates to:

wow, you can't really be serious about what you just tried to lay on the forum with your bullsh!t drama are you?

so no, I never called YOU a bitch (although you could possibly be one, I don't know)


once again my apologies

on a serious note, since it seems you were truly ignorant about 'bitch please', I'm sorry for using it in your case.

Now that you know what it means, have a nice day.
 

SLM

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Loc, I was getting primed to tackle the whole "bitch please" thing but, seeing as how I'm only just beginning coffee numero 2, I thought perhaps it might come across as if I was being, well, a bitch. And we wouldn't want that now, would we?

I would like to share though this handy dandy internet meme I found for the occasion because I feel it also addresses the fat issue.


Anyhow, bitches, do carry on carrying on. :D
 

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Sure is a pain in the azz when someone's inalienable right to break the laws of the land are violated.... Even worse, when they don't respond to or obey the commands of the authorities and there is a consequence.

Talk about rubbing salt in the wound, eh?
Yep, anybody who violates, or is supected of violating, the law in the slightest degree, or anyone who fails to instantly obey any order the cops give or don't give deserves to die.

Near as I can tell, after it's all done and I've waded through your logical fallacies, lame sarcasm, and deliberate crossing and conflating of issues, that's your actual position.
 

captain morgan

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Yep, anybody who violates, or is supected of violating, the law in the slightest degree, or anyone who fails to instantly obey any order the cops give or don't give deserves to die.



Near as I can tell, after it's all done and I've waded through your logical fallacies, lame sarcasm, and deliberate crossing and conflating of issues, that's your actual position.


Bloody hilarious..... Physician, heal thyself
 

JLM

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Well sorry for not being Politically Correct.. geeeez.



I hate political correctness, it's so phony. If you have something on your mind spit it out! It always makes me think of the restauranteer, self monikered "Hunky Bill" and the "holier than thou little old ladies" who thought the moniker should be outlawed!:)
 

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Yet he's a Republican.


Yes he was. A Liberal from Brookline Massachusetts... one of the prevalent liberal Nanny cities in the state.


A Democrat all his life prior to 2001... then a Republican for 6 years... then left the Republican Party in 2007.

Correction - CONservative.

I know NYC politics a lot better than you do. Do yourself a favor and just stick to Massachusetts politics such as that of Endicott Peabody or some one else like Mayor Walsh.


You don't even know your own state!
 

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Just did a tiny bit of research, and it appears that it is you that needs stick to your local politics. Bloomberg ran under the Republican banner for the sole purpose of ensuring he would win the Mayors seat since they were just coming out of 9/11 and Giuliani's term.




"Given his lifelong Democrat affiliation prior to seeking the GOP nomination, Bloomberg was seen as a liberal Republican before his 2007 Independent registration and has stated his belief in gun control, a woman's right to choose abortion and same-sex marriages. In 2012 these sticking points have seen him back away from endorsing Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, having stayed tight-lipped on any preference in 2008."


City Mayors: Michael Bloomberg - Mayor of New York City





Your own site calls him a "fiscal conservative" and if you troubled yourself to read his anti-liberal rants about Harvard and other colleges you would view it differently:



Bloomberg, at Harvard, blasts Ivy League ‘liberals’ for ‘trying to repress conservative ideas’ - The Washington Post



Obviously you know less about the subject than does Eagle.
 

JLM

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How do I know what? That grand juries are not infallible or they didn't absolve the cop of murder?


Sorry Corduroy, I don't recall my train of thought. It certainly doesn't make sense to me as it appears! I'm wondering if dumb old me didn't connect it to the wrong post.:)